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« Reply #260 on: June 22, 2005, 11:04:03 AM »

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I agree. I have teenagers and sometimes some things they say are just plain stupid. They try so hard to be cool, and act a certain way and what have you. It doesnt always make it so.




Another thought is that even if he was home alone on the 27th and 28th, he was (is) about to leave for college in another country.  His being at home alone is no different than his being away at school.

Exactly. We arent talking about leaving a 10 yr old home alone guys. These are all older teens who would be on their way to college soon. If it is criminal to allow latitude with your older teens then Im guilty of that myself. There is a time when you have to have some faith in your kids, ecpsecially as they get older. All you can do is hope and pray you instilled the right values, the rest is up to them really.


granted..., but who would have been watching valentijn and the pillsbury dough boy?  not joran i suppose....[/quote]

wow good point...
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« Reply #261 on: June 22, 2005, 11:04:16 AM »

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All we know is that is has been reported he was brought in for questioning.  He, like Max whichever, was not held over like Steve.

That ought to say something, but I don't pretend to know what.


I've never seen any confirmation he was brought in for questioning...they say many people have been questioned...so it could be true...but, do we really know that?
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« Reply #262 on: June 22, 2005, 11:04:24 AM »

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I agree. I have teenagers and sometimes some things they say are just plain stupid. They try so hard to be cool, and act a certain way and what have you. It doesnt always make it so.




Another thought is that even if he was home alone on the 27th and 28th, he was (is) about to leave for college in another country.  His being at home alone is no different than his being away at school.


All of that holds true until daddy picks him up at MCD's at 11 on sunday night. Cause JVDS can't drive or be in Casinos on the island and it is a school night.


Thinking out loud...So the 27th and  28th he's on his own, but school get's out on Friday the 27th and he rides the bus home.  On Sat the 28th, he theoritically doesn't need transportation because there's no where he has to be.  His dad comes back on the 29th and JVS goes out and his dad pick's him up at 11:00 p.m. and brings him home.  After that, JVS sneeks out and goes to CC's.[/quote]
Yes. He then meets up with Natalee there and leaves thats when the time line gets screwy...
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« Reply #263 on: June 22, 2005, 11:04:32 AM »

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these kids seem like they would crap their pants if a "real" gangsta situation came up....


I totally agree.  Kids put on these personas to appear cool.  I think we are reading too much into the pictures.  I know my own sister does "gangsta" poses, but she was the salutatorion of her class...and a great role mode.  However, kids do those things (make gestures, call themselves cool names) to appear cool.


Maybe we are. But it's disturbing to me that he quickly started unloading his websites. Maybe he realized exactly what he was presenting to the public and that it would be read that way because that's how it came across?  So suspicious, to start deleting your steps on the Internet.  I'm not sure we're reading enough into those websites - maybe something that caused him to self-delete, for instance.
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« Reply #264 on: June 22, 2005, 11:04:47 AM »

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Joran seems like a typical teen for his social group. You simply can't judge him by US standards, everywhere else in the world teens are clubbing and drinking at Jorans age. US kids drink undeage all the time, too, they just sneak around or drink in cars..and which is more dangerous? Drinking in car or a casino?

I have never seen confirmation that Mr. VDS was in Holland, someone got a link?

Even if J was alone for two days, so what? All the MB students were away from parental supervision fir 5 days. He was only a few weeks from leaving for college.

I don't think that anyone as "depraved" as some of you seem to think he is, would be as successful in school and sports as he seems to be.


ok but who was watching valentijn and the little fat kid?
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« Reply #265 on: June 22, 2005, 11:06:23 AM »

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I agree. I have teenagers and sometimes some things they say are just plain stupid. They try so hard to be cool, and act a certain way and what have you. It doesnt always make it so.




Another thought is that even if he was home alone on the 27th and 28th, he was (is) about to leave for college in another country.  His being at home alone is no different than his being away at school.

Exactly. We arent talking about leaving a 10 yr old home alone guys. These are all older teens who would be on their way to college soon. If it is criminal to allow latitude with your older teens then Im guilty of that myself. There is a time when you have to have some faith in your kids, ecpsecially as they get older. All you can do is hope and pray you instilled the right values, the rest is up to them really.


granted..., but who would have been watching valentijn and the pillsbury dough boy?  not joran i suppose....


wow good point...[/quote]
Good point. But nothing has been said on whether they had someone "watching" them or not. It would be interesting to know what the plan was when both parents were away. I usually have one. My kids range from 4 mths to 16 yrs old. So I have to make plans in any case for the younger children, and the older ones have to cope.
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« Reply #266 on: June 22, 2005, 11:06:32 AM »

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Fox is saying that Joran keeps changing his story, he's looking guiltier every day.  Feel sorry for his parents though.


He has gone from being placed with three other guys as the last ones around NH, to being dropped off at a beach with NH, and subsequently, leaving NH hysterical/sleeping on the beach.  I think the polis are finally breaking him down. He has placed himself as the last person around NH. I am not feeling good about this outcome.  Sad
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« Reply #267 on: June 22, 2005, 11:07:00 AM »

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granted..., but who would have been watching valentijn and the pillsbury dough boy?  not joran i suppose....


wow good point...


Valentijn was with mom on trip.
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« Reply #268 on: June 22, 2005, 11:07:04 AM »

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Joran was unsupervised 17 yr old. His father was away working on his career. His mother could not control him and dismissed his bad behavior as boys will be boys. Both parents allowed him to drive, drink, gamble all illegal activities for a 17 yr old. Why was he never charged or fined for breaking these laws. And the Dad wants to be a judge!!! He also had his own apt he could come an go as he liked.
Who are they sorry for Joran or themselves as this will probably harm the father's career.


It seems he may have been on the island with no parents on the 27th and 28th.


On GVS last night it was reported the Dad was there, it was the Mom who was in Holland. The Dad picked him up at 11pm and brought him home.


The dad came back to aruba on the at 5pm on the 29th. The mother was not home on the 29th, 30th. I believe they were both away 27th and 28th.


I rest my case...the kid was under no supervision at all!


When I was a junior and senior in high school, my parents went to Europe and left me at home. During my senior year, they gave me increasing freedom, knowing I would soon be off to college. Joran was about to finish his senior year and leave for the States, so I don't think it's that big of a deal that they were a little lax or that they left him home alone.

Did your parents allow you to drink and go to Casinos? Did they knowingly allow you to break laws?
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« Reply #269 on: June 22, 2005, 11:07:37 AM »

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The email has its own thread.

Yay!

I also think I noticed  that the two girls interviewed on GVS made a small, insistent point that her 'real friends' wouldn't have let her get in that car.  Anyone else pick up on that inflection?

Fluff


i heard that.. ouch! Shocked


Indeed...ouch!  

But c'mon, think back to Dash's account.  NH and Joren were sort of behind the others from MB as they were leaving and NH 'sort of' (can't remember the exact word Dash used)  pointed ahead and said "I'm going with them."  

Possible that NH knew they wouldn't let her and was being a bit sneaky here?


A LITTLE SNEAKY, A LITTLE BOLD, AND A LITTLE VAGUE (SP) ON THE PART OF THE TELLER.
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« Reply #270 on: June 22, 2005, 11:07:46 AM »

I was a single parent, and when I had to be out of town, I farmed my kids out to my teaching buddies--usually separately to ones who had kids my age.

There is not proof that these parents did that, but there is also no proof that they did not.

She even could have had them with her--or he could have.

We don't know.  They could have other relatives that moved to Aruba.  We don't know.
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« Reply #271 on: June 22, 2005, 11:07:53 AM »

That email that ww wrote (just for you who wasnt here last night) came out befroe the Greta show came on.  The email was right on.  I think that its legit.  All religions almost believe in some type of God.  We should respect her instead of redicule her, she seems to know a lot. And we could use that here. Wink
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« Reply #272 on: June 22, 2005, 11:08:27 AM »

Innocent people may not play musical alibies. But Scared People do. Especially when your whole families future and yours is riding on it. I don't believe that Joran was a ring leader, more of a follower. I do believe drugs were involved with all people-- including Natalee.
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« Reply #273 on: June 22, 2005, 11:08:53 AM »

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I have a new timeline question, in all the articles about MBHS accounts, it says they knew something was wrong when Natalee wasn't around to catch the plane. I am not taking that literally but would take that to mean 10-11am Monday.

What was the earliest time anyone has said they looked for, or noticed she was missing? I am guessing here but if the kept late hours everynight it may have really been much later before she was "missing"

What I am getting is the window of opportunity would grow. 1-1:30am left CNC. It can be debated forever about the 3's involvement, but suffice to say there is at a min. 3 hours where no one would have known to "see" anything and possibly as much as 8+ hours.


This is certainly of interest, but let's not lose track of the central thread here. The last time Natalee was SEEN was with JORAN. So, from that point forward, the more important question should be where was HE?
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« Reply #274 on: June 22, 2005, 11:09:34 AM »

I am not sure what to think now. If he is infact changing his story again, then there needs to be a sense of panic for him right now, that is indeed covereing something very bad up!  This isnt looking good.  After all this pressure, i would think he would just confess to knowing where she was if she was alive...anyone agree?????  I just dont get that part..i want to thinkt here would be a good ending , but if these kids are not admitting that they kidnapped her and she is alive, then they must be holding "something" in.....Im suprised that the brothers have not just said It was all joran at this point!
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« Reply #275 on: June 22, 2005, 11:09:43 AM »

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Fox is saying that Joran keeps changing his story, he's looking guiltier every day.  Feel sorry for his parents though.


He has gone from being placed with three other guys as the last ones around NH, to being dropped off at a beach with NH, and subsequently, leaving NH hysterical/sleeping on the beach.  I think the polis are finally breaking him down. He has placed himself as the last person around NH. I am not feeling good about this outcome.  Sad


yesterday there was an indication that the time line may be down to 3 am -5 am... that does look good when you admit to being the last one seen with her.....and why would someone be "hysterical"?
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« Reply #276 on: June 22, 2005, 11:09:49 AM »

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granted..., but who would have been watching valentijn and the pillsbury dough boy?  not joran i suppose....


wow good point...


Valentijn was with mom on trip.


I thought I read on his profile that Valentijn was 19--he seemed old enough to take care of himself in any case.

The little fat kid (bless him, I love that picture where the ice cream cone is hanging out of his mouth) is another matter.
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« Reply #277 on: June 22, 2005, 11:09:52 AM »

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I couldn't agree with Cherry more. That's it in a nutshell. Kid has no limits...so there are no linmits to his behavior.


hello.. there must have been some limits.. or how did he have such high grade average and a offer for school in the us......?

By cheating?? Shocked


pretty hard to cheat your way to the high gpa he had....


I wonder if Joran is really the bad a** that some of us think.  Some of the things that he had on his tickle site and my spaces are some of the things I see my students doing....to make them look cool.  I wonder if we are not reading too much into those images and not actually seeing him as the boy that he is Question  Question  Perhaps he doesn't "think" he is a pimp, but it is "cool" to
 say that he is.  Anyone agree?


Well all you have to do is see all the yahoo and aol.com profiles, I really see nothing unusual, okay the gambling in the casino..I wonder where he gets the money?  Does he do it alot?

I heard he was an extasy dealer.
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« Reply #278 on: June 22, 2005, 11:10:01 AM »

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these kids seem like they would crap their pants if a "real" gangsta situation came up....


I totally agree.  Kids put on these personas to appear cool.  I think we are reading too much into the pictures.  I know my own sister does "gangsta" poses, but she was the salutatorion of her class...and a great role mode.  However, kids do those things (make gestures, call themselves cool names) to appear cool.


Maybe we are. But it's disturbing to me that he quickly started unloading his websites. Maybe he realized exactly what he was presenting to the public and that it would be read that way because that's how it came across?  So suspicious, to start deleting your steps on the Internet.  I'm not sure we're reading enough into those websites - maybe something that caused him to self-delete, for instance.


I think he realized his photo was being grapped and published elsewhere...if it was Joran who wrote Dan, we know that to be true.  Guilty or innocent for the sake of privacy I would sure take down my photos and friend's photos....I think we all would.

It does NOT prove guilt to do such a thing.

I'm not defending him in any way, but to pick normal activities and attach guilt is out of line.
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« Reply #279 on: June 22, 2005, 11:10:10 AM »

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That email that ww wrote (just for you who wasnt here last night) came out befroe the Greta show came on.  The email was right on.  I think that its legit.  All religions almost believe in some type of God.  We should respect her instead of redicule her, she seems to know a lot. And we could use that here. Wink

I agree. She posted in prior to Greats show and alot in the email ended up being validated. There is no way of saying the emails werent authentic.
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