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« Reply #300 on: June 22, 2005, 11:16:03 AM »

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ar least one fact was cleared up last night .. it was mama vd sloot in holland and not papa... i get the impression that mama vd sloot keeps joran in line and when she is gone... its party time.. and papa, does nt reallly care what joran does.... anyone else?


I don't think either one of them had a handle on that kid. But I suspect the Father was the easiest of the two! Great judge material for Aruba!


Rob,
I agree with your assessment, the mom keeps them all in line.  I will however, give Papa VDS cudos for being gentlemanly and inviting the two guests into his home. This was the best thing that could happen to calm the case down quickly.  He seems like he reallly cares about what is going on right now.  He probably wishes he hadnt given his kid so much latitude., IMHO


as opposed to having major confortation on the front lawn with the cameras rolling.. i loved the way he hid in the bushes...fast as O.J. and unseen like the invisible man....


Good one Rob,
It's all about appearences to Mr Judge


As soon as he heard her say she was Natalees mom he came out of the bushes. He looked surprised and yet
seemed anxious to talk to her. Just my take on it.


he came out of the bushes bc, after the running episode, he would have cast a hell of alotta doubt on his son and him if he did nt .. hes weird.. but not stupid....
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« Reply #301 on: June 22, 2005, 11:16:05 AM »

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Did your parents allow you to drink and go to Casinos? Did they knowingly allow you to break laws?


Thats quite a bit different!  Are you/Did you let your kids drive before they turned 16?  My parents let me drink before I was 21, hell I spend a few years in college before I turned 21 and I when I came home I had beers with my dad.

Casinos and Drinking are not a big problem in Aruba and its not viewed the same as here in the states
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« Reply #302 on: June 22, 2005, 11:16:15 AM »

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Joran seems like a typical teen for his social group. You simply can't judge him by US standards, everywhere else in the world teens are clubbing and drinking at Jorans age. US kids drink undeage all the time, too, they just sneak around or drink in cars..and which is more dangerous? Drinking in car or a casino?

I have never seen confirmation that Mr. VDS was in Holland, someone got a link?

Even if J was alone for two days, so what? All the MB students were away from parental supervision fir 5 days. He was only a few weeks from leaving for college.

I don't think that anyone as "depraved" as some of you seem to think he is, would be as successful in school and sports as he seems to be.


ok but who was watching valentijn and the little fat kid?


I thought Valentijn was the eldest which would make him older than 18 and the youngest son went to Holland with the mother.  Not to be snarly but it's not necessary to call the little one names.
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« Reply #303 on: June 22, 2005, 11:16:16 AM »

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this info that he left her hysterical/sleeping on the beach - where did that come from?

wasn't it on reihl (sp?) pictures of styrofoam, a bottle of lysol, and a security guard shirt?  was any of that authenticated?


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« Reply #304 on: June 22, 2005, 11:16:17 AM »

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Joran was unsupervised 17 yr old. His father was away working on his career. His mother could not control him and dismissed his bad behavior as boys will be boys. Both parents allowed him to drive, drink, gamble all illegal activities for a 17 yr old. Why was he never charged or fined for breaking these laws. And the Dad wants to be a judge!!! He also had his own apt he could come an go as he liked.
Who are they sorry for Joran or themselves as this will probably harm the father's career.


It seems he may have been on the island with no parents on the 27th and 28th.


On GVS last night it was reported the Dad was there, it was the Mom who was in Holland. The Dad picked him up at 11pm and brought him home.


The dad came back to aruba on the at 5pm on the 29th. The mother was not home on the 29th, 30th. I believe they were both away 27th and 28th.


I rest my case...the kid was under no supervision at all!


When I was a junior and senior in high school, my parents went to Europe and left me at home. During my senior year, they gave me increasing freedom, knowing I would soon be off to college. Joran was about to finish his senior year and leave for the States, so I don't think it's that big of a deal that they were a little lax or that they left him home alone.

Did your parents allow you to drink and go to Casinos? Did they knowingly allow you to break laws?
 

DID NATALEES PARENTS LET HER GO TO ARUBA DO THINGS ILLEGAL IN HER OWN GREAT STATE OF ALABAMA AND MOST OF THE OTHER STATES AT THE AGE OF 18?   WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?  NATALEE IS TWO OR THREE YEARS SHORT OF LEGAL DRINKING AND GAMBLING AGE IN THE US WHILE JORAN IS ONLY A MONTH SHORT IN ARUBA.  FOR GENERAL PURPOSES NATAEE AND JORAN ARE THE SAME AGE EDUCATIONALLY AND OTHERWISE.  TWO HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS ABOUT TO GO OUR IN THE WORLD ON THEIR OWN.  DOES DOING SOMETHING WE DON'T ALLOW IN THE US IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY MAKE IT BETTER?  I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST WE START A SECOND GUESS OTHER PEOPLE'S PARENTING SKILLS BOARD FOR THIS DRIVEL.
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« Reply #305 on: June 22, 2005, 11:16:53 AM »

IMHO, they are going to break JVDS.  He is going to confess "to doing something bad".  and then there will be a trial, IMHO, he wont last much longer under the stress
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« Reply #306 on: June 22, 2005, 11:16:59 AM »

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Identity protection from media is not illogical, I would do it if I was under investigation. It has nothing to do with being guilty.  In fact Joran might have been smart enough to say 'hey, I better protect my friends from harrastment' . You have to see any Yahoo board that is discussing anything and subject, it just no real discussion of issues.  Okay now the musical alibis.  One word Interrogation.  Police interrogation can break you down and make you confess to anthing.  So changing of stories migth be teh inaccurate version.  I almost have to say I am starting to believe the first story and give it more weight, no matter what supposely Deepak said.  Maybe it was a police tactic to sow discord among the group fearing that they must force a confession.  Do we have a confession..no?! Why not, for  all intense and purpose it should have been a 'simple' case.. well its not.


Not only would he be protecting his friends, but his family.  I got to see the site before it was taken down, and there were pictures of little kids...very young...on there; I would assume they were cousins or something.  I am sure that his family encouraged him to take it down.  His extended family shouldn't be subjucted to all of this.
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« Reply #307 on: June 22, 2005, 11:17:02 AM »

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this info that he left her hysterical/sleeping on the beach - where did that come from?

wasn't it on reihl (sp?) pictures of styrofoam, a bottle of lysol, and a security guard shirt?  was any of that authenticated?


It was on fox last night....one story was he left her there hysterical...then he elft her there sleeping..those were the reports that were said that joran changed his story to.
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« Reply #308 on: June 22, 2005, 11:17:52 AM »

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Innocent people may not play musical alibies. But Scared People do. Especially when your whole families future and yours is riding on it....


Yes - do you remember being that age...how those things (parents' lives/reputations, parents' trust, etc.) seemed soooo HUGE?  This concept is much discussed around teen suicide, too - the way that things such as this are blown totally out of proportion in the minds of teens.
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« Reply #309 on: June 22, 2005, 11:18:19 AM »

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Joran was unsupervised 17 yr old. His father was away working on his career. His mother could not control him and dismissed his bad behavior as boys will be boys. Both parents allowed him to drive, drink, gamble all illegal activities for a 17 yr old. Why was he never charged or fined for breaking these laws. And the Dad wants to be a judge!!! He also had his own apt he could come an go as he liked.
Who are they sorry for Joran or themselves as this will probably harm the father's career.


It seems he may have been on the island with no parents on the 27th and 28th.


On GVS last night it was reported the Dad was there, it was the Mom who was in Holland. The Dad picked him up at 11pm and brought him home.


The dad came back to aruba on the at 5pm on the 29th. The mother was not home on the 29th, 30th. I believe they were both away 27th and 28th.


I rest my case...the kid was under no supervision at all!


When I was a junior and senior in high school, my parents went to Europe and left me at home. During my senior year, they gave me increasing freedom, knowing I would soon be off to college. Joran was about to finish his senior year and leave for the States, so I don't think it's that big of a deal that they were a little lax or that they left him home alone.

Did your parents allow you to drink and go to Casinos? Did they knowingly allow you to break laws?
 

DID NATALEES PARENTS LET HER GO TO ARUBA DO THINGS ILLEGAL IN HER OWN GREAT STATE OF ALABAMA AND MOST OF THE OTHER STATES AT THE AGE OF 18?   WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?  NATALEE IS TWO OR THREE YEARS SHORT OF LEGAL DRINKING AND GAMBLING AGE IN THE US WHILE JORAN IS ONLY A MONTH SHORT IN ARUBA.  FOR GENERAL PURPOSES NATAEE AND JORAN ARE THE SAME AGE EDUCATIONALLY AND OTHERWISE.  TWO HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS ABOUT TO GO OUR IN THE WORLD ON THEIR OWN.  DOES DOING SOMETHING WE DON'T ALLOW IN THE US IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY MAKE IT BETTER?  I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST WE START A SECOND GUESS OTHER PEOPLE'S PARENTING SKILLS BOARD FOR THIS DRIVEL.


Exactly!!
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« Reply #310 on: June 22, 2005, 11:18:24 AM »

If the statement that he left her on the beach, asleep or hysterical, is true, then maybe that is all he knows.  Even if he had given her a date rape drug or she was upset about something else.  

Perhaps, in order to cover the fact that he sneeked out and was last seen with this missing girl, he tried to present the story in the most favorable light.  Thinking that she would show up.  Now she hasn't, and he's having to fess up to things he'd rather keep hidden.
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« Reply #311 on: June 22, 2005, 11:18:26 AM »

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Joran was unsupervised 17 yr old. His father was away working on his career. His mother could not control him and dismissed his bad behavior as boys will be boys. Both parents allowed him to drive, drink, gamble all illegal activities for a 17 yr old. Why was he never charged or fined for breaking these laws. And the Dad wants to be a judge!!! He also had his own apt he could come an go as he liked.
Who are they sorry for Joran or themselves as this will probably harm the father's career.


It seems he may have been on the island with no parents on the 27th and 28th.


On GVS last night it was reported the Dad was there, it was the Mom who was in Holland. The Dad picked him up at 11pm and brought him home.


The dad came back to aruba on the at 5pm on the 29th. The mother was not home on the 29th, 30th. I believe they were both away 27th and 28th.


I rest my case...the kid was under no supervision at all!


When I was a junior and senior in high school, my parents went to Europe and left me at home. During my senior year, they gave me increasing freedom, knowing I would soon be off to college. Joran was about to finish his senior year and leave for the States, so I don't think it's that big of a deal that they were a little lax or that they left him home alone.

Did your parents allow you to drink and go to Casinos? Did they knowingly allow you to break laws?
 

DID NATALEES PARENTS LET HER GO TO ARUBA DO THINGS ILLEGAL IN HER OWN GREAT STATE OF ALABAMA AND MOST OF THE OTHER STATES AT THE AGE OF 18?   WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?  NATALEE IS TWO OR THREE YEARS SHORT OF LEGAL DRINKING AND GAMBLING AGE IN THE US WHILE JORAN IS ONLY A MONTH SHORT IN ARUBA.  FOR GENERAL PURPOSES NATAEE AND JORAN ARE THE SAME AGE EDUCATIONALLY AND OTHERWISE.  TWO HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS ABOUT TO GO OUR IN THE WORLD ON THEIR OWN.  DOES DOING SOMETHING WE DON'T ALLOW IN THE US IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY MAKE IT BETTER?  I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST WE START A SECOND GUESS OTHER PEOPLE'S PARENTING SKILLS BOARD FOR THIS DRIVEL.


Good point.  My parents let me drink when I was in hs.  They let me go on my senior cruise also.  So there you go............  ANd I am okay (It think, excepth for the voices!
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« Reply #312 on: June 22, 2005, 11:18:27 AM »

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I am not sure what to think now. If he is infact changing his story again, then there needs to be a sense of panic for him right now, that is indeed covereing something very bad up!  This isnt looking good.  After all this pressure, i would think he would just confess to knowing where she was if she was alive...anyone agree?????  I just dont get that part..i want to thinkt here would be a good ending , but if these kids are not admitting that they kidnapped her and she is alive, then they must be holding "something" in.....Im suprised that the brothers have not just said It was all joran at this point!


I agree with you Kelly.. had to run in the room and plant myself in front of the tv set to listen.. Wonder if Joran knows anything about NH mom and Greta visiting his parents last evening..Hmmmm....maybes hes pooping his pants!!


I can only think that either hardened criminals or trained militairy personnel would be able to witstand long hours of interrogation and NOT BREAK DOWN.  So we have to conclude they don;t know anything and or are innnocent of suspicion of manslaughter.   If you were in his shoes would your family allow an interview?  I have to say its time to move on...there is nothing here to find anymore., at least not from this posse.
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« Reply #313 on: June 22, 2005, 11:19:04 AM »

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Joran seems like a typical teen for his social group. You simply can't judge him by US standards, everywhere else in the world teens are clubbing and drinking at Jorans age. US kids drink undeage all the time, too, they just sneak around or drink in cars..and which is more dangerous? Drinking in car or a casino?

I have never seen confirmation that Mr. VDS was in Holland, someone got a link?

Even if J was alone for two days, so what? All the MB students were away from parental supervision fir 5 days. He was only a few weeks from leaving for college.

I don't think that anyone as "depraved" as some of you seem to think he is, would be as successful in school and sports as he seems to be.


ok but who was watching valentijn and the little fat kid?


I thought Valentijn was the eldest which would make him older than 18 and the youngest son went to Holland with the mother.  Not to be snarly but it's not necessary to call the little one names.

Valentijn is Joran's younger brother and is approx 15.  He lied on his tickle site when he said he was 19.
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« Reply #314 on: June 22, 2005, 11:19:14 AM »

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I couldn't agree with Cherry more. That's it in a nutshell. Kid has no limits...so there are no linmits to his behavior.


hello.. there must have been some limits.. or how did he have such high grade average and a offer for school in the us......?

By cheating?? :shock:


pretty hard to cheat your way to the high gpa he had....


I wonder if Joran is really the bad a** that some of us think.  Some of the things that he had on his tickle site and my spaces are some of the things I see my students doing....to make them look cool.  I wonder if we are not reading too much into those images and not actually seeing him as the boy that he is :?:  :?:  Perhaps he doesn't "think" he is a pimp, but it is "cool" to
 say that he is.  Anyone agree?


Well all you have to do is see all the yahoo and aol.com profiles, I really see nothing unusual, okay the gambling in the casino..I wonder where he gets the money?  Does he do it alot?

I heard he was an extasy dealer.


Cherry, be careful what you believe!  That is total hearsay!
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« Reply #315 on: June 22, 2005, 11:20:20 AM »

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If the statement that he left her on the beach, asleep or hysterical, is true, then maybe that is all he knows.  Even if he had given her a date rape drug or she was upset about something else.  

Perhaps, in order to cover the fact that he sneeked out and was last seen with this missing girl, he tried to present the story in the most favorable light.  Thinking that she would show up.  Now she hasn't, and he's having to fess up to things he'd rather keep hidden.


i'm starting to feel that way as well.  he only knows information up to a point.  the point at which he left her either hysterical or sleeping.  after that, he does not know and neither does deepak or satish.
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« Reply #316 on: June 22, 2005, 11:20:23 AM »

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I am not sure what to think now. If he is infact changing his story again, then there needs to be a sense of panic for him right now, that is indeed covereing something very bad up!  This isnt looking good.  After all this pressure, i would think he would just confess to knowing where she was if she was alive...anyone agree?????  I just dont get that part..i want to thinkt here would be a good ending , but if these kids are not admitting that they kidnapped her and she is alive, then they must be holding "something" in.....Im suprised that the brothers have not just said It was all joran at this point!


I agree with you Kelly.. had to run in the room and plant myself in front of the tv set to listen.. Wonder if Joran knows anything about NH mom and Greta visiting his parents last evening..Hmmmm....maybes hes pooping his pants!!


Hey, can you post a lil summary of anything they say on fox if it is in fact new information..thanks..stuck at work and tryin to be discrete over here and the typing constatnly really gives it away lol Embarassed


Sure no problem.. if anyone else has FOX on now too..maybe they can post as well.. My tv is on in the other room..I cant hear it real well..so I keep running back and forth when something is being said!! So far nothing more other then hes changing stories and has been taken to the prison.. they all have their own cells and not around one another. Fox also says that Croes ex feel she should be released and dont believe he has anything to do with this.. Croes still being held in the police station.. Also since Joran keeps changing stories.. its making it worse on the brothers.. they will be detained longer as well.
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« Reply #317 on: June 22, 2005, 11:20:40 AM »

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Did your parents allow you to drink and go to Casinos? Did they knowingly allow you to break laws?


Thats quite a bit different!  Are you/Did you let your kids drive before they turned 16?  My parents let me drink before I was 21, hell I spend a few years in college before I turned 21 and I when I came home I had beers with my dad.

Casinos and Drinking are not a big problem in Aruba and its not viewed the same as here in the states


NO I did not let my children drink or drive before the law said they could. Call me old fashion! I obey the laws!!
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« Reply #318 on: June 22, 2005, 11:20:54 AM »

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If the statement that he left her on the beach, asleep or hysterical, is true, then maybe that is all he knows.  Even if he had given her a date rape drug or she was upset about something else.  

Perhaps, in order to cover the fact that he sneeked out and was last seen with this missing girl, he tried to present the story in the most favorable light.  Thinking that she would show up.  Now she hasn't, and he's having to fess up to things he'd rather keep hidden.


They wouldnt have made up the holiday Inn story if that story about leavin her at the beach was in fact true...there would have ben no need too...
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« Reply #319 on: June 22, 2005, 11:21:52 AM »

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  Okay now the musical alibis.  One word Interrogation.  Police interrogation can break you down and make you confess to anthing.  So changing of stories migth be teh inaccurate version.  I almost have to say I am starting to believe the first story and give it more weight, no matter what supposely Deepak said.  Maybe it was a police tactic to sow discord among the group fearing that they must force a confession.  Do we have a confession..no?! Why not, for  all intense and purpose it should have been a 'simple' case.. well its not.


You make a good case for the websites, perhaps.

But, respectfully, you've got two directly contradictory views within this paragraph. If police interrogation can get someone to confess, yet it hasn't, it's hard to believe that it can get the same person to change his truth to a lie.  Especially under that kind of pressure, with your whole life hanging in the balance - there's no real motivation to lie particularly when it simply makes one look more guilty, not less. . Of course, that's just my take and everyone else's mileage may vary.  [/b]

Also, we don't know much of anything. We may think "there's nothing to see with those three" but police still do.  Which keeps them in the spot of most likely perps.
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