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« Reply #140 on: June 22, 2005, 10:26:24 AM »

<<Let the judicial process (as flawed as we think it may be) down there, do its job.>>

I have discussed the Aruban procedures with my roomie.  We have decided the Aruban way may be a good way, re: not giving out ANY information until they have an iron clad case.  Maybe we should do this in USA?  We are still trying to decide. It drives the media and public mad however.  At least they are not "trying the case in the media" as so often happens in the states.
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« Reply #141 on: June 22, 2005, 10:26:25 AM »

Joran seems to be gangster like in his actions, the beating of his chest and saying defiantly, "What do you want me to do?!" is what gang members do. The poses he takes in his photos are gangster like and his nickname.
Has there been any investigation into gang's on the island?
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« Reply #142 on: June 22, 2005, 10:26:26 AM »

What about the casino meeting that day?

Also we have conflicting reports if she went to CNC with that group or a little bit later with a smaller group or alone.
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« Reply #143 on: June 22, 2005, 10:27:23 AM »

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I have a new timeline question, in all the articles about MBHS accounts, it says they knew something was wrong when Natalee wasn't around to catch the plane. I am not taking that literally but would take that to mean 10-11am Monday.

What was the earliest time anyone has said they looked for, or noticed she was missing? I am guessing here but if the kept late hours everynight it may have really been much later before she was "missing"

What I am getting is the window of opportunity would grow. 1-1:30am left CNC. It can be debated forever about the 3's involvement, but suffice to say there is at a min. 3 hours where no one would have known to "see" anything and possibly as much as 8+ hours.


I wondered the same thing.. Didn't her roomies notice that she wasn't gathering her stuff to go to the airport?  I found this a bit odd...Sorry if this was already discussed and I missed it.  
PS..I updated the other thread with the link to the beginning...thanks for your help Smile
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« Reply #144 on: June 22, 2005, 10:27:53 AM »

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good morning everyone, professor and iquitos, im now under the impression that she is alive... just not in aruba.. dont ask my why.. just a feeling....


Me too Rob- til proven otherwise....my only thing is..if she was alive, these boys have to realize how much trouble they are in, so if she was alive, wouldnt they want to just give in and let it out, cooperate now with authorities and free yourself from something worse........On the other hand i see them thinking well if i can hold out for bit longer, they will haev to let us go with no evidence, aand they get out of it without any consequences.


sorry my puter crapped out and then i could nt get back in...i just looked at ms twtty last night and she had the look of someone who had inside info...im not sure these idiots actually have anything to do with it... but again, i dont know all the real facts....jorans and the brothers have never struck me as smart enough to pull off the perfect crime.. career professional criminals are often unable to pull off the perfect crime...



AGREED!  I think for the most part, over the past few weeks, we have somewhat eben on the same page with our comments lol..good to haev someone to back me up a lil on here! Sometimes it turns into a "cat fight" hahhaha.... Its like a crime to have an opinion sometimes  Laughing
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« Reply #145 on: June 22, 2005, 10:28:20 AM »

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and th mother slipped with some more infomation about joran saying that he left nat on the beach hysterical/sleeping so now that is actually confirmed...so the story yet, changes again, so where do they go from there ya know..........


I thought that Anita VDS wasn't allowed to discuss the case with Joran, when she visited him. So, this is clear proof that she violated that rule. I wonder if he discussions with Joran in prison were monitored. If not, then this is an opportunity to cook up a believable story and to pass information along to him on the progress of the investigation.


Joran could have told Anita that prior to him being detained.


Which would make her in a lil more deep than otherwise thought, because tat would mean that she was witholding information in the beginning when he was using the Holidat Inn story....again just my opinion


So we have an either-or situation. Either Joran told her that prior to his arrest and prior to the time he changed his story (in which case she was withholding information), or he told her that after he was arrested and after he changed his story (in which case she violated the rule that she wasn't supposed to talk about the case.) Either way, the lady is covering for her son.


i have not read all the way down and sorry if this has been covered, but in the interview last night, didn't greta mention the reason papa vds was detained was because he was caught discussing info about the case with his son?  so, did the aruban authorities  not moniter convos b/t mom and son?  it sounds like the convos b/t dad & son were monitored, i believe she used the words "wire tapped".
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« Reply #146 on: June 22, 2005, 10:28:58 AM »

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Morning all.. Quick question.. sorry if it was asked already.. I too watched Greta last night...the 2 girls that were on with her from MBHS.. was one of them DASH?? If so.. which one??  Nice girls they were!  Thanks!
Oh..I'll buy beer too...lol


Neither were dash, and some have found that their accounts do not match dash or previously held "truths"


Thank you Absolut..!!


no problem the questions i can handle. It's the how,what, when, where why this post that post, that I am trying to stay calm over. I need a drink already.


I missed these interviews last night. If it isnt a big ordeal - what were the discrepancies between these two girls and what was previously "known"? if its a big deal, forget it, Im sure someone will go over it during the course of the day. Thanks.
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« Reply #147 on: June 22, 2005, 10:29:19 AM »

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Joran seems to be gangster like in his actions, the beating of his chest and saying defiantly, "What do you want me to do?!" is what gang members do. The poses he takes in his photos are gangster like and his nickname.
Has there been any investigation into gang's on the island?


What's Joren's nickname?
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« Reply #148 on: June 22, 2005, 10:29:21 AM »

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and th mother slipped with some more infomation about joran saying that he left nat on the beach hysterical/sleeping so now that is actually confirmed...so the story yet, changes again, so where do they go from there ya know..........


I thought that Anita VDS wasn't allowed to discuss the case with Joran, when she visited him. So, this is clear proof that she violated that rule. I wonder if he discussions with Joran in prison were monitored. If not, then this is an opportunity to cook up a believable story and to pass information along to him on the progress of the investigation.


Joran could have told Anita that prior to him being detained.


Which would make her in a lil more deep than otherwise thought, because tat would mean that she was witholding information in the beginning when he was using the Holidat Inn story....again just my opinion


So we have an either-or situation. Either Joran told her that prior to his arrest and prior to the time he changed his story (in which case she was withholding information), or he told her that after he was arrested and after he changed his story (in which case she violated the rule that she wasn't supposed to talk about the case.) Either way, the lady is covering for her son.


i have not read all the way down and sorry if this has been covered, but in the interview last night, didn't greta mention the reason papa vds was detained was because he was caught discussing info about the case with his son?  so, did the aruban authorities  not moniter convos b/t mom and son?  it sounds like the convos b/t dad & son were monitored, i believe she used the words "wire tapped".


yes that is true, but someone had corrected me in saying htat i guess the converstaion was had before jorans arrest adn they were just being tapped
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« Reply #149 on: June 22, 2005, 10:30:09 AM »

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good morning everyone, professor and iquitos, im now under the impression that she is alive... just not in aruba.. dont ask my why.. just a feeling....


Me too Rob- til proven otherwise....my only thing is..if she was alive, these boys have to realize how much trouble they are in, so if she was alive, wouldnt they want to just give in and let it out, cooperate now with authorities and free yourself from something worse........On the other hand i see them thinking well if i can hold out for bit longer, they will haev to let us go with no evidence, aand they get out of it without any consequences.


sorry my puter crapped out and then i could nt get back in...i just looked at ms twtty last night and she had the look of someone who had inside info...im not sure these idiots actually have anything to do with it... but again, i dont know all the real facts....jorans and the brothers have never struck me as smart enough to pull off the perfect crime.. career professional criminals are often unable to pull off the perfect crime...



AGREED!  I think for the most part, over the past few weeks, we have somewhat eben on the same page with our comments lol..good to haev someone to back me up a lil on here! Sometimes it turns into a "cat fight" hahhaha.... Its like a crime to have an opinion sometimes  Laughing


noted, kel........
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« Reply #150 on: June 22, 2005, 10:30:13 AM »

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good morning everyone, professor and iquitos, im now under the impression that she is alive... just not in aruba.. dont ask my why.. just a feeling....


Me too Rob- til proven otherwise....my only thing is..if she was alive, these boys have to realize how much trouble they are in, so if she was alive, wouldnt they want to just give in and let it out, cooperate now with authorities and free yourself from something worse........On the other hand i see them thinking well if i can hold out for bit longer, they will haev to let us go with no evidence, aand they get out of it without any consequences.


sorry my puter crapped out and then i could nt get back in...i just looked at ms twtty last night and she had the look of someone who had inside info...im not sure these idiots actually have anything to do with it... but again, i dont know all the real facts....jorans and the brothers have never struck me as smart enough to pull off the perfect crime.. career professional criminals are often unable to pull off the perfect crime...

I know a little while ago on FOX.. before the President came on.. a reporter was on saying that NH mother said it was a productive meeting.. and thats all she would say.. I agree Rob..maybe she finally has some info.. unless they only told her things they thought she would want to hear to pacify her.. Just my opinion.
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« Reply #151 on: June 22, 2005, 10:30:43 AM »

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I believe it is fair to say all of the mothers whose children are involved in this case, whether the suspects mothers, or Natalees mother are suffering.


I'm sure the mothers are suffering but mom's don't have a lock on caring for their children.  Us dads spend PLENTY of time loving and worrying about our kids too!   Smile
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« Reply #152 on: June 22, 2005, 10:31:17 AM »

May I be bold and suggest that that "email" be given its own thread?  I personally think it is just another Internet hysteria hoax kind of thing that everyone is going to just continue rehashing.

I really liked the GVS show, one of the best hours of investigative reporting I have ever seen with regard to these types of 'crime investigation features'.

 I think the VDS parents seemed perfectly normal and behaved EXACTLY like you would hope nice parents of a suspect would behave.  I thought they were gracious and kind to a very scared mother.   I also thought that whole meeting, as reported by GVS , provided common sense, simple explanations for many things.  Like why father VDS was interrogated by police.
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« Reply #153 on: June 22, 2005, 10:31:26 AM »

Joran was unsupervised 17 yr old. His father was away working on his career. His mother could not control him and dismissed his bad behavior as boys will be boys. Both parents allowed him to drive, drink, gamble all illegal activities for a 17 yr old. Why was he never charged or fined for breaking these laws. And the Dad wants to be a judge!!! He also had his own apt he could come an go as he liked.
Who are they sorry for Joran or themselves as this will probably harm the father's career.
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« Reply #154 on: June 22, 2005, 10:32:26 AM »

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I have a new timeline question, in all the articles about MBHS accounts, it says they knew something was wrong when Natalee wasn't around to catch the plane. I am not taking that literally but would take that to mean 10-11am Monday.

What was the earliest time anyone has said they looked for, or noticed she was missing? I am guessing here but if the kept late hours everynight it may have really been much later before she was "missing"

What I am getting is the window of opportunity would grow. 1-1:30am left CNC. It can be debated forever about the 3's involvement, but suffice to say there is at a min. 3 hours where no one would have known to "see" anything and possibly as much as 8+ hours.


With regard to when the MBHS group first suspected something, I think it was around 8am or 9am when they all met in the lobby and her friends could not find her.  Things became frantic when the groups left for the airport and Natalee had still not shown up.
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« Reply #155 on: June 22, 2005, 10:32:30 AM »

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good morning everyone, professor and iquitos, im now under the impression that she is alive... just not in aruba.. dont ask my why.. just a feeling....


Me too Rob- til proven otherwise....my only thing is..if she was alive, these boys have to realize how much trouble they are in, so if she was alive, wouldnt they want to just give in and let it out, cooperate now with authorities and free yourself from something worse........On the other hand i see them thinking well if i can hold out for bit longer, they will haev to let us go with no evidence, aand they get out of it without any consequences.


i think that too - in a way, but why would these 4 guys "take the rap" for her if she did just take off?  it just does not make sense.
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« Reply #156 on: June 22, 2005, 10:32:34 AM »

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Did anyone else get kicked off the site and have a rediculous amount of trouble getting back on???????????? Ahhhhhhhhhh i was like nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Laughing


Yes.

Perhaps the new server has arrived?
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« Reply #157 on: June 22, 2005, 10:32:39 AM »

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Joran seems to be gangster like in his actions, the beating of his chest and saying defiantly, "What do you want me to do?!" is what gang members do. The poses he takes in his photos are gangster like and his nickname.
Has there been any investigation into gang's on the island?


What's Joren's nickname?


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« Reply #158 on: June 22, 2005, 10:33:13 AM »

ar least one fact was cleared up last night .. it was mama vd sloot in holland and not papa... i get the impression that mama vd sloot keeps joran in line and when she is gone... its party time.. and papa, does nt reallly care what joran does.... anyone else?
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« Reply #159 on: June 22, 2005, 10:33:29 AM »

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Morning all.. Quick question.. sorry if it was asked already.. I too watched Greta last night...the 2 girls that were on with her from MBHS.. was one of them DASH?? If so.. which one??  Nice girls they were!  Thanks!
Oh..I'll buy beer too...lol


Neither were dash, and some have found that their accounts do not match dash or previously held "truths"


Thank you Absolut..!!


no problem the questions i can handle. It's the how,what, when, where why this post that post, that I am trying to stay calm over. I need a drink already.


I missed these interviews last night. If it isnt a big ordeal - what were the discrepancies between these two girls and what was previously "known"? if its a big deal, forget it, Im sure someone will go over it during the course of the day. Thanks.


It was a previous held belief Natalee had met JVDS on a previous day in the casino in HI. It has also been believed that Natalee was at the Beach concert from roughly 7-11pm.

The MBHS on Greta last night said that she met JVDS on the 29th in the casino and that other accounts were false. They then saw JVDS and his friends at CNC later that night. This was the first time JVDS was placed at CNC with friends.
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