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« Reply #580 on: June 22, 2005, 01:03:02 PM »

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in order for the mbhs ers to be involved the HI front door camera has to be defective....


There is no camera outside at the HI. IOnly at the front desk. This has been stated more than once on TV.


We also know there were cameras in the casino as Beth Twitty viewed those tapes in an attempt to ID Joran.


Correct Nancy and by those tapes BH got her information, so I am more than certain, she was able to establish the timeline she had been reporting.

I am sticking with what we were told since day 1, Natalee met Joran a couple days before she disappeared. Not the same day as reported last night by her friends.



I have never seen or read a definitive fact about when Natalee met Joran.  I think it was Dash, or one of the other classmates who said he was seen with her group of friends during the week they were in Aruba.  Not sure that means they met before, or even if this is a fact.  We might want to ask Dash about this again.  

There are some of her friends on Fox right now.
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« Reply #581 on: June 22, 2005, 01:03:10 PM »

Two of natalees friends on FOx now.
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« Reply #582 on: June 22, 2005, 01:03:28 PM »

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« Reply #583 on: June 22, 2005, 01:03:55 PM »

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Her friends said she only met JVS the night she dissappeared. He was sitting at the same blackjack table as she and she made small talk with him. No more. Later her friends and she went to CC and saw Joran there. They said they were surprised he was there as he had stated at the Casino there was nothing to do on that night.


At some point we WILL know which of the meetings is true several days before or that day. Depending on which it is. The credibility of some will be serverly comprismised.
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« Reply #584 on: June 22, 2005, 01:04:24 PM »

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Aruba is finally playing the race card in its latest addition of is newspaper.   I was a supporter of this Island, but events over the last few weeks and now this article lend me to the belief that our tourism dollars should go else where.   Articles like this  give that crazy loon Dee Fine amo.


While I thought the article was extremely rude it does ring some truth.
How many missing children or persons are in your own area that have not recieved any coverage.


It is because of Natalee's mother that this case has had so much press (I hope Mom would do the same for me). In the beginning (before they went on the defensive) the Aruban media also gave it a lot of press. This week, however, the tourism agency in Aruba has told the media to put a lid on it, I think. Now you will only read reports in their papers about how bad Fox is and the "pushy" Americans.
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« Reply #585 on: June 22, 2005, 01:04:33 PM »

Yeah, it may not be a huge issue but the whole "when did they meet" question is bugging me.
A few days before?
The afternoon/night of the disappearance?
OR...would she have met Joran on the day/night of this "scuffle"? Because even in the scuffle story I have read 2 versions. One is it happened at the casino and one is it happened outside C&C's.
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« Reply #586 on: June 22, 2005, 01:05:16 PM »

Friends aren't saying anything really, except that it was crowded.
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« Reply #587 on: June 22, 2005, 01:05:53 PM »

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SWEET.  ROXY, GOOD CATCH.  SO THE MB BOYS HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST JORAN AND SO THEY FINGER HIM TO THE TWITTYS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO ARUBA AND THEY GO AFTER HIM.  JORAN IS PNG BECASUE HE IS HITTIN ON THEIR LITTLE GIRLS?   SWEET


Well, the FBI hasn't qualms about questioning people and being suspicious of them, or keeping them rather than letting them go off for days before arresting them. So if one or more of the MBH kids stories were suspicious, you can bet the FBI would be pursuing it, regardless of who the kids fathers were.  So if your hunch is correct, they're certainly following up on it here where they have jurisdiction.
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« Reply #588 on: June 22, 2005, 01:06:33 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


I think they said the fight happened at the casino, which would have been sometime before C&C.


Cali? Help Casinio or CNC's for the scuffle?
First story was scuffle at casino 1 to 2 days before CnC.

Apparently later, we ere told there might have been a second scuffle at CnC.

Natalee met Joran before the day of CnC. Atleast that has been the story since day 1 and the most consistent. Also it's supported bu BH.


According to Natalee's close friends, and the Deepak e-mail if you believe it, Natalee met Joran the day she disappeared. There were reports that Joran had been hanging around at the HI casino and with the Alabama group, but he may not have met Natalee personally until she introduced herself to him on Sunday.
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« Reply #589 on: June 22, 2005, 01:07:17 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050621/APN/506210977&cachetime=3&template=dateline.

This article has some of the answers in it, I really think those kids shouldn't have left until they were all questioned by authorities. A lot of little information why it was fresh could have helped.


Holloway's friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos'N Charlies', and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot - a tall, broad-shouldered athlete - got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar. [what was this scuffle about? Drugs, Natalee?}

"I broke it up," said Bryan Reynolds, 18. "It was outside the Carlos'N Charlies' the second night we were there." [Who is Bryan, some older senior, someone who knows Natalee?]

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation. [Is there more details? Why would it hurt the investigation, the family is contantly asking for info from the Arubian Gov't isn't it time the Arubian population know the details of such events prior. ]



Thank you I have said this from day 1.  In order for them to resolve this they have to know everything.  What about any computers in the US, at the school, at home etc... and another question and I will probably get heat from this.   I as a mother  I would question her friends and the chaperones as to the whole time there.   And I would do this in person not on the phone.
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« Reply #590 on: June 22, 2005, 01:07:19 PM »

They said they thought natalee was in another room.

She said she doesn't think natalee was drunk when they(the friends) left at 12:15

They reaffirmed that Natalee met Joran that night I think they said 9:30?
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« Reply #591 on: June 22, 2005, 01:07:19 PM »

You will all probably think I am nuts, but just go with me for a min. Think simple and under your nose so to speak.
Suppose JVD is telling the truth as far as leaving Natalee sleeping on the beach (In a drugged sleep)
Suppose someone had been watching them and knew he could not waken her which is why he left her.
Or someone stumbles on her whatever anyway they take she is not resisting, she is passed out.
She could be hold up in some drug addicts house away from the tourist area that they would never even think of looking.
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« Reply #592 on: June 22, 2005, 01:08:01 PM »

Well said carolinagirl.. Wink
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« Reply #593 on: June 22, 2005, 01:08:26 PM »

THEY MET JVDS AT 9:30 at the casino.

So what happened to the concert?
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« Reply #594 on: June 22, 2005, 01:08:34 PM »

iquitos, what is this about katzenjammer kids?
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« Reply #595 on: June 22, 2005, 01:08:56 PM »

Here is one thing though...
since every person telling the story of when Natalee and Joran met have said that they met in the HI casino, it should be easy enough to pull security tapes for the ENTIRE week to pinpoint exactly the date and time of their initial meeting and "who approached who" (for those who think that an important point).
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« Reply #596 on: June 22, 2005, 01:09:26 PM »

They did not tell or notice til 9:15 am that she was gone.
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« Reply #597 on: June 22, 2005, 01:09:38 PM »

Fox now 2 more from MB, Madison (roomie) & Guy. Madison: 9:30 Sun night @ BJ table!
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« Reply #598 on: June 22, 2005, 01:10:28 PM »

If you think like a teenager, there is no way the alabama kids are not communicating about this--email, the every present text messaging, cell calls.

I also would be really disappointed if at least some of this is being watched by the FBI.
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« Reply #599 on: June 22, 2005, 01:10:46 PM »

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They did not tell or notice til 9:15 am that she was gone.


But notice the first thing they did was search the other hotel rooms.
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