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« Reply #480 on: June 22, 2005, 12:22:22 PM »

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Hi Angie I didn't see you!!

Has Kerin been in??


Hello Cali.. I havnt seen Karin yet.. but that dont mean she wasnt here.. I been running to the TV set listening.. and my washing machine..lol
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« Reply #481 on: June 22, 2005, 12:23:02 PM »

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He didnt dart too far, he let them in.  And who can blame him for not wanting cameras in his home.  Yall are putting to much blame on them when they did nothing.


I'm not blaming them for anything. My first instinct would also be a request to remove the cameras. But that doesn't automatically equate with innocence or guilt. Without knowing his true motivation, it's meaningless.


Agreed LilOrphan.

Everyone reads so much into things that don't matter.

What has happened to anyone truly being moved by such a wonderful display of respect. How many familes involved in crimes (accussed, victims etc) come together NICELY on a common ground in a such a respectful manner.

I was touched and frankly, I am getting really tired of people spending a majority of their time, in what has been a new american past time it seems, picking apart people and their actions.

I swear it seems no one can do right in some of your eyes. They have son sitting in jail/prison. They are victims too. If their son has truly done something, is it right to convict the family too? No, it's not.

Furthermore, if you want to speculate etc. just keep in mind, everyone and I will repeat everyone on both side of this mystery can not keep their story/facts straight.


who made the vd sloots victims?   i think we all know... dont try that old trick of shifting the blame with me.. this reminds me of the mendez brothers, when being sentenced to prision the defense attorney had the gall to say" do nt be to harsh on these boys, after all they have no parents".....please.........


People like you make them victims. <click>


you dont hear me saying i feel sorry for them, i feel contempt... keeping silent and not helping, they created their own mess...
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« Reply #482 on: June 22, 2005, 12:23:45 PM »

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The more we follow this case, the more we realize we don't know anything


Ain't that the truth.
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« Reply #483 on: June 22, 2005, 12:23:58 PM »

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I believe the report from over a week ago, that "something bad happened" and "he will lead us to the body" were actually correct, but someone told the suspect/s to shut-up.


I always find these "facts" the oddest. Then entire statements that weekend from being lead to body, confession, something bad happened, "I killed her" were retracted. Yet some pick and chose apart parts that would still be fact. Why wouldn't everything that was retracted be true?


i also never got past that.....
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« Reply #484 on: June 22, 2005, 12:24:46 PM »

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the hysterical on the beach rumor has been floating for a few days.  story was she became hysterical on the beach and joran left her there.  now anita has modified it to sleeping on the beach (after she became hysterical she went to sleep?).  same beach, marriott, where they searched and where deepak says he left them (unconfirmed)  there is a subsequent hysterical woman taken from the front of the HI by two men rumor.  don't discard them but don't take them as fact either.  now we know from mother's mouth that joran told her he left natalee sleeping on the beach.  is that right?


Is anything known of who Natalee was dancing/drinking with before Joran arrived at C&C?  They arrived there shortly before closing and soon after Natalee left with them.  Maybe someone else at C&C 's had an ulterior motive and Joran arrived and  cut them off at the pass.  Might explain her histerical/sleeping behaviour if she ws slipped a drug shortly before he arrived.


I've always wondered about this myself. Here's a little scenario I came up with.

Natalee was an attractive girl, and even if she didn't date much Im sure she still had plenty of people interested in her.  This person from MB liked Natalee and when he saw her flirting with Joran he was probably jealous. This might be the explanation for the scuffle. Later that night at C&C's he sees Natalee dancing with Joran and gets really jealous.  The marriott where they say they dropped her off at is pretty close to the HI and is on the same beach I believe.  Maybe this said person was walking around and saw natalee their sleeping on the beach and thinking something must have happened between her and joran killed her in a fit of rage.  Their are some serious problems with this, like how he could have hid a body on an island he barely knew, but I still think its an interesting idea.
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« Reply #485 on: June 22, 2005, 12:25:06 PM »

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the hysterical on the beach rumor has been floating for a few days.  story was she became hysterical on the beach and joran left her there.  now anita has modified it to sleeping on the beach (after she became hysterical she went to sleep?).  same beach, marriott, where they searched and where deepak says he left them (unconfirmed)  there is a subsequent hysterical woman taken from the front of the HI by two men rumor.  don't discard them but don't take them as fact either.  now we know from mother's mouth that joran told her he left natalee sleeping on the beach.  is that right?


Is anything known of who Natalee was dancing/drinking with before Joran arrived at C&C?  They arrived there shortly before closing and soon after Natalee left with them.  Maybe someone else at C&C 's had an ulterior motive and Joran arrived and  cut them off at the pass.  Might explain her histerical/sleeping behaviour if she ws slipped a drug shortly before he arrived.


MELROSE, THAT IS WHAT I  AM THINKING TOO.
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« Reply #486 on: June 22, 2005, 12:25:25 PM »

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He didnt dart too far, he let them in.  And who can blame him for not wanting cameras in his home.  Yall are putting to much blame on them when they did nothing.


I'm not blaming them for anything. My first instinct would also be a request to remove the cameras. But that doesn't automatically equate with innocence or guilt. Without knowing his true motivation, it's meaningless.


Agreed LilOrphan.

Everyone reads so much into things that don't matter.

What has happened to anyone truly being moved by such a wonderful display of respect. How many familes involved in crimes (accussed, victims etc) come together NICELY on a common ground in a such a respectful manner.

I was touched and frankly, I am getting really tired of people spending a majority of their time, in what has been a new american past time it seems, picking apart people and their actions.

I swear it seems no one can do right in some of your eyes. They have son sitting in jail/prison. They are victims too. If their son has truly done something, is it right to convict the family too? No, it's not.

Furthermore, if you want to speculate etc. just keep in mind, everyone and I will repeat everyone on both side of this mystery can not keep their story/facts straight.


who made the vd sloots victims?   i think we all know... dont try that old trick of shifting the blame with me.. this reminds me of the mendez brothers, when being sentenced to prision the defense attorney had the gall to say" do nt be to harsh on these boys, after all they have no parents".....please.........


You are comparing apples to oranges here Rob. Mr. & Mrs. Vds to the Menendez brothers? Come on now! You are blowing this out of proportion with this comparison IMO.
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« Reply #487 on: June 22, 2005, 12:26:32 PM »

Hi, All;
Any new developements?
I can't get my eyes to focus yet to read previous pages. I was up wayyyy to late this a.m. in here, hanging on every word.
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« Reply #488 on: June 22, 2005, 12:26:51 PM »

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Aruba is finally playing the race card in its latest addition of is newspaper.   I was a supporter of this Island, but events over the last few weeks and now this article lend me to the belief that our tourism dollars should go else where.   Articles like this  give that crazy loon Dee Fine amo.


While I thought the article was extremely rude it does ring some truth.
How many missing children or persons are in your own area that have not recieved any coverage.
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« Reply #489 on: June 22, 2005, 12:27:06 PM »

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the hysterical on the beach rumor has been floating for a few days.  story was she became hysterical on the beach and joran left her there.  now anita has modified it to sleeping on the beach (after she became hysterical she went to sleep?).  same beach, marriott, where they searched and where deepak says he left them (unconfirmed)  there is a subsequent hysterical woman taken from the front of the HI by two men rumor.  don't discard them but don't take them as fact either.  now we know from mother's mouth that joran told her he left natalee sleeping on the beach.  is that right?


Is anything known of who Natalee was dancing/drinking with before Joran arrived at C&C?  They arrived there shortly before closing and soon after Natalee left with them.  Maybe someone else at C&C 's had an ulterior motive and Joran arrived and  cut them off at the pass.  Might explain her histerical/sleeping behaviour if she ws slipped a drug shortly before he arrived.


MELROSE, THAT IS WHAT I  AM THINKING TOO.


iquitos, did we discuss this? i thought it was said that the boys were at the pool all night....
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« Reply #490 on: June 22, 2005, 12:27:08 PM »

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does anyone here remember EXACLTY what you did 18 days ago?  If you were questioned about it over and over and over, do you think your memory of 18 days ago could change a little?


Yes, I can and I was a victim of a crime on May 5, 2005 and believe you me I remember every detial, time, face, etc etc etc., so I can also remember exactly what I did or happened more than 18 days ago.  Wink


Right, but these girls weren't victims of a crime, and probably had been drinking. I can easily see them forgetting or just simply being misinformed or making a mistake because of being on tv (the tzxi comment for intsance).  It makes a whole lot more sense to me than to say that they are lying about mundane details.


But when you decide to put yourself on the air, I think you would tend more to go with the known and verified facts.

Like I have always said, I am different. I most certainly would have remember the morning no one could find her. I am curious if they were the ones to report it and immediately give information, why does BH and all of us have a completely different timeline, picture etc.


Well most of the details that they were sketchy on were from that night, hence the drinking comment.  Plus people I think are inclined to get things like times and dates wrong, I do it a lot personally, and I can't imagine what I might say if I was on national tv.  I just tend to think that their is a more innocent explanation for their discrepencies, since I don't see any clear reason for them to lie. I'd still be interested in exactly what the story is though now.


so what, i ll be there on saturday and would never just show up at someone house... expecting little dutch cookeis and tea...


Not sure if I see what that has to do with my post. Did you quote the wrong person?
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« Reply #491 on: June 22, 2005, 12:29:01 PM »

I read it. His thesis (as per the article title) is that this is a big story because Natalee is blond and white and whatever.

I disagree and stand by my the statement I made before I read the article.

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I didn't bother reading the 'race card' story. Not worth my time, just another diversion which shows how desperate some are to get rid of the scrutiny.

Dan Rheil had a good insight about the intense coverage:
Behind the scenes I know that some - and certainly some fellow bloggers have questioned the motivations for my Natalee Holloway coverage.

The fact is that from the time I wrote the initial news piece from wire reports, this is what I have always feared. Thanks to the reader with a family member named in this story. Readers name witheld by request.

    Families of those who become crime victims in some foreign countries often learn a hard lesson about getting justice and what little the United States can do about it.


I think that's right on. The fact that the legal system is so different (i.e. we have little or no information), that there is no body, and that we can all identify because it could have happened to any of us (or our children) is what keeps us following this case.


You should read it, it actually outside of the race and attention issues ask some questions of people are not the usual targets in this. No victims rights in that article.
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« Reply #492 on: June 22, 2005, 12:29:16 PM »

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I've always wondered about this myself. Here's a little scenario I came up with.

Natalee was an attractive girl, and even if she didn't date much Im sure she still had plenty of people interested in her.  This person from MB liked Natalee and when he saw her flirting with Joran he was probably jealous. This might be the explanation for the scuffle. Later that night at C&C's he sees Natalee dancing with Joran and gets really jealous.  The marriott where they say they dropped her off at is pretty close to the HI and is on the same beach I believe.  Maybe this said person was walking around and saw natalee their sleeping on the beach and thinking something must have happened between her and joran killed her in a fit of rage.  Their are some serious problems with this, like how he could have hid a body on an island he barely knew, but I still think its an interesting idea.


I like it as an idea but it violates Occam's Razor. Not saying it couldn't happen, but it's a bit too convoluted and complex to be likely.  Didn't BHT say the FBI fully questioned all kids and chaperones?  They're no Keystone Kops; if something looked hinky in any of the stories, they'd be on it.
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« Reply #493 on: June 22, 2005, 12:29:22 PM »

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I STILL THINK THESE TWO ARE CLOSER TO NATALEE THAN OTHERS AMONG US WHO HAVE SPOKEN.  THEY WERE ALMOST SHY, HESITANT, NOT REAHEARSED.  THAT MADE THEM MORE CREDIBLE FOR ME.  RADIO NEWS COMING.  BTW, THEY WERE COMPLIMENTARY OF MRS. TWITTY'S ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT YESTERDAY.  


NOW THEY ARE REPORTING THAT THEY ARE QUESTIONING THE AMERICAN KIDS WHO WERE WITH NATALEE ON ARUBA ...


Iquitos.. you have any new theories?
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« Reply #494 on: June 22, 2005, 12:29:45 PM »

Not saying it is fact not even saying to use it in your version of the story:

Deepaks email does talk about her falling asleep in the car. Timelines by driving would have this happening within 1 hour of leaving CNC's I think.

So for all of the discussion about falling asleep on the beach etc. Another account (true or not) brings up sleep.
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« Reply #495 on: June 22, 2005, 12:29:51 PM »

sorry dt.. it was about their house and house numbers being on tv.. or whatever....
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« Reply #496 on: June 22, 2005, 12:30:33 PM »

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the hysterical on the beach rumor has been floating for a few days.  story was she became hysterical on the beach and joran left her there.  now anita has modified it to sleeping on the beach (after she became hysterical she went to sleep?).  same beach, marriott, where they searched and where deepak says he left them (unconfirmed)  there is a subsequent hysterical woman taken from the front of the HI by two men rumor.  don't discard them but don't take them as fact either.  now we know from mother's mouth that joran told her he left natalee sleeping on the beach.  is that right?


Is anything known of who Natalee was dancing/drinking with before Joran arrived at C&C?  They arrived there shortly before closing and soon after Natalee left with them.  Maybe someone else at C&C 's had an ulterior motive and Joran arrived and  cut them off at the pass.  Might explain her histerical/sleeping behaviour if she ws slipped a drug shortly before he arrived.


I've always wondered about this myself. Here's a little scenario I came up with.

Natalee was an attractive girl, and even if she didn't date much Im sure she still had plenty of people interested in her.  This person from MB liked Natalee and when he saw her flirting with Joran he was probably jealous. This might be the explanation for the scuffle. Later that night at C&C's he sees Natalee dancing with Joran and gets really jealous.  The marriott where they say they dropped her off at is pretty close to the HI and is on the same beach I believe.  Maybe this said person was walking around and saw natalee their sleeping on the beach and thinking something must have happened between her and joran killed her in a fit of rage.  Their are some serious problems with this, like how he could have hid a body on an island he barely knew, but I still think its an interesting idea.


Too little is known about what was going on right before Joran arrived and Natalie left with him.  I'm thinking it's possible that if she was slipped a drug in C&C, Joran and his friends might have just been left with the aftermath of a bad drug/alcohol reaction and panicked.  Could have been someone inside her group.
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« Reply #497 on: June 22, 2005, 12:31:05 PM »

running to tv  NH uncle on now on FOX brb
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« Reply #498 on: June 22, 2005, 12:31:09 PM »

JORAN TOLD MOTHER HE LEFT HER AT MARRIOTT BEACH
MOTHER WAS IN HOLLAND AT TIME OF EVENTS  

DID JORAN LEAVE HER ALONE, OR WITH SOMEONE ELSE?  

WAS SHE ASLEEP WHEN HE LEFT HER?  

RADIO WILL NOW RUN GRETA SHOW

GET ON AND LISTEN!  IT IS A FOOD SOURCE OF INFO.
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« Reply #499 on: June 22, 2005, 12:31:17 PM »

BHT just said (FOX) she knows more individuals need to be persued if I heard it correctly.
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