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« Reply #980 on: June 22, 2005, 04:08:28 PM »

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You guys are blaming Aruba for their laws on not letting the dogs arrive there before proper proceedure is done? Heck, this is done in EVERY single country. And it's just the way it is.


Hawaii has a 6 month quarantine even coming from the mainland US.


But Aruba doesn't.


You are a member of the Gezondheid Dienst in Aruba?


Oh, come on, get off my case. I know because I have taken my poodle there three times, it was easy, and I know others who have taken theirs. The only restriction are on the airplanes. I am just frustrated because I see know harm in this rescue team going to Aruba, it will cost Aruba nothing, and who knows, could help get some closure on this case. It just looks like another roadblock.


Hi I have been lurking for a long time now and never posted ... but I just want to mention the delay "may" be due to airline restrictions.  I have three dogs and I have flown a few times, commercial airlines have very strict rules with regard to wether they will alow the dogs to fly I believe if it is above 85 degrees the will not let the dogs fly. So if the rescue team was not able to get a charter plane this could account for the hold up


I had not heard there was a charter plane problem, just heard Trappenberg say something about these dogs not being FBI dogs and there are restrictions. These search dogs can only ride in the cabin and require their own seat.
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« Reply #981 on: June 22, 2005, 04:08:45 PM »

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nancy, actually as far as computer forensics, I do know quite a little bit about what I speak as well.  While you may cover a story and provide an email of sorts with headers to the FBI, literally that isn't the end of it, especially if the email has been forwarded. You're discounting that either the FBI, the Dutch or the Aruban authorities haven't already commandeered the original from the original sender's computer or other accounts, if this is a true scenario.  I'd submit there is a more than 50% chance they already have it, if it's real.   Considering that we have no idea (there's no "facts" just speculation) about what the authorities (I could give a crap about the media, that's just self serving glad-handing to me) have or haven't looked at, all of it is speculation.


O.K. live in your delusions.  I'm just not willing to go along for the ride.


That was rather condescending and insulting. I am not sure you would like people to say what they think about yor post in that fashion.


Yes, I suppose it was. I meant it to be. I don't mind anyone believing whatever they want.  However, when the forum starts referring to this email as fact and also continues to push it's validity, beyond reason...it's irritating.

There were MANY very bright and learned posters last night who gave very intelligent comments on this email.  I'm glad it's been sent to authorities, they will handle it.

But, until I hear otherwise I refuse to get involved in discussing an email that has NO verifiable source.  I suggest a new thread be started for those interested in following this email theory.  I think it's wrong to keep it here.


First there is another thread. Second the fact of sending it elsewhere was brought up by another poster. Third no one that you are currently posting with states that it is real. Your tone has changed from helping to judgemental and unaccepting. Yet your words contridict this.
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« Reply #982 on: June 22, 2005, 04:09:20 PM »

Does anyone else think the salutation ("How are you i hope you and your family is fine") is odd?

More importantly, is the June 5 date consistent with:

Reference to having retained a lawyer? (I didn't think Deepak had one until all three boys were arrested - about a week later.)

Reference to "the crazy things the news writes about us" (I don't think the media had the Kalpoe boys' names this early on.)

Does anyone here remember?
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« Reply #983 on: June 22, 2005, 04:09:57 PM »

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Rob, I always figured you to have an accent like maybe...hmmm...Robert DeNiro, not Gomer Pyle.


you talkin ta me?

<OFF TOPIC> Laughing Sorry -- had to laugh. Good comeback, Rob. <OFF TOPIC>
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« Reply #984 on: June 22, 2005, 04:10:11 PM »

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cali/aboslut - add the "facts" re: the HI camera/s.  

I still find it odd that Arubaam reported that 2 guards in black were seen on the footage outside the front of the hotel and that coincedentally matches the original story given by JVDS/K's....to my recollection the HI security did not dress in black and since MIckey John and the other guy were no longer employed next door at the Allegro, were there new guards there?

Also would love to know more of MJ and co-workers alibis..anyone have link to info on that?


Tuber..I also saw that.

To my knowledge, we were only told they had alibi's and that they checked out. Then, again we are told many things  Laughing  I wonder...

I also go back thinkign tot he woman who just came back from Aruba, who recognized one as someone who bothered her in a odd (to say the least) manner.

If they don't have anything to do with the case, I am curious why we can know those facts? Oh, wait, they *conviently* overheard Deepak or had a convo with him. Oh, what a "coinwinkiedink* guess they can't talk now.

Hmm never thought about that before.. now they are in the investigation.. hummmm
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« Reply #985 on: June 22, 2005, 04:10:20 PM »

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"I think I walked away with the confirmation that we still have some individuals that we need to pursue," she said. (BH)

My Speculation...

1. Any or all the security guards that night present at the Soul Beach Festival.
2. Any or all the security guards @ the Holliday Inn.
3. Previous mentioned Beach bum or choller who pointed to seeing Natalee walking away with Black security guards.
4. The MB boys during the altercation at CnC.
5. Any or all guys that she may have been in contact with during the Soul Beach Festival, Snorkeling trip that day, and if in Casino review all the tapes and any male local or non MB student that may have had a conversation with Nat.


well that boils it down to about 23,000 people....


1. Could it be that much? I figure 5 security guards, probably 2 possible strong suspect.
2. Zero guards from Holiday Inn, since they would have been hauled in already.
4. 2-3 MB guys I figure, probably just one.
5. Maybe one or 2 from the casino if any.
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« Reply #986 on: June 22, 2005, 04:10:27 PM »

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RB...just curious but you are a male, correct?

Absolut, you too?


Male here. Every 6 seconds I am reminded of it.
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« Reply #987 on: June 22, 2005, 04:10:28 PM »

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What infomation do you have to verify that the feeding area on the north coast is untrue?  I have heard the exact opposite.  And isn't it true the sharks feed during the night and early morning?  If anything it would be easier for him to take her to see them at night.. I think?


My wife is Aruban and all her family lives down there.  I talk to them all of the time and this rumor has been there for a long time.  The problem is that they used to dump things (such as butcher's waste and other biodegradables) on the north coast a long time ago.  (And it was never as a way to feed sharks as much as to get rid of waste that wouldn't necessarily smell too good baking under the Aruban sun...)  My understanding from the family is that this stopped somewhere between 8-10 years ago, but of course, the rumors never die.

This is what I've been told.  It could be wrong, but I've had too much family tell me that it is absolutely untrue.
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« Reply #988 on: June 22, 2005, 04:10:46 PM »

absolut go to your pm...
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« Reply #989 on: June 22, 2005, 04:11:35 PM »

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cali/aboslut - add the "facts" re: the HI camera/s.  

I still find it odd that Arubaam reported that 2 guards in black were seen on the footage outside the front of the hotel and that coincedentally matches the original story given by JVDS/K's....to my recollection the HI security did not dress in black and since MIckey John and the other guy were no longer employed next door at the Allegro, were there new guards there?

Also would love to know more of MJ and co-workers alibis..anyone have link to info on that?


Don't think we can add the cameras as fact. Some say no cameras some say front desk, some say not working.
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« Reply #990 on: June 22, 2005, 04:12:34 PM »

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cali/aboslut - add the "facts" re: the HI camera/s.  

I still find it odd that Arubaam reported that 2 guards in black were seen on the footage outside the front of the hotel and that coincedentally matches the original story given by JVDS/K's....to my recollection the HI security did not dress in black and since MIckey John and the other guy were no longer employed next door at the Allegro, were there new guards there?

Also would love to know more of MJ and co-workers alibis..anyone have link to info on that?


i believe last night cancun mole said that the concert security guys were staying at the HI and they wore black shirts and slacks...cancun???
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« Reply #991 on: June 22, 2005, 04:12:43 PM »

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nancy, actually as far as computer forensics, I do know quite a little bit about what I speak as well.  While you may cover a story and provide an email of sorts with headers to the FBI, literally that isn't the end of it, especially if the email has been forwarded. You're discounting that either the FBI, the Dutch or the Aruban authorities haven't already commandeered the original from the original sender's computer or other accounts, if this is a true scenario.  I'd submit there is a more than 50% chance they already have it, if it's real.   Considering that we have no idea (there's no "facts" just speculation) about what the authorities (I could give a crap about the media, that's just self serving glad-handing to me) have or haven't looked at, all of it is speculation.


O.K. live in your delusions.  I'm just not willing to go along for the ride.


That was rather condescending and insulting. I am not sure you would like people to say what they think about yor post in that fashion.


Yes, I suppose it was. I meant it to be. I don't mind anyone believing whatever they want.  However, when the forum starts referring to this email as fact and also continues to push it's validity, beyond reason...it's irritating.

There were MANY very bright and learned posters last night who gave very intelligent comments on this email.  I'm glad it's been sent to authorities, they will handle it.

But, until I hear otherwise I refuse to get involved in discussing an email that has NO verifiable source.  I suggest a new thread be started for those interested in following this email theory.  I think it's wrong to keep it here.


First there is another thread. Second the fact of sending it elsewhere was brought up by another poster. Third no one that you are currently posting with states that it is real. Your tone has changed from helping to judgemental and unaccepting. Yet your words contridict this.


Listen, I know I come off crabby...and I am at times.  I'm tough about facts, etc.  I also know what it feels like to receive an email like this...it's a very weird feeling...to be so close to a story, etc.  But, logic and intelligence has to take over a some point.

Getting through these threads is hard enough, but reposting and discussing this email ad nauseum is irritating when there are so many case topics more central to solving the case.

I apologize for being rude...and forcing the PM's to fly...but, so much of what is is discussed her is fantasy...we need to know the difference!!!

Carry on...
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« Reply #992 on: June 22, 2005, 04:13:29 PM »

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cali/aboslut - add the "facts" re: the HI camera/s.  

I still find it odd that Arubaam reported that 2 guards in black were seen on the footage outside the front of the hotel and that coincedentally matches the original story given by JVDS/K's....to my recollection the HI security did not dress in black and since MIckey John and the other guy were no longer employed next door at the Allegro, were there new guards there?

Also would love to know more of MJ and co-workers alibis..anyone have link to info on that?


Tuber,, I will look for it for you  Wink
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« Reply #993 on: June 22, 2005, 04:14:07 PM »

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There's discussion of Scared Monkeys on Hasibokos:

http://www.hasibokos.com/


Woo Hoo--great job  Very Happy
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« Reply #994 on: June 22, 2005, 04:16:34 PM »

Since I'm well aware whenever I ruffle feathers there are whispers I am here as a journalist to grab a story....

Tom has my info and I've given him permission to assure anyone who gets in touch with him that I'm not working as a journalist.

I'm here as a crabby old broad who is serious about studying this case!!!

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« Reply #995 on: June 22, 2005, 04:16:44 PM »

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to my recollection the HI security did not dress in black and since MIckey John and the other guy were no longer employed next door at the Allegro, were there new guards there?

Also would love to know more of MJ and co-workers alibis..anyone have link to info on that?


Mickey and Abraham were at the Soul Beach festival, if I remember correctly, Mickey was there with his wife and a family friend, don't know who Abraham was there with, but there have also been posts on here that both Joran and Natalee (not necessarily together) were also there, as well as some other members of the school group, and a good chunk of the population of Aruba. The festival was apparently a pretty big deal.

My assumption about the Mickey and Deepak jailhouse chat is that it may have been a failsafe, in case neither the alibi nor lack of evidence was enough to get him out, the fact that he had had a conversation with another suspect could impact any eventual case against either of them.

The interesting thing there is that LeJuez was originally representing both Mickey and Abraham, but was asked by the prosecutors to withdraw from Abraham's case, ostensibly because Abraham had originally said that he did not go to the Soul Beach Festival, and later said that he did, anyway my "conspiracy theory" for that one is that an arrangement was made that would allow the two to chat in order to throw a wrench into any case against Deepak.

There have been reports that guards hired for the festival wore black, but neither Abraham nor Mickey were working as guards for the festival, the shirt that was found was white, and neither Mickey nor Abraham were employed as guards for anybody on that night, their contract having come to an end the day before.

I will also repeat my caution against anyone's assumption that any person wearing black and carrying a walkie talkie is a security guard.
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« Reply #996 on: June 22, 2005, 04:17:21 PM »

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Since I'm well aware whenever I ruffle feathers there are whispers I am here as a journalist to grab a story....

Tom has my info and I've given him permission to assure anyone who gets in touch with him that I'm not working as a journalist.

I'm here as a crabby old broad who is serious about studying this case!!!

:::Smile:::


gee, you figured that all out on your own.....
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« Reply #997 on: June 22, 2005, 04:18:58 PM »

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"I think I walked away with the confirmation that we still have some individuals that we need to pursue," she said. (BH)

My Speculation...

1. Any or all the security guards that night present at the Soul Beach Festival.
2. Any or all the security guards @ the Holliday Inn.
3. Previous mentioned Beach bum or choller who pointed to seeing Natalee walking away with Black security guards.
4. The MB boys during the altercation at CnC.
5. Any or all guys that she may have been in contact with during the Soul Beach Festival, Snorkeling trip that day, and if in Casino review all the tapes and any male local or non MB student that may have had a conversation with Nat.


How about Joran's father.....
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« Reply #998 on: June 22, 2005, 04:19:17 PM »

ting water sport guys carry walkie talkies, but dont dress like sec, guards. they leave around 5 pm...
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« Reply #999 on: June 22, 2005, 04:19:55 PM »

:::singing her daughter's kindergarten graduation song to calm everyone::: lol It's fitting  Very Happy

All the world is a rainbow
What color are you?
Are you red, black, or white,
Are you yellow or brown,
Are you some other shade or hue?

All the world is a rainbow
And the sky needs all of me and all of you.
All of me, all of you
All our brothers and sisters too.
We can live, we can give
All of me and you.

All the world is a melody.
What note are you?
Are you high, are you low?
Are you fast, are you slow?
Are you sour or in sweet harmony?

All the world is a melody
And the song needs all of me and all of you.
All the world is a tapestry, I,m woven in with you
All the world is a restless sea, I'm just a wave like you.

All the world is just a stage
What role have you?
Are you good, are you bad?
Are you happy or sad?
Are you weak, strong, false or true?

All the world is just a stage
And the play needs all of me and all of you.

K sowwy.. go back to your posting  Wink
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