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« Reply #660 on: June 22, 2005, 01:39:03 PM »

thanks everyone. sorry, I keep getting a CGI error? anyway, she is not "blonde and blue eyed" which some people think may be an issue (?) but she is a good kid.
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« Reply #661 on: June 22, 2005, 01:39:19 PM »

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Fox now 2 more from MB, Madison (roomie) & Guy. Madison: 9:30 Sun night @ BJ table!


Since I'm almost certain some of the other kids on the trip reported that Joran was seen with the group of Natalee's friends prior to the last evening, I think I'd like to hear from more of the kids.

One important note...with so many kids all in different activities throughout the week, some may not have seen things that others did.  It's just common sense that 140 kids all have different experiences and saw various things during their stay.  One group of kids may have seen Joran for the first time that night at 9:30pm while others may have been in a completely different area days before and seen him as well.

It's very hard to judge until more kids speak to this.


The friends were pretty clear last night, and stated that they were setting the record straight of the how and when Natalee met VDS.


My thoughts are this.

BH probably knows when Natalee met Joran through Joran himself. Either the day they first met or the subsequent interrogations.  

The friends probably weren't around Natalee the whole time, and she could have easily met VDS without them knowing it.  

The friends probably don't have access to the info BH has and think that she is relying on rumors, or maybe they dont know she thinks her daughter met him two days ago.

Thus they think they are setting the record straight.

Or maybe NH's mom was just misinformed, who knows.
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« Reply #662 on: June 22, 2005, 01:39:43 PM »

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Found it.

Someone is lying.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.


I agree- I from my OPO believe that she must have known him well enough to trust him- if this isn't her regular level-headed way
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« Reply #663 on: June 22, 2005, 01:39:57 PM »

Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Found it.

Someone is lying.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.


 Wink So now I am not the only suspicious person looking at all of this.  Wink
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« Reply #664 on: June 22, 2005, 01:40:16 PM »

Kerin...I will say a prayer for your student's safe return...I am sorry.
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« Reply #665 on: June 22, 2005, 01:40:16 PM »

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Friends aren't saying anything really, except that it was crowded.


We've now heard from 6 different MB students. Am I the only one who has heard 3 different versions of when the realized she was missing (so who was waiting in the lobby?), when NH met J?

Also, if met him at 9:30 Sun nite at BJ table, what about the SBF concert?


Okay I need someone to fill in the missing time frame or adjust it, slide it to accomodate the time line.


May29th Sunday

8am-10pm       Sleep, breakfast?

10am-2pm .      Happy Hour Snorkel Sail with depalm Tours the Afternoon of.
Take in all the pleasures of the sea by enjoying a half-day sail and snorkel experience on Aruba's newest catamaran. Lulled by the rhythm of the sea, lie on the spacious sun deck or enjoy a cocktail under the shaded cabin top. When you are ready to experience the beauty of the sea below the waterline let our friendly crew assist you as you prepare for your snorkeling adventure. Snorkeling stops include the coral-laden Antilla wreck, fish-friendly Boca Catalina and the unique Arashi reef. During your snorkel experience indulge in a delicious lunch prepared by top island chefs or sample a cool tropical drink or beer from the open bar.


2pm-7?pm.        sleep, shower, drink, eat? pack? take pictures?

5pm?         Paul Van Der Sloot Arrives in Beatrix Airport with young son Valentijn? Did Joran pick up his father?

7pm-11pm       MUSIC CONCERT
Havana Beach Club
Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach) 7-11:00 p.m.
Lauryn Hill,Boyz II Men, Hosted by Doug E. Fresh

8pm-10pm      Joran won 4th place in a Poker Tournament?

11pm         Paul picks up son Joran at McDonalds?.

11.30pm-1.30am    Carlos and Charlies. Approx 40 MB student were there..

12.00am-1.30am    Joran arrives with Kalpoes Bros?

1.30am-2.30am   Cruising at California Lighthouse, Fisherman’s Hut/Beach?

2.30am-3.00am   Joran’ s house??

If I leave here tomorrow
would you still remember me
For I must be travelling on now
there's too many places I gotta see
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« Reply #666 on: June 22, 2005, 01:40:22 PM »

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You will all probably think I am nuts, but just go with me for a min. Think simple and under your nose so to speak.
Suppose JVD is telling the truth as far as leaving Natalee sleeping on the beach (In a drugged sleep)
Suppose someone had been watching them and knew he could not waken her which is why he left her.
Or someone stumbles on her whatever anyway they take she is not resisting, she is passed out.
She could be hold up in some drug addicts house away from the tourist area that they would never even think of looking.


I am not going to argue with your speculation (partly because I am too tired) but I wonder just how many cases of "beach abduction by drug addicts" there are in Aruba? Iquitos?


I AM SURE THERE IS PLENTY OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF DRUNK OR DRUGGED WOMEN GOING ON AT ANY TOURIST RESORT WHETHER BY LOCALS OR OTHER TOURISTS.  AT A LATE HOUR MORE LIKELY TO BE A LURKING LOCAL   I THINK A FATAL DRUG REACTION IS IN THE CARDS.  THIS DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE MISSING BODY.
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« Reply #667 on: June 22, 2005, 01:40:35 PM »

Have the police been notified yet KerinTX??????
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« Reply #668 on: June 22, 2005, 01:41:12 PM »

Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Found it.

Someone is lying.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.


Thank you so much for finding this!  This is why I think it's very hard to determine when they first met without statements from several of the kids!!!  I'm sure the FBI covered this when interviewing them all.   As I said before, there are so many kids and so many different experiences it's wrong IMO to firmly establish their first meeting.

The kid who made this statement, a boy, seemed very observant.  He actually reported seeing Natalee an hour later than Dash..which has confused me via the timeline.  It's part of this interview maybe K in Texas can post the link and we can take another look.
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« Reply #669 on: June 22, 2005, 01:41:36 PM »

KerinTX,

That is horrible, I think if we have all learned one thing so far being missing outside of this country presents a whole new set of challenges we never think about.
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« Reply #670 on: June 22, 2005, 01:41:54 PM »

thanks again...and I am hopeful that it is NOTHING.

anyway, Cali, what do you make of all the differing timelines of them meeting?
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« Reply #671 on: June 22, 2005, 01:42:13 PM »

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Quote from: "Another K in Texas"
Found it.

Someone is lying.

O'REILLY: Now, did you know Van Der Sloot? Did -- how did you know who he was?

KISSEL: I didn't know him, but I had seen -- he had been around the hotel and the casino with her and with her friends, her closer friends, just hanging out around the hotel for the last few days, two or three days.


 Wink So now I am not the only suspicious person looking at all of this.  Wink


He doesn't say what he means by hanging around, they could have just been at the same table and he mistook that as them hanging out.  I just dont see the motivation for someone to lie in a situation like this.
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« Reply #672 on: June 22, 2005, 01:42:38 PM »

T think we need to look closely at every thing he said.  Especially if--even as just the drug suppliers--we put the Alabama kids back into the mix.
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« Reply #673 on: June 22, 2005, 01:43:20 PM »

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thanks everyone. sorry, I keep getting a CGI error? anyway, she is not "blonde and blue eyed" which some people think may be an issue (?) but she is a good kid.

 Wink  I don't care if she's purple, with red hair and pink eyes lol

She's missing. That part I care about. I just feel like stalking more daughter more these days. I was barely able to let her to to the YMCA day camp this summer and that was before all of these things. The world is a sick crazy place no matter where you are or what you do. We can all teach our kids safety etc but sad thing is, sometimes there's just no being safe.
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« Reply #674 on: June 22, 2005, 01:44:00 PM »

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May not be a good time to mention this but one of my students, on her Mexican senior trip, has been "missing" since last night. I don't want to say a lot more but I ask that you guys maybe say a prayer for her today.


Maybe she can get a separate topic...please let the admin know...
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« Reply #675 on: June 22, 2005, 01:44:07 PM »

Quote from: "Compananzi"
Quote from: "CancunMole"
Quote from: "DT"
Friends aren't saying anything really, except that it was crowded.


We've now heard from 6 different MB students. Am I the only one who has heard 3 different versions of when the realized she was missing (so who was waiting in the lobby?), when NH met J?

Also, if met him at 9:30 Sun nite at BJ table, what about the SBF concert?


Okay I need someone to fill in the missing time frame or adjust it, slide it to accomodate the time line.


May29th Sunday

8am-10pm       Sleep, breakfast?

10am-2pm .      Happy Hour Snorkel Sail with depalm Tours the Afternoon of.
Take in all the pleasures of the sea by enjoying a half-day sail and snorkel experience on Aruba's newest catamaran. Lulled by the rhythm of the sea, lie on the spacious sun deck or enjoy a cocktail under the shaded cabin top. When you are ready to experience the beauty of the sea below the waterline let our friendly crew assist you as you prepare for your snorkeling adventure. Snorkeling stops include the coral-laden Antilla wreck, fish-friendly Boca Catalina and the unique Arashi reef. During your snorkel experience indulge in a delicious lunch prepared by top island chefs or sample a cool tropical drink or beer from the open bar.


2pm-7?pm.        sleep, shower, drink, eat? pack? take pictures?

5pm?         Paul Van Der Sloot Arrives in Beatrix Airport with young son Valentijn? Did Joran pick up his father?

7pm-11pm       MUSIC CONCERT
Havana Beach Club
Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach) 7-11:00 p.m.
Lauryn Hill,Boyz II Men, Hosted by Doug E. Fresh

8pm-10pm      Joran won 4th place in a Poker Tournament?

11pm         Paul picks up son Joran at McDonalds?.

11.30pm-1.30am    Carlos and Charlies. Approx 40 MB student were there..

12.00am-1.30am    Joran arrives with Kalpoes Bros?

1.30am-2.30am   Cruising at California Lighthouse, Fisherman’s Hut/Beach?

2.30am-3.00am   Joran’ s house??

If I leave here tomorrow
would you still remember me
For I must be travelling on now
there's too many places I gotta see


I'm confused about the Kalpoe brothers and when they arrived and connected with Joran and Natalee?  Were the brothers ever reported to be in the casino?  How did they connect with the two?  Did Joran call them for a ride?  Or, did Natalee and Joran just run into them when they left? Wonder where the brothers were that evening?  And again, why would the younger brother be out so late?  Lots of questions?
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« Reply #676 on: June 22, 2005, 01:44:18 PM »

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You will all probably think I am nuts, but just go with me for a min. Think simple and under your nose so to speak.
Suppose JVD is telling the truth as far as leaving Natalee sleeping on the beach (In a drugged sleep)
Suppose someone had been watching them and knew he could not waken her which is why he left her.
Or someone stumbles on her whatever anyway they take she is not resisting, she is passed out.
She could be hold up in some drug addicts house away from the tourist area that they would never even think of looking.


I am not going to argue with your speculation (partly because I am too tired) but I wonder just how many cases of "beach abduction by drug addicts" there are in Aruba? Iquitos?


I AM SURE THERE IS PLENTY OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF DRUNK OR DRUGGED WOMEN GOING ON AT ANY TOURIST RESORT WHETHER BY LOCALS OR OTHER TOURISTS.  AT A LATE HOUR MORE LIKELY TO BE A LURKING LOCAL   I THINK A FATAL DRUG REACTION IS IN THE CARDS.  THIS DOES NOT EXPLAIN THE MISSING BODY.


Of course it does.  If joran or one of his friends gave her the drugs or drugged her then they would be in big trouble. Hence the motivation to hide the body.
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« Reply #677 on: June 22, 2005, 01:44:38 PM »

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159764,00.html

 He also said he heard people talk about him.
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« Reply #678 on: June 22, 2005, 01:44:42 PM »

I leave here tomorrow
would you still remember me
For I must be travelling on now
there's too many places I gotta see..



You could find this in most any senior yearbook especially one's in Alabama. It's a pretty common thing to write.I don't think it holds anything pertaining to her disappearance. Good song.....
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« Reply #679 on: June 22, 2005, 01:44:45 PM »

While on the trip.. have any of the MB kids stated at anytime during the trip before NH went missing.. IF she stayed out all night and didnt return any of the other days? Maybe this was asked long ago.. I know when I was younger.. things like that happened.. and friends covered our backs.. I was curious to know ??
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