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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2005, 08:30:13 AM »

okay perhaps equusearch have the team in charge of liason with local authorities to plan how things will work and where they should look etc and the rest of the 17 man team, dogs, equipment will arrive on friday and hit the ground running?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/aruba_missing_teen
;_ylt=At6AWzhkL2mYK9jM1yCgNl_a_JYv;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

this url is so long it blows the margins - here's the relevant part of the article - Texas Group to Look for Ala. Teen in Aruba

paras 7 and 8

Upon arrival, the team planned to meet with Aruban authorities and
FBI officials to review past search routes and plot new areas, Huston said.

Aruban authorities accompanied by FBI observers have scoured the island on foot, in vehicles and using a helicopter with infrared equipment at night. Tourists and Aruban civilian volunteers also have helped, but none has turned up any trace of Holloway.
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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2005, 08:34:31 AM »

I think she finally put up the entire email and went to bed leaving the rest slack jawwed.  the first part appear to be carefully crafted.  the last part put up is just plain american email bable text that casts a bad light on what goes before.  I don't understand why this was thrown out just as the Greta thing reached its climax.  I would have to conclude that it is not authentic and believe any serious person putting it out would not be so coy about would be more open about its procedence.  And why would it be put out only here, it must also be swirling around the web in Aruba, an apparently well wired place?
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2005, 08:37:42 AM »

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Did wonderwoman post the rest of the email lastnight?
When I left lastnight she only posted half.
Please let me know I don't want to wade through 300 posts to find it



I think this link should take you there.  I found it for someone else last night. Smile   BTW, those were good points about the spelling and religion...

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=201&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=680
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« Reply #23 on: June 22, 2005, 08:39:19 AM »

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Meanwhile, Holloway's mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, told an Aruba television station that she had met by chance with the parents of 17-year-old Joran Van Der Sloot, one of four suspects in custody.
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Twitty said she met Van Der Sloot's mother, Anita, while handing out prayer cards and fliers on behalf of her daughter in the parents' neighborhood, and she was invited into the family's home.

Huh?  Greta said she took Beth to the VDS home  Question


yeah she was passing out prayer cards and she happened on this house while Greta was filming and it happened to be the van der sloot residence.  what perfidy
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« Reply #24 on: June 22, 2005, 08:39:32 AM »

Yesterday, it was "by chance" Greta and Beth went to the VDS home, it wasn't planned, it wasn't pre-arranged so "by chance" is a fair wording.

I'm sure they have had plenty of folks, media etc standing at their home and shouting for attention.
But when Beth identified herself, Mr VDS was quick to come over and immediately asked them to come in, Beth and Greta didn't have to ask, he opened the gate and invited them in. They were just asking to give him a prayer card.
Understandably he asked for no cameras etc...given the situation I would to.
While I would love to have heard the details, even seen the conversation  I understand why this should be private.  Sometimes I forget this isn't a Law&Order episode, real people, real emotions and a real case that can't be jeopardize by sharing every detail and conversation...But to be a fly on the walls! Smile
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« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2005, 08:44:11 AM »

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Quote from: "roxyluv"
Did wonderwoman post the rest of the email lastnight?
When I left lastnight she only posted half.
Please let me know I don't want to wade through 300 posts to find it



I think this link should take you there.  I found it for someone else last night. Smile   BTW, those were good points about the spelling and religion...

http://www.scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=201&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=680


Thanks but I couldn't wait and just went looking though 20 pages. I didn't think anbody would get back to me that quick Laughing
About the email, whether it's real or not. I'm starting to believe that these boys had nothing to do with this.
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« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2005, 08:44:13 AM »

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Did wonderwoman post the rest of the email lastnight?
When I left lastnight she only posted half.
Please let me know I don't want to wade through 300 posts to find it

Yes she did. I think its on page 36 or 37 on the last thread. Its in that general vicinity.
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« Reply #27 on: June 22, 2005, 08:44:28 AM »

here is the entire text of the purported email posted by wonder woman last night  its procedence and authenticity are unkown  there is one more follow up piece posted in the previous board

Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:34 pm    Post subject:   
dated 6/5/2005


How are you i hope you and your family is fine.(NAME DELETED) is better i tell you the truth , before it will be a shock for you later, but i think it will be a shock for you rightnow.
The missing girl natalee hollaway,I spoke to her , sunday she left with me , my brother and a friend from carlos n' charlies , it was my car like the news said she got in to, I am one of the persons of intrest , i am one the the students they've questioned and released as they claimed in the news .
Let see where to start i don't even know where to begin these last days where so crazy for me i'm very tired haven't slept good in days : The story starts sunday night when a friend of mine was playing poker at a local casino (in the holiday inn) after he won the poker at the fourth place he decided to get up and play some blackjack so he went to the blackjack table and there was natalee (they were a lil drunk ) so my friend started playing blackjack and he was winning quite good , so then natalee approached him and introduced herself and said to him'' your a lucky guy , can you help me win some of my money back i lost $ 360 , of my fathers money'' so my friend said ok , why not . so he started playing and he won 100 $ for her back and he said hey thats the best i can do for you because i doubt it i can win more money for you so its better i quit so she said ok but at least let me buy you a drink so they went to the bar (in the casino ). so they took a drink and started talking etc. about school, the vacation etc.etc.afterwards my friend had to go and she said that ''today is my last day i will be in carlos n' charlies will you be there'' and my friend said well i have school tomorrow i don't think so . well she begged him and he still said yes i'll be there.So that was in the casino i was not present , i was at work so my friend called me and said hey i met some girls in the casino and her friends and they want us to meet them in carlos tonight do you have to work tomorrow morning i said no , so he said pick me up later then i said ok. so i got off my shift at 10 pm and went home took a bath had to fix something and then me and my younger brother went to pick up my friend was around 12.10 am so i came to his home and was talked for like 15 min and then left to go to carlos (we all went out without or parents knew) so we arrived like 12.30 am in carlos (carlos is closing 1 pm ) and headed straight for the bar and bought 3 drinks my friend paid for them, so besides the bar there is a stage and people were dancing and there was natalee dancing too (thats the first time i saw her )and she was calling my friend to get on the stage and dance with her my friend laughed and refused so after the song was finished she came up to my friend and asked why he won't dance with her , i only heared that part because i was talking to someone else so i don't know what he responded(by then natalee was VERY drunk)so as i said i was talking to someone when i turned i had lost my brother , natalee and my friend. well they were announced that they were closing soon so i thought well maybe they' re waiting for me by the car its better i go there so i went to my car and nobody was there so i started playing music and was waiting on my brother and my friend.i waited for like 10 min and then i saw my brother stepping in the car and my friend who was with natalee. so i was surprised but anyways i started the engine and my brother was besides me and my friend and natalee were in the backseet so i started cruising in the area and asked my friend whats going on so natalee responded to me ''hey its no prob let us just drive around and have fun its my last night , she said you can drop me off later at holiday inn anyways right'' i said sure why not so as i was drove out of the carlos road and got on the mainroad there were natalees friends and she , pushed het head out of the window and screamed something i can't recall.so i was driving very slow to make a left to get in the next road and then one of natalees friend screamed for her to get out of the car , and she refused so then i stopped my car and i said natalee if your friends want you to go with them its better you go listen to them and go with them , she said no i will stay with you guys i will get a lift from you anways later, so she said bye to her friends and i drove away, so then we were just talking etc, in the car and then she said she wanted to see sharks ,it was by the lighthouse she saw them before that can we go , my friend said ok ,deepak lets go. so on my my to the lighthouse there was music playing and noone talking for a while when i looked in the backmirror my friend and natalee were kissing and touching (his hands etc was in her blouse but nothing nude or against natalees will ) so my brother siad just leave them for a while untill we get to the lighthouse, when i arrived at the lighthouse i said well here is the lighthouse they did not pay attention to me , so my brother said lets return (i did not stop anywhere not for a min only trafficlights) so after like 10 min my friend is telling me that natalee fell asleep i said you kidding just wake her up and tell ask her if its holiday inn for sure she is staying so my friend woke her up and confirmed with natalee she was staying at the holiday inn, so i drove to the lobby driveway of holiday inn and then we woke her up, she got out of the car and fell on the floor my friend said damn she fell and then rushed out of the same door natalee came out and picked her up immediately, after she stood up she pushed my friend and said leave me alone or something like that i can't recall , my friend offered to help het to her room she said no. she he stepped in the car and while i was driving away i saw natalee walking towards the lobby and a gentleman with a walkie talkie and black clothes approached her and i think they were talking and i had never seen natalee again sinds.(holiday inn has no cameras in the driveway or lobby) it was around 2.15 am .monday i came to work normally 4- 11 pm after work i called my friend i said whats up he said ok i'm at the raddison casino meet me there , i said ok so i went there we played poker , we had some drinks and chat and then we had enough and decided that this casino was booring lets go to whyndham hotel casino . so i drove to whyndham and as i was parking my friends dad called him and said the police is at his home with some family members its about the girl you guys went out with yesterday , so my friend said wait there i be there, so we rushed at my friends home and there was the police and nataless family and it was a nightmare sinds then. the police asked us if we knew this girl showed us a picture we said yes thats her , they said she was missing and eyewitness say she was the last seen with you guys . so they asked a few more questions and we said we don't understand we left her at holiday inn lobby drive way how could she dissapear and then natalees stepfather jumped and said ''yes thats because after she went with you assholes she lost'' and then my friends father jumped and said thats enough you can't talk to the kids like that this is not the us your out of you juristiction this is not the way i want you people out of my yard i know the law (my friends father is e judge) so afterwards another family member of natalee suggested to the police if we can id the security gard we said ok. we went there there was no suck security working there as we discribed. so then we were just standing in the lobby there were questions etc. asked by other members , and then me and my friend walked to the car natalees mom was sitting and we said mam you have to believe us we did not do anything with you daughter, she was crying and said i don't believe you 2 , i promise you i will make you life a living hell because of this . anwyas we said we were sorry again ans that we will help in any way possible.i went home 7 pm tuesday, i was then called 2 pm by the police for questioning i went gave a statement they said i was a witness no suspect the same went for my brother and my friend they were questionded and had to sign their statement also , the checked my car and i was clear to go , wednesday i was called again to show them how i drove the route that day ( i could refuse was my right i still decided to go , as did my brother and friend ) the drove us one by one and then we were free to go again.thursday morning my friend called me (he goes to aruba international school and his mother is a teacher there and he is a straight A student ) in panic and said there a re family members here at school and they are sharing flyers and the flyers said : GIRL KIDNAPPED ASK JORAN VANDER SLOOT (thats my friends name ) the principle asked them to leave and they did .so thats my part of the story yesterday and today it was quiet no treathen phoncalls what we got before and i won't mention the crazythings the newspapers etc. writes about us its to much to mention. at home my mom is losing it she is cryimg constantly , my dad bloodpressure got high also his hands are red , my friends home is a disaster also ,his mom is crying constantly also his dad is pretty cool he calmes us down and talks to us also not to worry , my brother is preety cool but on his face you see he is worried , my friend is pretty worried also. i'm pretty worried also , we have 2 lawyers one for my friend and one for me in case we get arrested and charched with something his dad can't defend hin he is a judge and he is too emotional attached .my friend has his graduation this thursday he has to go to the states in july he has a full scholarship. i had to go to vacation also end of this month.many politicians find we should be locked up rightnow.We heard a lot of false alarms that she was dead , she was seen with 2 guys , her hair is cut and is red now ,she was in a crackhouse etc, we were arrested and , my car is by the police we confessed to murder and rape, she went in a restaurant to buy food but none of those were true.So (name deleted) that was my part of the story what i said here is the same in my statement,people are saying they are bad guys lock them up , the family is going thru a lot righnow , but what they don't know how the other families feel and how they also have a reputation and carreers etc. because when this all is over they will still be talks that were the 3 guys that had something to do with the kidnap of natalee its a small island.they don't understand the pressure we are having also, if this girl turns up dead we have a problem we were the last seen with her . I lost a lot of friends who think we had to do something with this, many of my friends supported us also brought food etc. for us at home and know we are innocent, we are innocent also we promise i would NEVER hurt anyone in anyway, i would do every everything to help find her thats what we told eveyone also , i would take a bullet to save her and bring her back to her family if i had to so would my friend also.i would never never hurt anyone i'm a very happy and social person who likes to make friends with people and not hurting them


So (NAME DELETED) i will say goodbye now hope you believe me and i pray to god that they find natalee soon and find her well so that this nightmare ends for all of us and they we prove we had nothing to do with this, i hope you pray for all of us say hi to everyone there hope to hear from you soon and may god bless.........

bye bye

Deepak.

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« Reply #28 on: June 22, 2005, 08:44:47 AM »

"PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY"

While trying to reconcile some things I remembered the concept of plausible deniability. This is used by politicians (daily) and athletes (when asked about steroid use). I still think this was a structured event. The dutchguy and the brothers have a bunch of it. Maybe this concept can be used to help you if you get stuck.
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2005, 08:45:35 AM »

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I think she finally put up the entire email and went to bed leaving the rest slack jawwed.  the first part appear to be carefully crafted.  the last part put up is just plain american email bable text that casts a bad light on what goes before.  I don't understand why this was thrown out just as the Greta thing reached its climax.  I would have to conclude that it is not authentic and believe any serious person putting it out would not be so coy about would be more open about its procedence.  And why would it be put out only here, it must also be swirling around the web in Aruba, an apparently well wired place?


I don't think that it would be that difficult for any person who followed this case to create a letter...and add his/her own "details."  Being that there are so many untrue emails that get forwarded to people on any given day, I would assume that this is just another one of those.  Some kid is out there probably laughing his a** off at so many people devoting so much time and energy to something that isn't even legit.

For those who disagree with me, I apologize...don't berate me, it's my opinion.
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« Reply #30 on: June 22, 2005, 08:48:20 AM »

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I think she finally put up the entire email and went to bed leaving the rest slack jawwed.  the first part appear to be carefully crafted.  the last part put up is just plain american email bable text that casts a bad light on what goes before.  I don't understand why this was thrown out just as the Greta thing reached its climax.  I would have to conclude that it is not authentic and believe any serious person putting it out would not be so coy about would be more open about its procedence.  And why would it be put out only here, it must also be swirling around the web in Aruba, an apparently well wired place?


hi iquitos, i hopped on the site last night when this "email" was floatin around and didnt find much truth to it...i dont understand why someone would do that...i mean....like u said (and reason why i am responding to your post) is that why would it be on this forum and no where else!!  Were there multiple emails put up since last night? Is this a reacurring email thing goin on ???
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« Reply #31 on: June 22, 2005, 08:48:37 AM »

I have been struck by Beth Twitty's change in demeanor since her visit to the Van Der Sloot home - is there not a maxim somewhere to the effect 'I have met the enemy and the enemy is me' - haven't got that dead on but... - these families are suffering together in this - I have always felt this to be true - Beth is somewhat down - I feel for her.
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« Reply #32 on: June 22, 2005, 08:49:21 AM »

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  Thanks but I couldn't wait and just went looking though 20 pages. I didn't think anbody would get back to me that quick Laughing
About the email, whether it's real or not. I'm starting to believe that these boys had nothing to do with this.



<<< Embarassed Sorry, RL!  Not enough coffee yet.  Minutes after posting that "last 8 or so pages" I realized maybe more pages were added after I went to bed.  Embarassed   I've put RMiller's link in my edit for others to see.  Embarassed >>>

Thanks, RMiller!
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« Reply #33 on: June 22, 2005, 08:49:29 AM »

Do you think there should be a thread for that letter, so the people who get on today who didn't get to see it can go read it?  THen they can debate on that thread its authenticity?  I don't know how to create a thread Embarassed
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« Reply #34 on: June 22, 2005, 08:50:15 AM »

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I think she finally put up the entire email and went to bed leaving the rest slack jawwed.  the first part appear to be carefully crafted.  the last part put up is just plain american email bable text that casts a bad light on what goes before.  I don't understand why this was thrown out just as the Greta thing reached its climax.  I would have to conclude that it is not authentic and believe any serious person putting it out would not be so coy about would be more open about its procedence.  And why would it be put out only here, it must also be swirling around the web in Aruba, an apparently well wired place?


I can't believe the ruckus that this alleged email caused. There are a thousand reasons (check the postings) to doubt the authenticity of this email, and -- even if it were genuine -- it would only represent the OLD story, that the detainees have already discarded.
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« Reply #35 on: June 22, 2005, 08:50:43 AM »

It is hard to be in warrior mode when you have seen the pain of the other side
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« Reply #36 on: June 22, 2005, 08:51:28 AM »

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"PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY"

While trying to reconcile some things I remembered the concept of plausible deniability. This is used by politicians (daily) and athletes (when asked about steroid use). I still think this was a structured event. The dutchguy and the brothers have a bunch of it. Maybe this concept can be used to help you if you get stuck.

I was not aware of that!  Laughing
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« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2005, 08:51:51 AM »

Twitty's lawyer is no characterizing information sharing as "good," one of the three boys has apparently pointed the finger at Steven G Croes and:

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« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2005, 08:54:46 AM »

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I have been struck by Beth Twitty's change in demeanor since her visit to the Van Der Sloot home - is there not a maxim somewhere to the effect 'I have met the enemy and the enemy is me' - haven't got that dead on but... - these families are suffering together in this - I have always felt this to be true - Beth is somewhat down - I feel for her.

I believe it is fair to say all of the mothers whose children are involved in this case, whether the suspects mothers, or Natalees mother are suffering. I am sure no one wants to believe their child is capable of causing so much harm, and anguish to any family. As a mother myself, I know it would be very hard for me to accept a little boy i raised would be capable of anything so horrible. Natalees mom is suffering very much, and her actions are understandable, but I am sure talking with Jorans mother brought home the issue that his mother is upset also.
It in no way excuses the responsibilty of whoever took Natalee and I do believe they were involved. A knee jerk reaction would be to cover your butt, and lie and say you dropped her off at her hotel. But to continue the lie knowing your facing jail time makes no sense unless you are truelly hiding SOMETHING more. Just my opinion anyway.
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« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2005, 08:55:51 AM »

somebody, possibly a member of this site, has done a good job of summarizing the first version of the events before the alleged change of versions.  we have  one of the security guards telling us that the purported author has recanted the version in his own email.  We do not know for a fact he has.  It is possible the three drafted the email collectively to "validate"  and script their intitial story but that is far-fetched too.  Has this gotten into the MSM?
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