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« Reply #560 on: June 22, 2005, 12:54:20 PM »

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BHT just said (FOX) she knows more individuals need to be persued if I heard it correctly.


I wonder if she was referring to the family?


or either some of the kids on the trip.  i mean, how many aruban people does she think are "in" on this?


i say this to mean that i think the mbhs kids have more info than they are saying that they know.


I think that in an attempt to save Natalees reputation alot of things have not been released to the media. Now please know I am NOT saying natalee did anything wrong. I think she was a typical 18 yr old girl in aruba celebrating. She was having a good time as she should have. Just because the media isnt getting what they want out of the interviews (like who she was dancing with, what she was drinking etc etc) doesnt mean that the fbi and aruban govt dont already know. Alot of things can happen when you say you saw her dancing and drinking on a stage. Some ppl can use that to smear her, and I dont think anyone wants that. I guess what Im saying is we really dont know what the interviews conducted by investigators revealed. But i reall dont blame her friends for not saying all the "juicy" details on tv.


Lastnight/last chance in Paradise.  Life returns to normal after the plane takes off the next day.  Might explain the scuffle, BHT's saying more people are involved if she got Joran's explanation of the scuffle from his parent's.
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« Reply #561 on: June 22, 2005, 12:54:42 PM »

I guess my concern is that the Holloway family is combing Aruba, and soon the waters nearby for Natalee's body.  I would be horrified at the thought of spending so much time in a body search, when she may be hidden (alive) on the island, or taken to another country. At this point the kidnap trail could be very cold.

I hope and pray Natalee is safe somewhere, but it seems like that's not possible at this point. (I don't think she ran away.)

Why am I concerned? Because this could happen to anyones teenager, and with graduation parties held/planned all over the US this story strikes home with 10's of millions of families. In this situation, it seems like we have a chance to resolve it (3 suspects who saw her last and lied.), as a opposed to a situation where no one is suspect. We don't want to see the possibility of a resolution slip away in this case!

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« Reply #562 on: June 22, 2005, 12:54:49 PM »

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in order for the mbhs ers to be involved the HI front door camera has to be defective....


There is no camera outside at the HI. IOnly at the front desk. This has been stated more than once on TV.


ok im sure the front desk covers the front door...


Possibly but that driveway into the HI has a lot of vegetation.....
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« Reply #563 on: June 22, 2005, 12:54:57 PM »

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in order for the mbhs ers to be involved the HI front door camera has to be defective....


There is no camera outside at the HI. IOnly at the front desk. This has been stated more than once on TV.


We also know there were cameras in the casino as Beth Twitty viewed those tapes in an attempt to ID Joran.
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« Reply #564 on: June 22, 2005, 12:55:26 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050621/APN/506210977&cachetime=3&template=dateline.

This article has some of the answers in it, I really think those kids shouldn't have left until they were all questioned by authorities. A lot of little information why it was fresh could have helped.


Holloway's friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos'N Charlies', and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot - a tall, broad-shouldered athlete - got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar. [what was this scuffle about? Drugs, Natalee?}

"I broke it up," said Bryan Reynolds, 18. "It was outside the Carlos'N Charlies' the second night we were there." [Who is Bryan, some older senior, someone who knows Natalee?]

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation. [Is there more details? Why would it hurt the investigation, the family is contantly asking for info from the Arubian Gov't isn't it time the Arubian population know the details of such events prior. ]


Well, there goes back to the report and statements by BH that Natalee has known Joran a couple days.
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« Reply #565 on: June 22, 2005, 12:55:56 PM »

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Could anyone give me new developments from today?  I'm hopelessly falling behind the posts....Thx.


Nothing new at all..from i am aware of..have been on all morning and browsin the sites
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« Reply #566 on: June 22, 2005, 12:57:39 PM »

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I guess my concern is that the Holloway family is combing Aruba, and soon the waters nearby for Natalee's body.  I would be horrified at the thought of spending so much time in a body search, when she may be hidden (alive) on the island, or taken to another country. At this point the kidnap trail could be very cold.

I hope and pray Natalee is safe somewhere, but it seems like that's not possible at this point. (I don't think she ran away.)

Why am I concerned? Because this could happen to anyones teenager, and with graduation parties held/planned all over the US this story strikes home with 10's of millions of families. In this situation, it seems like we have a chance to resolve it (3 suspects who saw her last and lied.), as a opposed to a situation where no one is suspect. We don't want to see the possibility of a resolution slip away in this case!

icey


Someone should make sure they are feeding her if she is alive.

With that said on an ISLAND, 97,000 people, wouldn't someone, somewhere know something 3 weeks later. If she is alive and being held they have the wrong people in custody.
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« Reply #567 on: June 22, 2005, 12:57:39 PM »

Hi everyone.  I haven't posted much before.  I have been "lurking" and reading occasionally trying to keep up on things.  I am busy w/. 3 kids at home, so my computer time is very erratic and interrupted.  

Some of these thoughts may have been mentioned before, and if so, I apologize.  In regards to the comments made by the security guard who repeated what Deepak told him in prison and the possible "hoax" e-mail posted by Wonder Woman, perhaps these things were spoken or written knowing they would be repeated so these stories would be circulated.  For example, I know that if I want my mom-in-law to know something, but I'm too chicken to tell her myself, I tell my sister-in-law b/c I know she has a big mouth. Surprised  This could be the same thing where Deepak knew Mickey (I think was his name) would repeat exactly what he said, so he gave him the Marriott story.  Ditto the e-mail if it is legit.  Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing what really happened, and we probably won't until the investigation is over.  We may never know.

As far as the boys not breaking under pressure go, we can speculate until the cows come home.  They are are either A - innocent or B - guilty of murder and holding out in case a body is never found or C - know she has been kidnapped and are covering for someone to prevent backlash against their families.  I know this has all been said before, and my point is that we will not know until the investigation is closed.  The more info that is leaked, the more likely the case can be thrown out in the Dutch system.  As much as we all want to know what happened to Natalee, we have to be patient - the Aruban system is different than ours.  As much as we all want news, any news we receive could damage the case.

One final thought of hope:  Elizabeth Smart.  So may people thought she had been murdered and that Richard Ricci buried her in the desert somewhere.  He spent the last days of his life in prison on "unrelated charges, " with suspicions of murdering Elizabeth.  Like the Holloways and Twittys, the Smarts had a strong faith and never relinquished their searching.  We all know the rest of this story...let's hope Natalee's ends the same way, obviously for her families' sake, but for the boys' familes, as well.  Just as Richard Ricci's family suffered as he died an innocent man in prison, the boys' families are suffering, too.  At this point, we do not know if they are guilty or innocent. (I agree their changing stories is suspicious as Hell, but they are also young and immature).  This is a difficult time for all of them.  We did learn a few lessons from Elizabeth Smart that we should all remember.  First of all, things aren't always as they appear.  Second, and most importantly, never give up hope and have faith that miracles DO happen.  Hope and pray that Natalee is found alive and well.
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« Reply #568 on: June 22, 2005, 12:57:52 PM »

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in order for the mbhs ers to be involved the HI front door camera has to be defective....


There is no camera outside at the HI. IOnly at the front desk. This has been stated more than once on TV.


We also know there were cameras in the casino as Beth Twitty viewed those tapes in an attempt to ID Joran.


Correct Nancy and by those tapes BH got her information, so I am more than certain, she was able to establish the timeline she had been reporting.

I am sticking with what we were told since day 1, Natalee met Joran a couple days before she disappeared. Not the same day as reported last night by her friends.
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« Reply #569 on: June 22, 2005, 12:58:23 PM »

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Not sure if you caught it but Anita's visits with Joran end if she or Joran bring up anything (including media etc) about the case.


I caught that, Cali...
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« Reply #570 on: June 22, 2005, 12:58:29 PM »

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BHT just said (FOX) she knows more individuals need to be persued if I heard it correctly.


I wonder if she was referring to the family?


or either some of the kids on the trip.  i mean, how many aruban people does she think are "in" on this?


i say this to mean that i think the mbhs kids have more info than they are saying that they know.


I think that in an attempt to save Natalees reputation alot of things have not been released to the media. Now please know I am NOT saying natalee did anything wrong. I think she was a typical 18 yr old girl in aruba celebrating. She was having a good time as she should have. Just because the media isnt getting what they want out of the interviews (like who she was dancing with, what she was drinking etc etc) doesnt mean that the fbi and aruban govt dont already know. Alot of things can happen when you say you saw her dancing and drinking on a stage. Some ppl can use that to smear her, and I dont think anyone wants that. I guess what Im saying is we really dont know what the interviews conducted by investigators revealed. But i reall dont blame her friends for not saying all the "juicy" details on tv.


I disagree with your statement concerning Natalee's reputation!  We have NO reason to believe her reputation is any less than what we've read and heard.  She is the victim here.  I'd be the first one to look at Natalee in a different light if we had even ONE fact that leads us to change our view of her!  She is the missing person here...three young men were the last to see her alive...they lied and allowed two other men to sit in jail when they knew damn well they didn't drop her at the HI and never saw two security guards.

Give me some reasons to change my view of Natalee's character and I'll go there...but, until then I will keep my focus on those who saw her last AND lied through their teeth to save their own ******.

That is what i was trying to say.....I dont think there is any need as many have speculated "who was she dancing with" etc etc to ask the mbhs kids. It really doesnt matter. All I was saying is it is obvious they arent and shouldnt even say anything to the media bc it would be mis-used or used to tarnish her as a human being. And no one wants that. Sheesh,.
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« Reply #571 on: June 22, 2005, 12:58:30 PM »

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Could anyone give me new developments from today?  I'm hopelessly falling behind the posts....Thx.


Nothing new at all..from i am aware of..have been on all morning and browsin the sites


Maybe it's the calm before the storm.
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« Reply #572 on: June 22, 2005, 12:59:29 PM »

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Not sure if you caught it but Anita's visits with Joran end if she or Joran bring up anything (including media etc) about the case.


I caught that, Cali...

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« Reply #573 on: June 22, 2005, 12:59:41 PM »

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Greta just said JVD's father said he wasn't allowed to visit son because of a phone call that was tapped where he told son to not talk, now they think he will impede investigation.  I hadn't heard that, although it was obvious - maybe that's a question Greta asked him last night when they visited with Beth.


IT WAS A JAILHOUSE CONVERSATION OVERHEARD WAS IT NOT?


No, it was while the 3 were witnesses and being monitored.
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« Reply #574 on: June 22, 2005, 01:00:09 PM »

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Greta just said JVD's father said he wasn't allowed to visit son because of a phone call that was tapped where he told son to not talk, now they think he will impede investigation.  I hadn't heard that, although it was obvious - maybe that's a question Greta asked him last night when they visited with Beth.


IT WAS A JAILHOUSE CONVERSATION OVERHEARD WAS IT NOT?

I don't believe it was a jailhouse conversation based on how Greta talked about it last night.   She said the father said something like:

"I can't see my son because the authorities wiretapped a conversation I had with him telling him not to talk.  What I meant by that was that he was talking about the case to friends in school, and I told him to stop talking to them about it".

Thus, it is my impression that this would have been a conversation that was tapped while Joran was still in school (I think last day was the day before he was arrested).   Which also seems to match with the rumors that the police let the suspects go the first time so they could put sruvellience on them and see what happened.  The fact that they don't have a body or confession would lead me to believe that they did not find out anything while they were watching the suspects.
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« Reply #575 on: June 22, 2005, 01:00:34 PM »

Her friends said she only met JVS the night she dissappeared. He was sitting at the same blackjack table as she and she made small talk with him. No more. Later her friends and she went to CC and saw Joran there. They said they were surprised he was there as he had stated at the Casino there was nothing to do on that night.
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« Reply #576 on: June 22, 2005, 01:01:13 PM »

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in order for the mbhs ers to be involved the HI front door camera has to be defective....


There is no camera outside at the HI. IOnly at the front desk. This has been stated more than once on TV.


We also know there were cameras in the casino as Beth Twitty viewed those tapes in an attempt to ID Joran.


Correct Nancy and by those tapes BH got her information, so I am more than certain, she was able to establish the timeline she had been reporting.

I am sticking with what we were told since day 1, Natalee met Joran a couple days before she disappeared. Not the same day as reported last night by her friends.


Doesn't the email also say that Natalee met joran that day and not earlier like what has been said.
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« Reply #577 on: June 22, 2005, 01:01:14 PM »

{{{{CALI}}}}
I see we get the same amount of sleep each night.  Smile
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« Reply #578 on: June 22, 2005, 01:01:20 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050621/APN/506210977&cachetime=3&template=dateline.

This article has some of the answers in it, I really think those kids shouldn't have left until they were all questioned by authorities. A lot of little information why it was fresh could have helped.


Holloway's friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos'N Charlies', and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot - a tall, broad-shouldered athlete - got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar. [what was this scuffle about? Drugs, Natalee?}

"I broke it up," said Bryan Reynolds, 18. "It was outside the Carlos'N Charlies' the second night we were there." [Who is Bryan, some older senior, someone who knows Natalee?]

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation. [Is there more details? Why would it hurt the investigation, the family is contantly asking for info from the Arubian Gov't isn't it time the Arubian population know the details of such events prior. ]


Well, there goes back to the report and statements by BH that Natalee has known Joran a couple days.


this could mean anything.  "the second night we were there" - that could be the second night of the trip, or either the second night at CnC's, which would be the night she went missing????

that statement is huge.  of course i could be wrong, but i read it to mean the second night of the trip.  jmho.
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« Reply #579 on: June 22, 2005, 01:02:01 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050621/APN/506210977&cachetime=3&template=dateline.

This article has some of the answers in it, I really think those kids shouldn't have left until they were all questioned by authorities. A lot of little information why it was fresh could have helped.


Holloway's friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos'N Charlies', and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot - a tall, broad-shouldered athlete - got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar. [what was this scuffle about? Drugs, Natalee?}

"I broke it up," said Bryan Reynolds, 18. "It was outside the Carlos'N Charlies' the second night we were there." [Who is Bryan, some older senior, someone who knows Natalee?]

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation. [Is there more details? Why would it hurt the investigation, the family is contantly asking for info from the Arubian Gov't isn't it time the Arubian population know the details of such events prior. ]
 

SWEET.  ROXY, GOOD CATCH.  SO THE MB BOYS HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST JORAN AND SO THEY FINGER HIM TO THE TWITTYS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO ARUBA AND THEY GO AFTER HIM.  JORAN IS PNG BECASUE HE IS HITTIN ON THEIR LITTLE GIRLS?   SWEET
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