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« Reply #280 on: June 22, 2005, 11:10:23 AM »

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granted..., but who would have been watching valentijn and the pillsbury dough boy?  not joran i suppose....


wow good point...


Valentijn was with mom on trip.


what about the littest kid?
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« Reply #281 on: June 22, 2005, 11:10:55 AM »

This is certainly of interest, but let's not lose track of the central thread here. The last time Natalee was SEEN was with JORAN. So, from that point forward, the more important question should be where was HE?

That's exactly what the authorities would be trying to get to, to either confirm or debunk his story of this time, IMO.
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« Reply #282 on: June 22, 2005, 11:12:02 AM »

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I think he realized his photo was being grapped and published elsewhere...if it was Joran who wrote Dan, we know that to be true.  Guilty or innocent for the sake of privacy I would sure take down my photos and friend's photos....I think we all would.

It does NOT prove guilt to do such a thing.

I'm not defending him in any way, but to pick normal activities and attach guilt is out of line.


I agree with you, ND!
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« Reply #283 on: June 22, 2005, 11:12:06 AM »

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That email that ww wrote (just for you who wasnt here last night) came out befroe the Greta show came on.  The email was right on.  I think that its legit.  All religions almost believe in some type of God.  We should respect her instead of redicule her, she seems to know a lot. And we could use that here. Wink


I feel the same way, Shell.  About all of your comment.
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« Reply #284 on: June 22, 2005, 11:12:38 AM »

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I am not sure what to think now. If he is infact changing his story again, then there needs to be a sense of panic for him right now, that is indeed covereing something very bad up!  This isnt looking good.  After all this pressure, i would think he would just confess to knowing where she was if she was alive...anyone agree?????  I just dont get that part..i want to thinkt here would be a good ending , but if these kids are not admitting that they kidnapped her and she is alive, then they must be holding "something" in.....Im suprised that the brothers have not just said It was all joran at this point!


First off Kell, I think that he has cracked by now.  He is to scared.  So he has no reason to make up a story, and being interrogated has to suck.

I just cant help but wonder where their investigation is going.  Before Beth went in the house she WAS POSITIVE THEY ARE INVOLVED.  After that, she just stated she felt that the boys knew, cause they were the last ones to see her.  Who knows.  But if they dont find her soon this case will be thrown out.
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« Reply #285 on: June 22, 2005, 11:12:40 AM »

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ar least one fact was cleared up last night .. it was mama vd sloot in holland and not papa... i get the impression that mama vd sloot keeps joran in line and when she is gone... its party time.. and papa, does nt reallly care what joran does.... anyone else?


I don't think either one of them had a handle on that kid. But I suspect the Father was the easiest of the two! Great judge material for Aruba!


Rob,
I agree with your assessment, the mom keeps them all in line.  I will however, give Papa VDS cudos for being gentlemanly and inviting the two guests into his home. This was the best thing that could happen to calm the case down quickly.  He seems like he reallly cares about what is going on right now.  He probably wishes he hadnt given his kid so much latitude., IMHO


as opposed to having major confortation on the front lawn with the cameras rolling.. i loved the way he hid in the bushes...fast as O.J. and unseen like the invisible man....


Good one Rob,
It's all about appearences to Mr Judge


As soon as he heard her say she was Natalees mom he came out of the bushes. He looked surprised and yet
seemed anxious to talk to her. Just my take on it.
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« Reply #286 on: June 22, 2005, 11:12:57 AM »

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these kids seem like they would crap their pants if a "real" gangsta situation came up....


I totally agree.  Kids put on these personas to appear cool.  I think we are reading too much into the pictures.  I know my own sister does "gangsta" poses, but she was the salutatorion of her class...and a great role mode.  However, kids do those things (make gestures, call themselves cool names) to appear cool.


Maybe we are. But it's disturbing to me that he quickly started unloading his websites. Maybe he realized exactly what he was presenting to the public and that it would be read that way because that's how it came across?  So suspicious, to start deleting your steps on the Internet.  I'm not sure we're reading enough into those websites - maybe something that caused him to self-delete, for instance.


Identity protection from media is not illogical, I would do it if I was under investigation. It has nothing to do with being guilty.  In fact Joran might have been smart enough to say 'hey, I better protect my friends from harrastment' . You have to see any Yahoo board that is discussing anything and subject, it just no real discussion of issues.  Okay now the musical alibis.  One word Interrogation.  Police interrogation can break you down and make you confess to anthing.  So changing of stories migth be teh inaccurate version.  I almost have to say I am starting to believe the first story and give it more weight, no matter what supposely Deepak said.  Maybe it was a police tactic to sow discord among the group fearing that they must force a confession.  Do we have a confession..no?! Why not, for  all intense and purpose it should have been a 'simple' case.. well its not.
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« Reply #287 on: June 22, 2005, 11:13:05 AM »

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granted..., but who would have been watching valentijn and the pillsbury dough boy?  not joran i suppose....


wow good point...


Valentijn was with mom on trip.


I thought I read on his profile that Valentijn was 19--he seemed old enough to take care of himself in any case.

The little fat kid (bless him, I love that picture where the ice cream cone is hanging out of his mouth) is another matter.


hes like 15 or 16....
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« Reply #288 on: June 22, 2005, 11:13:07 AM »

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This is certainly of interest, but let's not lose track of the central thread here. The last time Natalee was SEEN was with JORAN. So, from that point forward, the more important question should be where was HE?

That's exactly what the authorities would be trying to get to, to either confirm or debunk his story of this time, IMO.


That's very true.  But that's where everything goes haywire.  Nobody seems to know that but him.  His dad was evidently asleep.  The brothers may know some details, but probably not all.
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« Reply #289 on: June 22, 2005, 11:13:12 AM »

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That email that ww wrote (just for you who wasnt here last night) came out befroe the Greta show came on.  The email was right on.  I think that its legit.  All religions almost believe in some type of God.  We should respect her instead of redicule her, she seems to know a lot. And we could use that here. Wink


I feel the same way, Shell.  About all of your comment.


I live in southwest Ga also!!!!
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« Reply #290 on: June 22, 2005, 11:13:15 AM »

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these kids seem like they would crap their pants if a "real" gangsta situation came up....


I totally agree.  Kids put on these personas to appear cool.  I think we are reading too much into the pictures.  I know my own sister does "gangsta" poses, but she was the salutatorion of her class...and a great role mode.  However, kids do those things (make gestures, call themselves cool names) to appear cool.


Maybe we are. But it's disturbing to me that he quickly started unloading his websites. Maybe he realized exactly what he was presenting to the public and that it would be read that way because that's how it came across?  So suspicious, to start deleting your steps on the Internet.  I'm not sure we're reading enough into those websites - maybe something that caused him to self-delete, for instance.


I think he realized his photo was being grapped and published elsewhere...if it was Joran who wrote Dan, we know that to be true.  Guilty or innocent for the sake of privacy I would sure take down my photos and friend's photos....I think we all would.

It does NOT prove guilt to do such a thing.

I'm not defending him in any way, but to pick normal activities and attach guilt is out of line.


Absolutely would take down my website if I was thrust into public view like that, seems completely normal to me.
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« Reply #291 on: June 22, 2005, 11:13:31 AM »

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I am not sure what to think now. If he is infact changing his story again, then there needs to be a sense of panic for him right now, that is indeed covereing something very bad up!  This isnt looking good.  After all this pressure, i would think he would just confess to knowing where she was if she was alive...anyone agree?????  I just dont get that part..i want to thinkt here would be a good ending , but if these kids are not admitting that they kidnapped her and she is alive, then they must be holding "something" in.....Im suprised that the brothers have not just said It was all joran at this point!


I agree with you Kelly.. had to run in the room and plant myself in front of the tv set to listen.. Wonder if Joran knows anything about NH mom and Greta visiting his parents last evening..Hmmmm....maybes hes pooping his pants!!
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« Reply #292 on: June 22, 2005, 11:13:57 AM »

The decapitated body they found? I heard it was a message sent to someone. A common one sent by some satanic gang? Has anyone else heard this? I heard it on TV, can't remember which show. I beleive it was an international DEA agent stating it.
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« Reply #293 on: June 22, 2005, 11:14:11 AM »

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these kids seem like they would crap their pants if a "real" gangsta situation came up....


I totally agree.  Kids put on these personas to appear cool.  I think we are reading too much into the pictures.  I know my own sister does "gangsta" poses, but she was the salutatorion of her class...and a great role mode.  However, kids do those things (make gestures, call themselves cool names) to appear cool.


Maybe we are. But it's disturbing to me that he quickly started unloading his websites. Maybe he realized exactly what he was presenting to the public and that it would be read that way because that's how it came across?  So suspicious, to start deleting your steps on the Internet.  I'm not sure we're reading enough into those websites - maybe something that caused him to self-delete, for instance.


Identity protection from media is not illogical, I would do it if I was under investigation. It has nothing to do with being guilty.  In fact Joran might have been smart enough to say 'hey, I better protect my friends from harrastment' . You have to see any Yahoo board that is discussing anything and subject, it just no real discussion of issues.  Okay now the musical alibis.  One word Interrogation.  Police interrogation can break you down and make you confess to anthing.  So changing of stories migth be teh inaccurate version.  I almost have to say I am starting to believe the first story and give it more weight, no matter what supposely Deepak said.  Maybe it was a police tactic to sow discord among the group fearing that they must force a confession.  Do we have a confession..no?! Why not, for  all intense and purpose it should have been a 'simple' case.. well its not.


I'm starting to believe that myself.
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« Reply #294 on: June 22, 2005, 11:14:15 AM »

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Innocent people may not play musical alibies. But Scared People do. Especially when your whole families future and yours is riding on it. I don't believe that Joran was a ring leader, more of a follower. I do believe drugs were involved with all people-- including Natalee.


If drugs were involved then Joran is not innocent.  I see no scenario where in the purest sense of the word those boys are completely innocent. At best, they're changing stories and giving LE and the parents the runaround. At worst, who knows?  But there's never any need to change your story if you're telling the truth.  The truth withstands ALL scrutiny.
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« Reply #295 on: June 22, 2005, 11:14:39 AM »

this info that he left her hysterical/sleeping on the beach - where did that come from?

wasn't it on reihl (sp?) pictures of styrofoam, a bottle of lysol, and a security guard shirt?  was any of that authenticated?
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« Reply #296 on: June 22, 2005, 11:14:59 AM »

Does anyone have a map showing JVS house, CC, Holiday Inn? How did he get to Casino? The brothers?
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« Reply #297 on: June 22, 2005, 11:15:22 AM »

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I am not sure what to think now. If he is infact changing his story again, then there needs to be a sense of panic for him right now, that is indeed covereing something very bad up!  This isnt looking good.  After all this pressure, i would think he would just confess to knowing where she was if she was alive...anyone agree?????  I just dont get that part..i want to thinkt here would be a good ending , but if these kids are not admitting that they kidnapped her and she is alive, then they must be holding "something" in.....Im suprised that the brothers have not just said It was all joran at this point!


maybe they have and LE is wanting a confession?
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« Reply #298 on: June 22, 2005, 11:15:45 AM »

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Innocent people may not play musical alibies. But Scared People do. Especially when your whole families future and yours is riding on it. I don't believe that Joran was a ring leader, more of a follower. I do believe drugs were involved with all people-- including Natalee.


If drugs were involved then Joran is not innocent.  I see no scenario where in the purest sense of the word those boys are completely innocent. At best, they're changing stories and giving LE and the parents the runaround. At worst, who knows?  But there's never any need to change your story if you're telling the truth.  The truth withstands ALL scrutiny.


Yeah but you never know til you go through it.  I would be a wreck!  There is no telling what would come out of my mouth.  They have already showed their gonna hold them guilty or innocent.
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« Reply #299 on: June 22, 2005, 11:15:58 AM »

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I am not sure what to think now. If he is infact changing his story again, then there needs to be a sense of panic for him right now, that is indeed covereing something very bad up!  This isnt looking good.  After all this pressure, i would think he would just confess to knowing where she was if she was alive...anyone agree?????  I just dont get that part..i want to thinkt here would be a good ending , but if these kids are not admitting that they kidnapped her and she is alive, then they must be holding "something" in.....Im suprised that the brothers have not just said It was all joran at this point!


I agree with you Kelly.. had to run in the room and plant myself in front of the tv set to listen.. Wonder if Joran knows anything about NH mom and Greta visiting his parents last evening..Hmmmm....maybes hes pooping his pants!!


Hey, can you post a lil summary of anything they say on fox if it is in fact new information..thanks..stuck at work and tryin to be discrete over here and the typing constatnly really gives it away lol Embarassed
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