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« Reply #420 on: June 22, 2005, 11:55:30 AM »

IF any of the four suspects actually know what happened to Natalee then there can only be one reason why they are not breaking....they know for a fact that if they wait this thing out they will get off.  The reason the stories change is because they are lies which are morphing to follow the path of least resistance.
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« Reply #421 on: June 22, 2005, 11:57:17 AM »

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IF any of the four suspects actually know what happened to Natalee then there can only be one reason why they are not breaking....they know for a fact that if they wait this thing out they will get off.  The reason the stories change is because they are lies which are morphing to follow the path of least resistance.


Even the FBI guy on CNN yesterday said that they are going to blow this case if they dont find a body, even in Dutch law systems if thee is no body hard time trying them.
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« Reply #422 on: June 22, 2005, 11:57:26 AM »

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And poor paulus took a while to come to the correct decision to get them in the house and away from the cameras. He hid behind a bush for a long moment trying to decide what to do then took the bull by the horns. very awkward, and very dutch. maybe he had to tell his wife to put her clothes on and tidy up the living room. dutch don't like surprise and go all deer in the headlights when in such situations. they are very orderly and private. and maybe he thought beth was a jehovah's witness.



You are absolutly right  there, b/c did you see paulus his hair looks wet?
Maybe he was taking a shower and was anita alone in the room and he had to put some close on



I agree with both of you, I think there are people here making a mountain out of a mole hill on this topic.

I mean, give me a break...how would any of you honestly act answering the gate to Mrs. Twitty under the circumstances. He wouldn't have known who the hell was at his gate. I'm sure he was flabergasted when he realized it was Mrs. twitty....last thing anyone would expect I'm sure. But hey!! He invited her in! Would any of you honestly have done that or would you have backed away and went back intp the house?  Rolling Eyes


There would have been at least 4 people at his gate and one has a big camera. Also he would not have known who greta is in all probability. Very slim chance.


so your saying that a camera is frightening? come on, the dutch have more fortitude than that.....


After the running to my car situation. nuff said. He isn't a big fan of the big camera.
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« Reply #423 on: June 22, 2005, 11:58:01 AM »

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And poor paulus took a while to come to the correct decision to get them in the house and away from the cameras.  He hid behind a bush for a long moment trying to decide what to do then took the bull by the horns.  very awkward, and very dutch.


Looked to me like he darted out as soon as Beth said she was Natalees mom.


And the first words were "no cameras" if I recall.


He didnt dart too far, he let them in.  And who can blame him for not wanting cameras in his home.  Yall are putting to much blame on them when they did nothing.



Good morning/afternoon all! (((Hugs))

I agree Shell.

I certainly would not people with cameras in my home. I am sure it is more than likely, they have also (being Dutch citizens) been asked to not speak to the media due to legalities.

Most important thing to remember, instead of people STILL picking apart a rather heart felt meeting, is they did not have to ask her in or speak to her. But they asked her right off the bat almost not hearing that she wanted to give prayer card to them.

These are reserved private people, as well as Aruba itself. It is not like they are used to cameras chasing them around and "paparazzi" type behavior.


EXACTLY!! Good point Caligirl
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« Reply #424 on: June 22, 2005, 11:58:02 AM »

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Aruba: Natalee Holloway Would Have Been a One Day Story if Her Name was Lateefah
by: Steve Yuhas
Michael Jackson was found not guilty, Scott Peterson is on death row, there is no “missing” bride to be and Nancy Grace doesn’t have much to talk (or cry) about so it was wonderful when the story of a missing American in Aruba fell right into cable news show laps. The problem with the coverage that 18-year-old Natalee Holloway’s “disappearance” is generating is not that it is being covered, after all it is a story when a person goes missing, but it has been at the top of virtually every newscast for over a month and even I (normally not a skeptical race carder) am wondering if Natalee was named Lateefah (African for gentle or pleasant) if the cable news world would be fixated on her disappearance.
Holloway went missing on May 30th, it is now almost the end of June and still her disappearance is leading the news as if President Bush did not announce he will visit Vietnam, the Congress remains embattled over nominations, American cities are on the verge of bankruptcy and that there is something particularly special about Natalee Holloway. In what should have been a one or two day story where nothing new has been learned, except that the black men taken into custody initially have been released and no charges were conferred against them, the media is fixated on Natalee Holloway and Joran van der Sloot – a 17-year-old being held along with three others in Aruba.
Van der Sloot is the son of an Arubian judge so a judge from a neighboring island, Curacao, was assigned to a case that is quickly growing out of control. Justice officials in Aruba say it is not unusual that in high profile cases that judges come from neighboring islands to assist local judges and keeping Van der Sloot in custody will give police time to either rule him out or create a case against him. Holloway, from Alabama, went to Aruba, a safe island that boasted only one murder in all of 2004, to celebrate her graduation from high school with 124 classmates and 40 chaperones. News appearances by her family suggest that Holloway is the epitome of virtue and that whatever befell her had to be the work of sinister forces, but one has to wonder – why Aruba?As stores sell out of yellow ribbons in her hometown and FBI agents and all of the resources of the Arubian government (including the Prime Minister of the Dutch colony, Nelson Oduber, who told a television audience that finding Holloway was the “number one goal” of the island) are focused on finding the US citizen questions concerning what Holloway was doing the night she presumably vanished have to be asked. It is not enough for Nancy Grace to cry every night or for Greta Van Susteren to take up residence in Aruba to cover the story – no we need more so every night for the last month no news means a full hour of talking about the same thing over and over again.
This is what we know: Natalee Holloway was visiting Aruba, she was staying at the Holiday Inn and on the night before she was to return to the United States she went to a Boyz II Men concert at Surfside beach, stayed until closing time (1:00am) at a bar called Carlos ‘N Charlie’s and was wearing a blue-and-green striped, low-cut blouse, denim miniskirt and sandals. That’s it – that is all we know yet every cable network has not only followed the story, but updates us every hour on the hour with no news to report and reporters are now making the peaceful and safe island of Aruba out to be something akin to visiting Mexico without sufficient bribe money for police officers.
Holloway is consistently described by news outlets as a “teenager” as if she was not of legal age or she had just received her driver’s permit. It is true that she is eighteen, but in Aruba that is old enough to get into bars and clubs and drink the night away (witnesses say that Holloway was drinking the night she disappeared and throughout her stay); Holloway is a missing person, a grown woman, and the idea that this case has become so blown out of proportion baffles me. There is nothing significant about it insofar as a grown woman is missing, there are tons of them all over the United States and the world, but for some reason the blonde hair and consistent statements of her family that she was a “good girl” and her disappearing is “out of character” for her continue to get air play.
I’m not so naďve not to understand that when the news is slow and when your fame and fortune depends on major, high profile cases falling into your lap so that your angry and vitriolic tone can help boost ratings for CNN that you don’t jump at the chance to cover and cry over a story (read: Nancy Grace), but for Greta Van Susteren to cover the case with such vigor is overkill for someone who typically balances out the sensational with the standard and mundane, yet important, legal issues of the day. Something has to explain what it is about Holloway that makes her disappearance so special and the disappearance of so many people that are just normal every day people that they make the headlines so often.
There is no other explanation for the coverage of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance from Aruba and the continuous coverage of it other than the fact that she is a pretty white girl who presumably went missing in Aruba at the suspected hands of an important justice official. Had Natalee been black and had she went missing in Jamaica, I hardly think that Nancy or Greta would be crying (well Nancy would cry because that is what makes Nancy Grace who she is) or taking up residence there. We’ve seen this story play out too many times for me not to believe that there is something about how a presumed victim looks that drives the coverage and that is a sad admission for me to make.
Holloway is a grown woman who went to Aruba because she wanted to have a good time, yes there were chaperones, but where were they when she was in a bar drinking with folks she may have known only for a few days or a week? Where were the chaperones when night fell and the bars closed knowing that she had a plane to catch the next morning to check on her to make sure she was okay? The chaperone to student ratio during her trip was better than the guest to staff rate at a five star hotel – surely someone should have noticed that she was not there. More importantly though: why did Holloway leave, as witnesses have accounted many times, in a car with people if she was the virtuous girl that she was when the bar closed when she should have gone to bed?These are questions that the news simply won’t ask a grieving family looking for their loved one, but someone has to start asking why this story is getting so much attention. Holloway is a grown woman who may have left Aruba on her own accord or may have been the victim of foul play – either way the story is old and tiresome and it almost makes me miss the days of slow speed helicopter coverage of the Michael Jackson convoy arriving at court or the Peterson jury deliberation clock that appeared when the jury was in session.
I’m not a race baiter and not someone who typically looks for trends concerning race, beauty or victim- hood, but in this case there is no other explanation for the amount of coverage Natalee Holloway received for not making her plane back to Mississippi from Aruba. I hate to say it, but there may be something to the notion that it pays to have white skin when it comes to disappearing because I don’t know the face of a single missing black or brown person, but I know plenty of white ones and the one I have seen for a full month has been Natalee Holloway.
I hope they find out what happened to her, if anything, and that she return home safely, but if that is not the case I find myself hoping that one day I’ll recognize a missing black woman when she disappears and hear her mother’s pleas for a safe return in the same volume as I’ve heard for a grown woman from Alabama.
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« Reply #425 on: June 22, 2005, 11:58:03 AM »

does anyone here remember EXACLTY what you did 18 days ago?  If you were questioned about it over and over and over, do you think your memory of 18 days ago could change a little?
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« Reply #426 on: June 22, 2005, 11:58:11 AM »

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so your saying that a camera is frightening? come on, the dutch have more fortitude than that.....


Sorry Rob I have to disagree on that. We are not used to have cameras in front of our nose,I know i as a dutch would react excactly the same, and by the way I don`t think it is typically dutch .
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« Reply #427 on: June 22, 2005, 11:58:13 AM »

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 So why not just tell the truth if they dont have anything at all to hide?


I see I am thinking like several others of you here  --  because 'nothing to hide' is relative.  

The thing I keep thinking about is that I am reading he said "she was sleeping and hysterical" or something like that when he left her on the beach.  Avoiding the obvious contradiction here, I can easily see him trying to throw moves on her  and her winding up crying and telling him to 'leave her alone'  'go away' , things like that. Now, he thinks, in addition to being in trouble for sneaking out, clubbing, and drinking...   this girl may claim attempted rape.


That seems like a likely scenario.  But still doesn't lead to where she is.
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« Reply #428 on: June 22, 2005, 11:58:14 AM »

iquitos, there appears on the face of it to be roughly 7 or 8 major crimes committed in the last 23 days.... thats one evry two to three days.. wonder whats coming next? there is something going on....!!!!
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« Reply #429 on: June 22, 2005, 11:59:17 AM »

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 So why not just tell the truth if they dont have anything at all to hide?


I see I am thinking like several others of you here  --  because 'nothing to hide' is relative.  

The thing I keep thinking about is that I am reading he said "she was sleeping and hysterical" or something like that when he left her on the beach.  Avoiding the obvious contradiction here, I can easily see him trying to throw moves on her  and her winding up crying and telling him to 'leave her alone'  'go away' , things like that. Now, he thinks, in addition to being in trouble for sneaking out, clubbing, and drinking...   this girl may claim attempted rape.


See I dont see what she would be hysterical about? It leaves alot of room for speculation. Plus like you said the obvious contradcition you cant sleep and be hysterical at the same time. Unless she was convulsing or something like that. Still though I wouldnt consider that hysterics.
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« Reply #430 on: June 22, 2005, 12:00:11 PM »

the hysterical on the beach rumor has been floating for a few days.  story was she became hysterical on the beach and joran left her there.  now anita has modified it to sleeping on the beach (after she became hysterical she went to sleep?).  same beach, marriott, where they searched and where deepak says he left them (unconfirmed)  there is a subsequent hysterical woman taken from the front of the HI by two men rumor.  don't discard them but don't take them as fact either.  now we know from mother's mouth that joran told her he left natalee sleeping on the beach.  is that right?
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« Reply #431 on: June 22, 2005, 12:00:42 PM »

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He didnt dart too far, he let them in.  And who can blame him for not wanting cameras in his home.  Yall are putting to much blame on them when they did nothing.


I'm not blaming them for anything. My first instinct would also be a request to remove the cameras. But that doesn't automatically equate with innocence or guilt. Without knowing his true motivation, it's meaningless.
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« Reply #432 on: June 22, 2005, 12:00:54 PM »

I would like to slap the sh*t out of steve yuhas.
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« Reply #433 on: June 22, 2005, 12:01:01 PM »

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does anyone here remember EXACLTY what you did 18 days ago?  If you were questioned about it over and over and over, do you think your memory of 18 days ago could change a little?


Yes, I can and I was a victim of a crime on May 5, 2005 and believe you me I remember every detial, time, face, etc etc etc., so I can also remember exactly what I did or happened more than 18 days ago.  Wink
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« Reply #434 on: June 22, 2005, 12:01:59 PM »

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so your saying that a camera is frightening? come on, the dutch have more fortitude than that.....


Sorry Rob I have to disagree on that. We are not used to have cameras in front of our nose,I know i as a dutch would react excactly the same, and by the way I don`t think it is typically dutch .



 if my son were innocent i would want the whole world to hear my side of it... ms twitty is getting a lotta face time... vd sloot missed his opportunity....
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« Reply #435 on: June 22, 2005, 12:02:05 PM »

This whole thing is nuts, who in the US is going to show up at suspects parents house with the media and expect to be invivted in? I understand the missing girls mothers feelings, but you don't have the right to just show up in this situation. They are trying to protect their son, innocent or guilty. All of this the I'm an and I am gonna American Push you Around Syndrome" This is their country, Americans are guests, the FBI has no business down there. When you travel you follow the rules in the country that you visit. We don't import US law to Aruba. I hope they get it all resolved, but this is not the way to shove our Tabloid News people through the doors all over the world. Insane.
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« Reply #436 on: June 22, 2005, 12:03:29 PM »

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am aruba.  another american busted.  nice way to get back. start arresting americans doing nasty things on the island.

  http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am22jun05.pdf


It just said he was born in America. You don't really want to get back at us. We just want Natalee found. You do that and we'll come down in droves!!
 

Yesterday's lead story in the same publication was about thearrest of an american with a bunch of coke on his person transitting the airport.  may be coincidence but could be start of campaign.  you want crime on aruba, well look what your people are doing here.


I know Aruba is a drug stop over becuase of it location. We don't want crime on your island. I know the DEA works closely with your government. We only want Natalee returned. If you can help with that, you'd be helping Aruba.
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« Reply #437 on: June 22, 2005, 12:03:41 PM »

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so your saying that a camera is frightening? come on, the dutch have more fortitude than that.....


Sorry Rob I have to disagree on that. We are not used to have cameras in front of our nose,I know i as a dutch would react excactly the same, and by the way I don`t think it is typically dutch .



 if my son were innocent i would want the whole world to hear my side of it... ms twitty is getting a lotta face time... vd sloot missed his opportunity....


It seems with the way information does not flow from LE that would jeopardize JVDS even more. 116 days of being held would be a drop in the bucket and MR. VDS would be held then for sure. A media show would surely qualify for obstruction.
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« Reply #438 on: June 22, 2005, 12:03:43 PM »

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 So why not just tell the truth if they dont have anything at all to hide?


I see I am thinking like several others of you here  --  because 'nothing to hide' is relative.  

The thing I keep thinking about is that I am reading he said "she was sleeping and hysterical" or something like that when he left her on the beach.  Avoiding the obvious contradiction here, I can easily see him trying to throw moves on her  and her winding up crying and telling him to 'leave her alone'  'go away' , things like that. Now, he thinks, in addition to being in trouble for sneaking out, clubbing, and drinking...   this girl may claim attempted rape.




See I dont see what she would be hysterical about? It leaves alot of room for speculation. Plus like you said the obvious contradcition you cant sleep and be hysterical at the same time. Unless she was convulsing or something like that. Still though I wouldnt consider that hysterics.


If she was given some drug, say she freaked out, passed out, and that's when he leaves.  Maybe calls the 4th suspect, because that's where he got the drug, and the 4th one takes over.  Finds NH unconscious  or ? and either arranges for her to be hidden, taken off the island or disposed of.
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« Reply #439 on: June 22, 2005, 12:05:06 PM »

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if my son were innocent i would want the whole world to hear my side of it... ms twitty is getting a lotta face time... vd sloot missed his opportunity....


That`s because in the US with such cases it is 'standard'to appear in the media , we as dutch don`t work that way sorry so we`re not used to the same mediathing as americans are.
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