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« Reply #640 on: June 22, 2005, 01:27:17 PM »

If you consider the Deepak email to be authentic, and furthermore their time of arrival at the bar to be truthful.... then the theorized "drugging" of natalee by JVS and company doesn't really fit.

JVS arrives at 12:30 bar closes at 1... that's a 30 minute gap. Now consider Natalee has already had her fair share of drinks leading up to this point. I don't know about you but the drinks don't go down as smooth after you have already had your fair share. In order for JVS to drug her he would have to hand her a drink upon his immediate arrival to the bar, which doesn't make much sense. Furthermore, I speculate it would take NH a good 25 plus minutes to even finish the drink after already having her fair share...especially if she was dancing.

Perhaps she and some of the MBHS boys (and girls who knows) voluntarily drugged themselves to make their last ngiht of vacation special?

Or perhaps MBHS boys could have slipped something into Natalees drink? (They were with her the majority of the drinking window that night)

Where do the MBHS students get the drugs from? Consider this scenerio: IT has already been reported that some of the students took the Tatoo boat with DJ Steve Croes....
...Some of the boys make friends with Croes (not common I have befriended and drank with DJ's on past trips).... They get to talking, Croes offers a connect for drugs if they are looking for it... one thing leads to another....

...Perhaps that is why Croes has been reported as cooperating with authorites.. many of you have even speculated he may just be a witness


I belive that is the more likely scenerio. As to what happened after leaving CC, I do not really know. MY guess would be that Nat OD's... JVS and the boys panic and get rid of the body...they know it doesn't look good since they were the last ones with her... which could explain why they act as if they are guilty.
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« Reply #641 on: June 22, 2005, 01:27:47 PM »

Is there a transcript of the interview that dash and the boy did--I thought he said that Joran had been around earlier.  

Maybe not, but that just is not sitting right about now.

if no transcript, did anyone tivo it.

This guy said he had even been with some locals, remember.
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« Reply #642 on: June 22, 2005, 01:29:10 PM »

May not be a good time to mention this but one of my students, on her Mexican senior trip, has been "missing" since last night. I don't want to say a lot more but I ask that you guys maybe say a prayer for her today.
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« Reply #643 on: June 22, 2005, 01:29:44 PM »

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Friends aren't saying anything really, except that it was crowded.


We've now heard from 6 different MB students. Am I the only one who has heard 3 different versions of when the realized she was missing (so who was waiting in the lobby?), when NH met J?

Also, if met him at 9:30 Sun nite at BJ table, what about the SBF concert?


Maybe they left the concert early.  

Again you need to take the times given by students who had gotten little sleep and had probably been drinking with a grain of salt.


ARE THE STUDENTS UNRELIABLE WITNESSES?  OR MAYBE IT WAS BEFORE THE CONCERT BUT THEN WHERE WAS JORAN BETWEEN THEN AND 1 PM WHEN HE MET DAD AT MIKKIE DEE?  MAYBE NATALEE AND JORAN WENT TOGETHER TO THE CONCERT. DID THE MB BOYS FOLLOW HIM TO MIKKIE DEE OR WAS SOME MB KID HAVING A BIG MAK THING?  ?
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« Reply #644 on: June 22, 2005, 01:29:55 PM »

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While I thought the article was extremely rude it does ring some truth.
How many missing children or persons are in your own area that have not recieved any coverage.


But this case isn't unique in that respect.  Why does the MSM pick any particular case?  Take the Scott / Laci Peterson case.  Neither was a celebrity (like OJ or Kobe Bryant).  Thousands of people are murdered in this country.  The MSM exist to make money.  They make money by attracting viewers, which boosts their ratings, which drives up advertising revenue.  That's how the system works.  Any "ordinary" murder, rape or missing person case isn't going to attract attention in and of itself.  There has to be something(s) unique to create drama.  This case has it and it is definitely MORE than that this girl is white and blonde.
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« Reply #645 on: June 22, 2005, 01:30:05 PM »

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May not be a good time to mention this but one of my students, on her Mexican senior trip, has been "missing" since last night. I don't want to say a lot more but I ask that you guys maybe say a prayer for her today.


OMG kerin, please keep us posted
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« Reply #646 on: June 22, 2005, 01:30:57 PM »

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Is there a transcript of the interview that dash and the boy did--I thought he said that Joran had been around earlier.  

Maybe not, but that just is not sitting right about now.

if no transcript, did anyone tivo it.

This guy said he had even been with some locals, remember.


I RECALL HE DID SAY THAT.
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« Reply #647 on: June 22, 2005, 01:30:59 PM »

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Fox now 2 more from MB, Madison (roomie) & Guy. Madison: 9:30 Sun night @ BJ table!


Since I'm almost certain some of the other kids on the trip reported that Joran was seen with the group of Natalee's friends prior to the last evening, I think I'd like to hear from more of the kids.

One important note...with so many kids all in different activities throughout the week, some may not have seen things that others did.  It's just common sense that 140 kids all have different experiences and saw various things during their stay.  One group of kids may have seen Joran for the first time that night at 9:30pm while others may have been in a completely different area days before and seen him as well.

It's very hard to judge until more kids speak to this.


The friends were pretty clear last night, and stated that they were setting the record straight of the how and when Natalee met VDS.
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« Reply #648 on: June 22, 2005, 01:31:23 PM »

Oh Kerin, please keep us posted. We'll pray for her too. Any info at this point? Where in Mexico?
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« Reply #649 on: June 22, 2005, 01:32:25 PM »

I am more confused after hearing the kids talk on TV.... no wonder the family and FBI are telling them not to talk because it only causes specualtion and more rumors. I don't think any of them fully remember because they were drinking and because at the time it wasn't important for them to notice things going on around them. the kids aren't halping any more then the guys is custody
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« Reply #650 on: June 22, 2005, 01:33:18 PM »

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If she did, only have a brief encounter and meeting with him before CnC, I have many questions as to why then, after knowing someone so briefly, being described as "Level-headed" etc, she left with him.


Perhaps NH was more trusting than she otherwise would be, believing JVDS' dad was a judge on island, thus giving her a false sense of security.
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« Reply #651 on: June 22, 2005, 01:34:40 PM »

in Veracruz. I don't have a lot of details. I am trying to reach some of the chaperones. all I know is she did not return to her hotel last night and her roommate (1) reported it to the adults this morning about 5 am.
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« Reply #652 on: June 22, 2005, 01:35:16 PM »

the boy in the interview with dash, Ed, said that he had made friends witha a waiter since he spoke fluent spanish....
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« Reply #653 on: June 22, 2005, 01:35:34 PM »

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Hi all from the sweltering midwest ...
Someone today said something that made me wonder if there were any live camera feeds on Aruba so I did a search - found just one. Anyone know if Bucuti Beach has been mentioned in ref. to Natalee at all? This webcam from Bucuti Beach archives pictures on the beach back to January 2005. Think it might be worthwhile to search back to the last days that Natalee was seen? Here's the link;

http://www.bucuticam.com/index.html

Seeker  (PS ... I hope this isn't posted more than once - I keep getting the page to try again later. I checked after each one and it didn't look like my post was getting through.)


the bucuti is about 1.5 miles from  the HI..sorry if someone already answered...
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« Reply #654 on: June 22, 2005, 01:35:36 PM »

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Friends aren't saying anything really, except that it was crowded.


We've now heard from 6 different MB students. Am I the only one who has heard 3 different versions of when the realized she was missing (so who was waiting in the lobby?), when NH met J?

Also, if met him at 9:30 Sun nite at BJ table, what about the SBF concert?


Maybe they left the concert early.  

Again you need to take the times given by students who had gotten little sleep and had probably been drinking with a grain of salt.


ARE THE STUDENTS UNRELIABLE WITNESSES?  OR MAYBE IT WAS BEFORE THE CONCERT BUT THEN WHERE WAS JORAN BETWEEN THEN AND 1 PM WHEN HE MET DAD AT MIKKIE DEE?  MAYBE NATALEE AND JORAN WENT TOGETHER TO THE CONCERT. DID THE MB BOYS FOLLOW HIM TO MIKKIE DEE OR WAS SOME MB KID HAVING A BIG MAK THING?  ?


I don't know if the students as a whole are unreliable, I think you have to take into context each ones story.  Ask them things like: How much were you drinking that night?  How much sleep had you had that day or the night before? Were you using any drugs?  Where were you in relation to Natalee?  How much are you relying upon what others are saying to fill in the details of your own?

I think a lot of misinformation can spread very quickly in a case like this.  And even those who were closist to her that night might not be reliable for any number of reasons.
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« Reply #655 on: June 22, 2005, 01:36:56 PM »

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May not be a good time to mention this but one of my students, on her Mexican senior trip, has been "missing" since last night. I don't want to say a lot more but I ask that you guys maybe say a prayer for her today.


OMG Kerin...  she is in my prayers.. !!  Im trying to get caught up reading.. left for 30 minutes ..
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« Reply #656 on: June 22, 2005, 01:37:21 PM »

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in Veracruz. I don't have a lot of details. I am trying to reach some of the chaperones. all I know is she did not return to her hotel last night and her roommate (1) reported it to the adults this morning about 5 am.


Are you kidding?!?!  This is dreadful.  Please keep us posted!!! I hope we don't have to add a second missing kid forum to this one.  I'm sending good thoughts that way.
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« Reply #657 on: June 22, 2005, 01:37:35 PM »

Found it.

Someone is lying.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.
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« Reply #658 on: June 22, 2005, 01:38:04 PM »

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Does anyone know what day the kids arrived in Aruba?  I remember Dash or someone saying they were there only 4 days and the first day they were "jet lagged" and just hung by the pool.


I had heard that they left the day after their graduation and that it was a 5-day trip. So it COULD be they arrived on Thursday, May 26. Not sure but
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« Reply #659 on: June 22, 2005, 01:38:30 PM »

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May not be a good time to mention this but one of my students, on her Mexican senior trip, has been "missing" since last night. I don't want to say a lot more but I ask that you guys maybe say a prayer for her today.


OMG Kerin!

I will say a prayer!
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