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« Reply #540 on: June 22, 2005, 12:44:53 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


I think they said the fight happened at the casino, which would have been sometime before C&C.


Cali? Help Casinio or CNC's for the scuffle?
First story was scuffle at casino 1 to 2 days before CnC.

Apparently later, we ere told there might have been a second scuffle at CnC.

Natalee met Joran before the day of CnC. Atleast that has been the story since day 1 and the most consistent. Also it's supported bu BH.


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« Reply #541 on: June 22, 2005, 12:45:41 PM »

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hey i just thought of something.. dont laugh.. but did anyone ever check the elevator shafts in the HI,  maybe she walked back and fell down one.. ... people fall into those all the time, just a though....


After three weeks I would assume someone would smell her decaying corpse.


maybe, maybe not, the air is very dry....
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« Reply #542 on: June 22, 2005, 12:46:11 PM »

Greta just said JVD's father said he wasn't allowed to visit son because of a phone call that was tapped where he told son to not talk, now they think he will impede investigation.  I hadn't heard that, although it was obvious - maybe that's a question Greta asked him last night when they visited with Beth.
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« Reply #543 on: June 22, 2005, 12:46:12 PM »

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BHT just said (FOX) she knows more individuals need to be persued if I heard it correctly.


I wonder if she was referring to the family?


or either some of the kids on the trip.  i mean, how many aruban people does she think are "in" on this?


i say this to mean that i think the mbhs kids have more info than they are saying that they know.


I think that in an attempt to save Natalees reputation alot of things have not been released to the media. Now please know I am NOT saying natalee did anything wrong. I think she was a typical 18 yr old girl in aruba celebrating. She was having a good time as she should have. Just because the media isnt getting what they want out of the interviews (like who she was dancing with, what she was drinking etc etc) doesnt mean that the fbi and aruban govt dont already know. Alot of things can happen when you say you saw her dancing and drinking on a stage. Some ppl can use that to smear her, and I dont think anyone wants that. I guess what Im saying is we really dont know what the interviews conducted by investigators revealed. But i reall dont blame her friends for not saying all the "juicy" details on tv.
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« Reply #544 on: June 22, 2005, 12:46:17 PM »

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I read it. His thesis (as per the article title) is that this is a big story because Natalee is blond and white and whatever.

I disagree and stand by my the statement I made before I read the article.

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I didn't bother reading the 'race card' story. Not worth my time, just another diversion which shows how desperate some are to get rid of the scrutiny.

Dan Rheil had a good insight about the intense coverage:
Behind the scenes I know that some - and certainly some fellow bloggers have questioned the motivations for my Natalee Holloway coverage.

The fact is that from the time I wrote the initial news piece from wire reports, this is what I have always feared. Thanks to the reader with a family member named in this story. Readers name witheld by request.

    Families of those who become crime victims in some foreign countries often learn a hard lesson about getting justice and what little the United States can do about it.


I think that's right on. The fact that the legal system is so different (i.e. we have little or no information), that there is no body, and that we can all identify because it could have happened to any of us (or our children) is what keeps us following this case.


You should read it, it actually outside of the race and attention issues ask some questions of people are not the usual targets in this. No victims rights in that article.


I need to go read the article when I get a moment.  However, I do personally struggle with the "missing, rich, blonde, white-girl syndrome" we all seem to have.  It concerns me because there are many kids missing who don't get this attention, or media focus.  I've decided that this case does in its own way bring attention to missing kids everywhere.  Maybe not in the big way we'd like...but, for instance I suggested to Dash that maybe she and her classmates might work to help others whose children are missing and NOT getting this attention.

I am in FULL support of the Aruban people and their country!  However, adding to the media attention is the early moves by the authorities...Americans love to hate secrecy and the perceived "wrongs" of Aruban LE.
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« Reply #545 on: June 22, 2005, 12:46:21 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


I think they said the fight happened at the casino, which would have been sometime before C&C.


The news article stated that the scuffle happened at an Aruban bar.
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« Reply #546 on: June 22, 2005, 12:47:35 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


I think they said the fight happened at the casino, which would have been sometime before C&C.


Cali? Help Casinio or CNC's for the scuffle?
First story was scuffle at casino 1 to 2 days before CnC.

Apparently later, we ere told there might have been a second scuffle at CnC.

Natalee met Joran before the day of CnC. Atleast that has been the story since day 1 and the most consistent. Also it's supported bu BH.


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lol No I run on little sleep! Usually sleep from 1 or 2am till 6:30am lol
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« Reply #547 on: June 22, 2005, 12:48:16 PM »

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THAT COP ELIO WAS IMPRESSIVE.  HE HAD BEEN CUT OFF FOX D B YESTERDAY.  HE IS A ADVOCATE AND SAYS US PROCEDURE IN MISSING CASES ID TO POLYGRAPH EVERYBODY AROUND THE MISSING PERSON  INCLUDING THE PARENTS.  IT IS A WAY OF WINNOWING OUR SUSPECTS.  HE WAS ON RADIO FM 95.1 YESTERDAY FOR A PROLONGED PERIOD.  LISTEN TO THE ARUBANS.  LET THEM BE YOUR GUIDE.  GRETA IS.  THERE ARE NO SECRETS ON A SMALL ISLAND.


I thought polygraphs were not allowed in Aruba?
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« Reply #548 on: June 22, 2005, 12:48:46 PM »

Anyone knows if the Hotels named, have cameras that cover the beach?
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« Reply #549 on: June 22, 2005, 12:48:53 PM »

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in order for the mbhs ers to be involved the HI front door camera has to be defective....


There is no camera outside at the HI. IOnly at the front desk. This has been stated more than once on TV.
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« Reply #550 on: June 22, 2005, 12:49:54 PM »

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Anyone knows if the Hotels named, have cameras that cover the beach?
some do.....there are beach cams all over...
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« Reply #551 on: June 22, 2005, 12:50:49 PM »

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in order for the mbhs ers to be involved the HI front door camera has to be defective....


There is no camera outside at the HI. IOnly at the front desk. This has been stated more than once on TV.


ok im sure the front desk covers the front door...
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« Reply #552 on: June 22, 2005, 12:51:07 PM »

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BHT just said (FOX) she knows more individuals need to be persued if I heard it correctly.


I wonder if she was referring to the family?


or either some of the kids on the trip.  i mean, how many aruban people does she think are "in" on this?


i say this to mean that i think the mbhs kids have more info than they are saying that they know.


I think that in an attempt to save Natalees reputation alot of things have not been released to the media. Now please know I am NOT saying natalee did anything wrong. I think she was a typical 18 yr old girl in aruba celebrating. She was having a good time as she should have. Just because the media isnt getting what they want out of the interviews (like who she was dancing with, what she was drinking etc etc) doesnt mean that the fbi and aruban govt dont already know. Alot of things can happen when you say you saw her dancing and drinking on a stage. Some ppl can use that to smear her, and I dont think anyone wants that. I guess what Im saying is we really dont know what the interviews conducted by investigators revealed. But i reall dont blame her friends for not saying all the "juicy" details on tv.


oh, i agree wholeheartedly.  what those kids do know, is none of our (ie the general public's) business!  only for the fbi and aruban gov't to know.
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« Reply #553 on: June 22, 2005, 12:51:15 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050621/APN/506210977&cachetime=3&template=dateline.

This article has some of the answers in it, I really think those kids shouldn't have left until they were all questioned by authorities. A lot of little information why it was fresh could have helped.


Holloway's friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos'N Charlies', and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot - a tall, broad-shouldered athlete - got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar. [what was this scuffle about? Drugs, Natalee?}

"I broke it up," said Bryan Reynolds, 18. "It was outside the Carlos'N Charlies' the second night we were there." [Who is Bryan, some older senior, someone who knows Natalee?]

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation. [Is there more details? Why would it hurt the investigation, the family is contantly asking for info from the Arubian Gov't isn't it time the Arubian population know the details of such events prior. ]
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« Reply #554 on: June 22, 2005, 12:51:18 PM »

Could anyone give me new developments from today?  I'm hopelessly falling behind the posts....Thx.
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« Reply #555 on: June 22, 2005, 12:51:41 PM »

I believe I heard yesterday that 2 of the FBI agents are switching assignments and will be going from Bham to Aruba. This is probably a good thing, since these agents have probably interviewed the students that went on the trip and now can be in Aruba to follow-up some of thier storys
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« Reply #556 on: June 22, 2005, 12:51:46 PM »

IT WAS NOT A LAWSUIT.  THIS IS FOX ADHD AGAIN.  THERE WAS A MOTION TO JOIN THE CASE WITH THE PROSECUTOR IAW A DUTCH LEGAL PROVISION THAT ALLOWS THIS.  THIS MOTION WAS BLOWN OFF BY JUDGE POSSIBLY AS PREMATURE (NO ACCUSED YET)  

DEE ON NOW.  WHAT A .... (FILL IN BLANKS), KATZENJAMMER KIDS?
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« Reply #557 on: June 22, 2005, 12:51:49 PM »

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BHT just said (FOX) she knows more individuals need to be persued if I heard it correctly.


I wonder if she was referring to the family?


or either some of the kids on the trip.  i mean, how many aruban people does she think are "in" on this?


i say this to mean that i think the mbhs kids have more info than they are saying that they know.


I think that in an attempt to save Natalees reputation alot of things have not been released to the media. Now please know I am NOT saying natalee did anything wrong. I think she was a typical 18 yr old girl in aruba celebrating. She was having a good time as she should have. Just because the media isnt getting what they want out of the interviews (like who she was dancing with, what she was drinking etc etc) doesnt mean that the fbi and aruban govt dont already know. Alot of things can happen when you say you saw her dancing and drinking on a stage. Some ppl can use that to smear her, and I dont think anyone wants that. I guess what Im saying is we really dont know what the interviews conducted by investigators revealed. But i reall dont blame her friends for not saying all the "juicy" details on tv.


I disagree with your statement concerning Natalee's reputation!  We have NO reason to believe her reputation is any less than what we've read and heard.  She is the victim here.  I'd be the first one to look at Natalee in a different light if we had even ONE fact that leads us to change our view of her!  She is the missing person here...three young men were the last to see her alive...they lied and allowed two other men to sit in jail when they knew damn well they didn't drop her at the HI and never saw two security guards.

Give me some reasons to change my view of Natalee's character and I'll go there...but, until then I will keep my focus on those who saw her last AND lied through their teeth to save their own ******.
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« Reply #558 on: June 22, 2005, 12:52:11 PM »

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Greta just said JVD's father said he wasn't allowed to visit son because of a phone call that was tapped where he told son to not talk, now they think he will impede investigation.  I hadn't heard that, although it was obvious - maybe that's a question Greta asked him last night when they visited with Beth.


I believe someone confirmed that last night with Greta.

I see nothing wrong with him saying that, I mean it's a typical thing any lawyer would tell someone even if they weren't his father.

Not sure if you caught it but Anita's visits with Joran end if she or Joran bring up anything (including media etc) about the case.
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« Reply #559 on: June 22, 2005, 12:53:08 PM »

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Greta just said JVD's father said he wasn't allowed to visit son because of a phone call that was tapped where he told son to not talk, now they think he will impede investigation.  I hadn't heard that, although it was obvious - maybe that's a question Greta asked him last night when they visited with Beth.


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