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« Reply #320 on: June 22, 2005, 11:22:11 AM »

The thing is this if these guys are innocent then why did they change their original story?  If you guys think they are only changing because of the pressures of interrogation (which probably is unlikely in any situation but still possible)  then why haven't they confessed?  Changing their stories isn't going to make the interrogations stop, only make them worse.  If they were really cracking just because of the pressure then they would go all out with a confession to make it stop.  I think that joran probably indirectly or directly had something to do with Natalee's death.  The brothers probably did as well, but Im guessing to a lesser degree than Joran.  That's the reason they lied and invented a story in the first place.
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« Reply #321 on: June 22, 2005, 11:22:30 AM »

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I couldn't agree with Cherry more. That's it in a nutshell. Kid has no limits...so there are no linmits to his behavior.


hello.. there must have been some limits.. or how did he have such high grade average and a offer for school in the us......?

By cheating?? Shocked


pretty hard to cheat your way to the high gpa he had....


I wonder if Joran is really the bad a** that some of us think.  Some of the things that he had on his tickle site and my spaces are some of the things I see my students doing....to make them look cool.  I wonder if we are not reading too much into those images and not actually seeing him as the boy that he is Question  Question  Perhaps he doesn't "think" he is a pimp, but it is "cool" to
 say that he is.  Anyone agree?


Well all you have to do is see all the yahoo and aol.com profiles, I really see nothing unusual, okay the gambling in the casino..I wonder where he gets the money?  Does he do it alot?

I heard he was an extasy dealer.


Cherry, be careful what you believe!  That is total hearsay!


I don't know Nancy Drew, many crimes committed drugs are involved. Let's wait and see.
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« Reply #322 on: June 22, 2005, 11:23:09 AM »

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Joran seems like a typical teen for his social group. You simply can't judge him by US standards, everywhere else in the world teens are clubbing and drinking at Jorans age. US kids drink undeage all the time, too, they just sneak around or drink in cars..and which is more dangerous? Drinking in car or a casino?

I have never seen confirmation that Mr. VDS was in Holland, someone got a link?

Even if J was alone for two days, so what? All the MB students were away from parental supervision fir 5 days. He was only a few weeks from leaving for college.

I don't think that anyone as "depraved" as some of you seem to think he is, would be as successful in school and sports as he seems to be.


ok but who was watching valentijn and the little fat kid?


I thought Valentijn was the eldest which would make him older than 18 and the youngest son went to Holland with the mother.  Not to be snarly but it's not necessary to call the little one names.
 

I imagine if the travel dates are correct that the poor van der sloots were both majorly jet lagged when the big kaka hit the ventilator.  Valentijn is 14 the other kid 10 or 12.  What has their weight got to do with it people of the most obese nation on earth?  if the kids did not go with mom i think dad, big bro are enough supervision.  some of you sound like you are prison guards for helpless kids.  as somebody said, my kids have been fixing their own breakfast since they learned to pour milk.
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« Reply #323 on: June 22, 2005, 11:23:16 AM »

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Innocent people may not play musical alibies. But Scared People do. Especially when your whole families future and yours is riding on it....


Yes - do you remember being that age...how those things (parents' lives/reputations, parents' trust, etc.) seemed soooo HUGE?  This concept is much discussed around teen suicide, too - the way that things such as this are blown totally out of proportion in the minds of teens.


Everything is a DRAMA when youre a teenager no doubt about that. I dont think that drama leaves seriously until your in your 20s.
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« Reply #324 on: June 22, 2005, 11:23:29 AM »

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If the statement that he left her on the beach, asleep or hysterical, is true, then maybe that is all he knows.  Even if he had given her a date rape drug or she was upset about something else.  

Perhaps, in order to cover the fact that he sneeked out and was last seen with this missing girl, he tried to present the story in the most favorable light.  Thinking that she would show up.  Now she hasn't, and he's having to fess up to things he'd rather keep hidden.



They wouldnt have made up the holiday Inn story if that story about leavin her at the beach was in fact true...there would have ben no need too...


in a way they would.  joran would know that leaving her on the beach by herself would definitely not be the "gentlemanly" thing to do.
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« Reply #325 on: June 22, 2005, 11:23:36 AM »

Iquitos, here's the link I found, but I don't think it is the ame Lorenzo.
http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=ZOOOWYFHh2rBRTYD
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« Reply #326 on: June 22, 2005, 11:23:54 AM »

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Joran seems like a typical teen for his social group. You simply can't judge him by US standards, everywhere else in the world teens are clubbing and drinking at Jorans age. US kids drink undeage all the time, too, they just sneak around or drink in cars..and which is more dangerous? Drinking in car or a casino?

I have never seen confirmation that Mr. VDS was in Holland, someone got a link?

Even if J was alone for two days, so what? All the MB students were away from parental supervision fir 5 days. He was only a few weeks from leaving for college.

I don't think that anyone as "depraved" as some of you seem to think he is, would be as successful in school and sports as he seems to be.


ok but who was watching valentijn and the little fat kid?


who is the little fat kid??
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« Reply #327 on: June 22, 2005, 11:24:15 AM »

Just an observation. Paulus van der Sloot HAD to invite Natalee's mom inside the house, since it was BEFORE 10 pm. (After all, everyone made such a big deal that the first time she showed up was in the wee hours of the morning, and that since everyone was using that as an excuse for why he was so confrontational.)
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« Reply #328 on: June 22, 2005, 11:24:41 AM »

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If the statement that he left her on the beach, asleep or hysterical, is true, then maybe that is all he knows.  Even if he had given her a date rape drug or she was upset about something else.  

Perhaps, in order to cover the fact that he sneeked out and was last seen with this missing girl, he tried to present the story in the most favorable light.  Thinking that she would show up.  Now she hasn't, and he's having to fess up to things he'd rather keep hidden.


They wouldnt have made up the holiday Inn story if that story about leavin her at the beach was in fact true...there would have ben no need too...


They might have.  Just to not come off sounding like jerks that left some girl alone on the beach in the middle of the night.
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« Reply #329 on: June 22, 2005, 11:24:44 AM »

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The thing is this if these guys are innocent then why did they change their original story?  If you guys think they are only changing because of the pressures of interrogation (which probably is unlikely in any situation but still possible)  then why haven't they confessed?  Changing their stories isn't going to make the interrogations stop, only make them worse.  If they were really cracking just because of the pressure then they would go all out with a confession to make it stop.  I think that joran probably indirectly or directly had something to do with Natalee's death.  The brothers probably did as well, but Im guessing to a lesser degree than Joran.  That's the reason they lied and invented a story in the first place.


how do we "know" they changed their story?
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« Reply #330 on: June 22, 2005, 11:25:16 AM »

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This is certainly of interest, but let's not lose track of the central thread here. The last time Natalee was SEEN was with JORAN. So, from that point forward, the more important question should be where was HE?

That's exactly what the authorities would be trying to get to, to either confirm or debunk his story of this time, IMO.


You are correct and Joran has no alibi that anyone can confirm where he was,  that has not had a story changed. After his dad picked him up at McD's at 11pm and brought him home ... what then? Father doesn't even know as he has said, thought he was in bed.

Fox News reporting the Joran is changing his story. Ah? When hasn't he changed the story? Maybe the pressure is finally starting to take hold.
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« Reply #331 on: June 22, 2005, 11:25:20 AM »

Cherry:

Of course there are alot of drug crimes!  But, we don't know if Joran is a drug dealer.
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« Reply #332 on: June 22, 2005, 11:25:20 AM »

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Joran seems like a typical teen for his social group. You simply can't judge him by US standards, everywhere else in the world teens are clubbing and drinking at Jorans age. US kids drink undeage all the time, too, they just sneak around or drink in cars..and which is more dangerous? Drinking in car or a casino?

I have never seen confirmation that Mr. VDS was in Holland, someone got a link?

Even if J was alone for two days, so what? All the MB students were away from parental supervision fir 5 days. He was only a few weeks from leaving for college.

I don't think that anyone as "depraved" as some of you seem to think he is, would be as successful in school and sports as he seems to be.


ok but who was watching valentijn and the little fat kid?


who is the little fat kid??

The youngest Van Der Sloot brother as seen in some of the family pictures.
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« Reply #333 on: June 22, 2005, 11:25:25 AM »

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Yes - do you remember being that age...how those things (parents' lives/reputations, parents' trust, etc.) seemed soooo HUGE?  This concept is much discussed around teen suicide, too - the way that things such as this are blown totally out of proportion in the minds of teens.


Everything is a DRAMA when youre a teenager no doubt about that. I dont think that drama leaves seriously until your in your 20s.


I think everything is a DRAMA on these message boards.
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« Reply #334 on: June 22, 2005, 11:25:34 AM »

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Joran was unsupervised 17 yr old. His father was away working on his career. His mother could not control him and dismissed his bad behavior as boys will be boys. Both parents allowed him to drive, drink, gamble all illegal activities for a 17 yr old. Why was he never charged or fined for breaking these laws. And the Dad wants to be a judge!!! He also had his own apt he could come an go as he liked.
Who are they sorry for Joran or themselves as this will probably harm the father's career.


It seems he may have been on the island with no parents on the 27th and 28th.


On GVS last night it was reported the Dad was there, it was the Mom who was in Holland. The Dad picked him up at 11pm and brought him home.


The dad came back to aruba on the at 5pm on the 29th. The mother was not home on the 29th, 30th. I believe they were both away 27th and 28th.


I rest my case...the kid was under no supervision at all!


When I was a junior and senior in high school, my parents went to Europe and left me at home. During my senior year, they gave me increasing freedom, knowing I would soon be off to college. Joran was about to finish his senior year and leave for the States, so I don't think it's that big of a deal that they were a little lax or that they left him home alone.

Did your parents allow you to drink and go to Casinos? Did they knowingly allow you to break laws?
 

DID NATALEES PARENTS LET HER GO TO ARUBA DO THINGS ILLEGAL IN HER OWN GREAT STATE OF ALABAMA AND MOST OF THE OTHER STATES AT THE AGE OF 18?   WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?  NATALEE IS TWO OR THREE YEARS SHORT OF LEGAL DRINKING AND GAMBLING AGE IN THE US WHILE JORAN IS ONLY A MONTH SHORT IN ARUBA.  FOR GENERAL PURPOSES NATAEE AND JORAN ARE THE SAME AGE EDUCATIONALLY AND OTHERWISE.  TWO HIGH SCHOOL SENIORS ABOUT TO GO OUR IN THE WORLD ON THEIR OWN.  DOES DOING SOMETHING WE DON'T ALLOW IN THE US IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY MAKE IT BETTER?  I RESPECTFULLY SUGGEST WE START A SECOND GUESS OTHER PEOPLE'S PARENTING SKILLS BOARD FOR THIS DRIVEL.


You don't have to yell. Natalee did not break any laws. She was in Aruba and abiding by their laws.
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« Reply #335 on: June 22, 2005, 11:25:51 AM »

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The thing is this if these guys are innocent then why did they change their original story?  If you guys think they are only changing because of the pressures of interrogation (which probably is unlikely in any situation but still possible)  then why haven't they confessed?  Changing their stories isn't going to make the interrogations stop, only make them worse.  If they were really cracking just because of the pressure then they would go all out with a confession to make it stop.  I think that joran probably indirectly or directly had something to do with Natalee's death.  The brothers probably did as well, but Im guessing to a lesser degree than Joran.  That's the reason they lied and invented a story in the first place.


how do we "know" they changed their story?


Because the guards said so. Because nearly every MSM says so. If they told one consistent story from the beginning then they would have been let go by now.
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« Reply #336 on: June 22, 2005, 11:25:58 AM »

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The thing is this if these guys are innocent then why did they change their original story?  If you guys think they are only changing because of the pressures of interrogation (which probably is unlikely in any situation but still possible)  then why haven't they confessed?  Changing their stories isn't going to make the interrogations stop, only make them worse.  If they were really cracking just because of the pressure then they would go all out with a confession to make it stop.  I think that joran probably indirectly or directly had something to do with Natalee's death.  The brothers probably did as well, but Im guessing to a lesser degree than Joran.  That's the reason they lied and invented a story in the first place.


how do we "know" they changed their story?


Aruban and international papers,  Joran's mother's story not fitting with the last listed scenario, Aruban and American commentators on the scene, including BHT.
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« Reply #337 on: June 22, 2005, 11:26:06 AM »

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Joran seems like a typical teen for his social group. You simply can't judge him by US standards, everywhere else in the world teens are clubbing and drinking at Jorans age. US kids drink undeage all the time, too, they just sneak around or drink in cars..and which is more dangerous? Drinking in car or a casino?

I have never seen confirmation that Mr. VDS was in Holland, someone got a link?

Even if J was alone for two days, so what? All the MB students were away from parental supervision fir 5 days. He was only a few weeks from leaving for college.

I don't think that anyone as "depraved" as some of you seem to think he is, would be as successful in school and sports as he seems to be.


ok but who was watching valentijn and the little fat kid?


I thought Valentijn was the eldest which would make him older than 18 and the youngest son went to Holland with the mother.  Not to be snarly but it's not necessary to call the little one names.

Valentijn is Joran's younger brother and is approx 15.  He lied on his tickle site when he said he was 19.[/quote

Thanks for the correction.  The problem I find when I try to debate this case is that there is so much rumour and mis-information.  The last case I debated we were able to post links to back up facts and give out opinions based on these with an imo.  This is impossible with this case.
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« Reply #338 on: June 22, 2005, 11:26:18 AM »

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Just an observation. Paulus van der Sloot HAD to invite Natalee's mom inside the house, since it was BEFORE 10 pm. (After all, everyone made such a big deal that the first time she showed up was in the wee hours of the morning, and that explains why he would have been so confrontational.)

He did not HAVE to.  If I was guilty there is no way I would have let her.  I would have told them my lawyer prohibited me talking about it.  He did it out of kindness and wanting to help.  I really think that the parents are not to blame.
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« Reply #339 on: June 22, 2005, 11:27:01 AM »

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Cherry:

Of course there are alot of drug crimes!  But, we don't know if Joran is a drug dealer.


Nancy, I just said what I had heard, and that I would not be surprised if drugs are involved.
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