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« Reply #600 on: June 22, 2005, 01:10:46 PM »

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Her friends said she only met JVS the night she dissappeared. He was sitting at the same blackjack table as she and she made small talk with him. No more. Later her friends and she went to CC and saw Joran there. They said they were surprised he was there as he had stated at the Casino there was nothing to do on that night.


At some point we WILL know which of the meetings is true several days before or that day. Depending on which it is. The credibility of some will be serverly comprismised.


her roomate on fox right now said contrary to popular belief they first met Joran 9:30 at night in the casino on the 29th
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« Reply #601 on: June 22, 2005, 01:10:56 PM »

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Her friends said she only met JVS the night she dissappeared. He was sitting at the same blackjack table as she and she made small talk with him. No more. Later her friends and she went to CC and saw Joran there. They said they were surprised he was there as he had stated at the Casino there was nothing to do on that night.


At some point we WILL know which of the meetings is true several days before or that day. Depending on which it is. The credibility of some will be serverly comprismised.


I agree. Again, we are having conflicting stories, this just being so disturbing because it's from witnesses who were witht he victim. I am just really bothered because BH had stated over and over Natalee knew Joran a couple days as also some friends. This always lead me to see how she would feel comfortable perhaps leaving with him. If she did, only have a brief encounter and meeting with him before CnC, I have many questions as to why then, after knowing someone so briefly, being described as "Level-headed" etc, she left with him.

I mean, it's the only facts we have or are allowed to have but as always I am starting to see other then the cold hard fact that she is missing, we have no other facts.
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« Reply #602 on: June 22, 2005, 01:12:49 PM »

A quick point right here..!

By ALL accounts, these MB kids generally stayed up till all hours of the night, if they slept at all. Sleep was an afterthought for them for 4-5 DAYS (kind of reminds me of all of us!), I suspect they catnapped in the daytime in spurts and watched the sun rise... you get the picture. In a situation like that THE DAYS ALLL BLEND TOGETHER in a jumbled mass.  Therefore, I think we need to take specific time/day notations by those kids on the trip with a HUGE grain of salt!

I suspect the only time those kids ever looked at a clock was to make sure they didn't miss a start time for an event like a concert or snorkling trip etc. Which is why I am not putting too much into the report about them seeing Papa VDS at McDonalds at 3 AM. That could easily be a mistake due to the blur of time.
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« Reply #603 on: June 22, 2005, 01:12:49 PM »

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You will all probably think I am nuts, but just go with me for a min. Think simple and under your nose so to speak.
Suppose JVD is telling the truth as far as leaving Natalee sleeping on the beach (In a drugged sleep)
Suppose someone had been watching them and knew he could not waken her which is why he left her.
Or someone stumbles on her whatever anyway they take she is not resisting, she is passed out.
She could be hold up in some drug addicts house away from the tourist area that they would never even think of looking.


I am not going to argue with your speculation (partly because I am too tired) but I wonder just how many cases of "beach abduction by drug addicts" there are in Aruba? Iquitos?
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« Reply #604 on: June 22, 2005, 01:13:27 PM »

Perhaps he was around the group earlier in the week, but NH didn't actually 'meet' him until Sunday night.  She would have been somewhat familiar with him from his hanging out around the MBHS group.
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« Reply #605 on: June 22, 2005, 01:13:32 PM »

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With a new timeline of 12-12:30 JVDS and friends getting to CNC when did the scuffle happen? And if it did happen as MBHS'ers say wouldn't that be a reason Natalee keep JVDS away from her friends and why they left her there?


http://www.tuscaloosanews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050621/APN/506210977&cachetime=3&template=dateline.

This article has some of the answers in it, I really think those kids shouldn't have left until they were all questioned by authorities. A lot of little information why it was fresh could have helped.


Holloway's friends saw van der Sloot both in the casino at the hotel where they were staying and at Carlos'N Charlies', and a friend of Holloway said van der Sloot - a tall, broad-shouldered athlete - got into a scuffle with some of the Mountain Brook guys at the bar. [what was this scuffle about? Drugs, Natalee?}

"I broke it up," said Bryan Reynolds, 18. "It was outside the Carlos'N Charlies' the second night we were there." [Who is Bryan, some older senior, someone who knows Natalee?]

Reynolds didn't elaborate, and Barron said people who went on the trip aren't publicly discussing details of what happened in Aruba at the request of Holloway's family, which fears the publicity could hamper the investigation. [Is there more details? Why would it hurt the investigation, the family is contantly asking for info from the Arubian Gov't isn't it time the Arubian population know the details of such events prior. ]
 

SWEET.  ROXY, GOOD CATCH.  SO THE MB BOYS HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST JORAN AND SO THEY FINGER HIM TO THE TWITTYS BEFORE THEY EVEN GET TO ARUBA AND THEY GO AFTER HIM.  JORAN IS PNG BECASUE HE IS HITTIN ON THEIR LITTLE GIRLS?   SWEET


Someone on SM said the FBI went to Birmingham and questioned all chaperones and students, some 2 or 3 times to make certain there were no inconsistencies.
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« Reply #606 on: June 22, 2005, 01:14:17 PM »

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Her friends said she only met JVS the night she dissappeared. He was sitting at the same blackjack table as she and she made small talk with him. No more. Later her friends and she went to CC and saw Joran there. They said they were surprised he was there as he had stated at the Casino there was nothing to do on that night.


At some point we WILL know which of the meetings is true several days before or that day. Depending on which it is. The credibility of some will be serverly comprismised.


I agree. Again, we are having conflicting stories, this just being so disturbing because it's from witnesses who were witht he victim. I am just really bothered because BH had stated over and over Natalee knew Joran a couple days as also some friends. This always lead me to see how she would feel comfortable perhaps leaving with him. If she did, only have a brief encounter and meeting with him before CnC, I have many questions as to why then, after knowing someone so briefly, being described as "Level-headed" etc, she left with him.

I mean, it's the only facts we have or are allowed to have but as always I am starting to see other then the cold hard fact that she is missing, we have no other facts.


level headedness tends to go away when people drink.
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« Reply #607 on: June 22, 2005, 01:14:19 PM »

Help me out here- I'm a little late signing on this morning- Is Van Der Sloot changing his story as to say that "he left her on the beach asleep'??

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« Reply #608 on: June 22, 2005, 01:15:06 PM »

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Here is one thing though...
since every person telling the story of when Natalee and Joran met have said that they met in the HI casino, it should be easy enough to pull security tapes for the ENTIRE week to pinpoint exactly the date and time of their initial meeting and "who approached who" (for those who think that an important point).


Exactly Kerin! I have to gather that since Beth watched all of those tapes and saw Joran on the tape, her statements of "natalee knew Joran a couple of days" would be more correct. She seems like a fact stickler.

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« Reply #609 on: June 22, 2005, 01:15:13 PM »

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Yeah, it may not be a huge issue but the whole "when did they meet" question is bugging me.
A few days before?
The afternoon/night of the disappearance?
OR...would she have met Joran on the day/night of this "scuffle"? Because even in the scuffle story I have read 2 versions. One is it happened at the casino and one is it happened outside C&C's.


PROBABLY TWO SCUFFLES. WE NOW HAVE A NAME DATE AND PLACE ON ONE.  THE OTHER ONE MAY BE ON SECURITY FILM.  IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CRIMINAL CASE.  SO IS WHO WAS NATALEE WITH AT CARLOS AND CHARLIES WHEN  IF I WERE DEFENDING OR JUDGING JORAN I WOULD WANT TO KNOW THE BEFORE AS WELL AS THE AFTER.  NOW, WE ARE TOLD THAT THE FBI IS GATHERING THESE FACTS BUT I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS INFORMATION GATHERED OVERSEAS WILL BE ADMITTED TO THE LOCAL CASE.  THEE ARE TWO ISSUES HERE:  FINDING NATALEE, AND PUNISHING THOSE INVOLVED IN HER DISAPPEARANCE.   THEY ARE HOPELESSLY INTERTWINED.  RADIO SIGNING OFF?
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« Reply #610 on: June 22, 2005, 01:15:58 PM »

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Perhaps he was around the group earlier in the week, but NH didn't actually 'meet' him until Sunday night.  She would have been somewhat familiar with him from his hanging out around the MBHS group.


Or more likely, she met him before but her friends weren't around or just didn't notice it.
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« Reply #611 on: June 22, 2005, 01:16:12 PM »

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Help me out here- I'm a little late signing on this morning- Is Van Der Sloot changing his story as to say that "he left her on the beach asleep'??

Thanks


That is what is going around now. That is supposedly what jorans mother said
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« Reply #612 on: June 22, 2005, 01:16:44 PM »

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Aruba is finally playing the race card in its latest addition of is newspaper.   I was a supporter of this Island, but events over the last few weeks and now this article lend me to the belief that our tourism dollars should go else where.   Articles like this  give that crazy loon Dee Fine amo.


While I thought the article was extremely rude it does ring some truth.
How many missing children or persons are in your own area that have not recieved any coverage.


It is because of Natalee's mother that this case has had so much press (I hope Mom would do the same for me). In the beginning (before they went on the defensive) the Aruban media also gave it a lot of press. This week, however, the tourism agency in Aruba has told the media to put a lid on it, I think. Now you will only read reports in their papers about how bad Fox is and the "pushy" Americans.



I have the deepest respect for Natalees mom , she has to be one of the strongest woman I have ever met ( well you know what I mean) but don't you think every mother with a missing child is screaming for answers.
Not every mom has the money or resourses behind them.
There are many Americans missing in different countries but with no coverage.
I am glad Natalee is getting this coverage because her mom deserves answers but I wish other parents could get a fraction of this coverage because they deserve answers too.
So like I said there is a ring of truth in that article even though it was the most heartless thing I have ever read. Sometimes the truth is ugly.
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« Reply #613 on: June 22, 2005, 01:16:52 PM »

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Her friends said she only met JVS the night she dissappeared. He was sitting at the same blackjack table as she and she made small talk with him. No more. Later her friends and she went to CC and saw Joran there. They said they were surprised he was there as he had stated at the Casino there was nothing to do on that night.


At some point we WILL know which of the meetings is true several days before or that day. Depending on which it is. The credibility of some will be serverly comprismised.


I agree. Again, we are having conflicting stories, this just being so disturbing because it's from witnesses who were witht he victim. I am just really bothered because BH had stated over and over Natalee knew Joran a couple days as also some friends. This always lead me to see how she would feel comfortable perhaps leaving with him. If she did, only have a brief encounter and meeting with him before CnC, I have many questions as to why then, after knowing someone so briefly, being described as "Level-headed" etc, she left with him.

I mean, it's the only facts we have or are allowed to have but as always I am starting to see other then the cold hard fact that she is missing, we have no other facts.


To add to this no one from the MB has said that Natalee didn't leave willingly which would be out of charachter as well if the real story is no real history between them.
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« Reply #614 on: June 22, 2005, 01:17:11 PM »

let's interview more of VDS' friends.
His father told him not to talk about the case because he was "shooting off his mouth."  Let's find out who he was shooting off his mouth to and what he was saying.  
Maybe these are some of the people that BHT wants to talk to.
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« Reply #615 on: June 22, 2005, 01:17:20 PM »

I noticed Aruban attorney Lincoln Gomez graduated from St. Leo College, a rather small school in Florida; the very same college JVDS was already admitted to (possibly receiving a full scholarship).

Does anyone in Aruba know if JVDS received a referral or recommendation from Gomez?
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« Reply #616 on: June 22, 2005, 01:17:26 PM »

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Friends aren't saying anything really, except that it was crowded.


We've now heard from 6 different MB students. Am I the only one who has heard 3 different versions of when the realized she was missing (so who was waiting in the lobby?), when NH met J?

Also, if met him at 9:30 Sun nite at BJ table, what about the SBF concert?
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« Reply #617 on: June 22, 2005, 01:17:30 PM »

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Help me out here- I'm a little late signing on this morning- Is Van Der Sloot changing his story as to say that "he left her on the beach asleep'??

Thanks


That is what is going around now. That is supposedly what jorans mother said


Thanks-  One would think at her age if she had meet Joran earlier that she would have told this to her "best" friends- you know talking all that guy stuff
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« Reply #618 on: June 22, 2005, 01:17:39 PM »

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Perhaps he was around the group earlier in the week, but NH didn't actually 'meet' him until Sunday night.  She would have been somewhat familiar with him from his hanging out around the MBHS group.


Or more likely, she met him before but her friends weren't around or just didn't notice it.


I'm thinking that maybe they were eyeing one another earlier, but finally made a move on the last night.
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« Reply #619 on: June 22, 2005, 01:18:21 PM »

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Here is one thing though...
since every person telling the story of when Natalee and Joran met have said that they met in the HI casino, it should be easy enough to pull security tapes for the ENTIRE week to pinpoint exactly the date and time of their initial meeting and "who approached who" (for those who think that an important point).


Exactly Kerin! I have to gather that since Beth watched all of those tapes and saw Joran on the tape, her statements of "natalee knew Joran a couple of days" would be more correct. She seems like a fact stickler.

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 Very Happy  Very Happy Yeah and that's why I love you, Cali. But yes...we have to break this down to what everyone knows to be FACT and the fact is that YES, Natalee and Joran DID meet and talk and it happened in the HI casino. From there, I have heard about 5 stories of when that happened. So, now you start looking at FACTS (video) to get the proof of the meeting.
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