Lively Case Discussion #506 8/4 - 8/6/2006

[SunFreak2]

New Front Page Post:

 It is obvious that Team Tacopina fear the facts as they would squelch procedurally any type of trial held in the United States.

I agree Red.  Why else would Taco be trying to claim this exonerated his clients, when Joran is still the lead suspect in the case.  All of them are still trying to spin & manipulate.  That speaks volumes that they are still troubled with all of this.  Their guilt is showing.

[SunFreak2]

I wonder if Beth had it to do over again if she would (1) trust Scuba and Julia Renfro, (2) trust Greta, (3) apologize to Ho Island for calling the amigoes criminals, (4) trust Dr. Phil (5) TJ Ward, (6) Charles Croes.

I am not saying she should not have trusted Skeeters, TSE or Art Wood but some of these other slugs that have been in her life are lower than pond scum, right next to joran, paulus and anita.

I think they would have done like Jug said.  Block that car in and not budge till it was examined. They probably would have followed each suspect from day 1 as well, staying with them like white on rice.

[Anna]

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I hope anyone feeling despondent will read Hammer's most uplifting post from I believe it was this morning.

This is just a bump in the road to justice.  I am in it or the long haul.  The judge's ruling does not make the three culprits less guilty nor Natlaee less missing.  It changes nothing of what happened and the need for it to be rectified as best it can be at this late date.

This has been so unpleasant I do not even like to look at beach scenes or palm treees anymore!!  Remember almost all of those on Aruba are manmade with U.S. investment dollars.  Now that they have so much income from online gambling and porn, perhaps they think they no longer need us?  

We have to increase the boycott as it may be our recourse but it is at least a very valid and good method we have to address this injustice.

AND. . . . . . . people are talking!       Loose Lips Sink Ships as we all know.  If the location is already known among the locals, details are beginning to trickle out.  By time for Flabby Blabby to return to Holland, I think the whole story will be common knowledge.  He just can't help bragging just as Anita can't help lying.  Someone there is talking, that's for sure.   Just keep it up.

And right after Joran goes back to school, all those things he said while home will come out.  Look for massive release of information around that time.  

[klaasend]

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I hope anyone feeling despondent will read Hammer's most uplifting post from I believe it was this morning.

This is just a bump in the road to justice.  I am in it or the long haul.  The judge's ruling does not make the three culprits less guilty nor Natlaee less missing.  It changes nothing of what happened and the need for it to be rectified as best it can be at this late date.

This has been so unpleasant I do not even like to look at beach scenes or palm treees anymore!!  Remember almost all of those on Aruba are manmade with U.S. investment dollars.  Now that they have so much income from online gambling and porn, perhaps they think they no longer need us?  

We have to increase the boycott as it may be our recourse but it is at least a very valid and good method we have to address this injustice.

AND. . . . . . . people are talking!       Loose Lips Sink Ships as we all know.  If the location is already known among the locals, details are beginning to trickle out.  By time for Flabby Blabby to return to Holland, I think the whole story will be common knowledge.  He just can't help bragging just as Anita can't help lying.  Someone there is talking, that's for sure.   Just keep it up.

And right after Joran goes back to school, all those things he said while home will come out.  Look for massive release of information around that time.  

Anna - was it in the Front Page area?  If so I'll find it and post it here now.

[Kat_Gram]

I am not holding my breath.
It's just been toooooo long with no charges being laid by KJ.

[klaasend]

This was just posted by DKPen in the front page area.  Great idea:

God bless you Beth and Dave. I continue to keep Natalee and family in my prayers and hope for justice.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!

Everyone go order your Boycott Aruba Postage Stamps today. Visit this site to order them. They are 100% legit $.39 cent USA Approved from the Postal Service. Create your own to use and use them to mail out your letters or bills, ect. A good way to continue your Boycott and show others abroad.

http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps

Justice for Natalee~

dkpen

[Lala'sMom]

Hi Nemo's mom.  How are you?

Hi Lala's, I know I owe you a picture, but hubby cut Nemo's white hair off.  I did take a picture of one of the cats that Nemo was chasing and took off the paint on the door.  Just been to busy to upload the picture.  Will do soon, promise .

Well, did Nemo get his painting done?

[klaasend]

HAMMER'S post from the previous thread - Hammer Rocks!


Far From "Over"

terryd270 writes:  "John Q Kelly said he was going to the island soon, I wonder what for? Umm maybe to refile on the island you think   That would be too simple but I think I might be right..."

Yes.  Possibly.

At the very beginning of NY civil action and serving of papers on plane and outside airport, JQK always downplayed chances of case being heard in that venue.  He said it was a longshot.  ANd indeed, that has proven true.

HOWEVER, the action and the nature of the serving had extremely positive effects for those determined to gain justice in this case.  Consider:

1.  The public access to information which animates US judicial proceeding provided a clear picture of the type of individual jvds is.  And while many here on SM thread knew already, the broad public disemination of the affadaviting of jvds' rapist history is scarlet letter he can live with forever.

2.  The nature of the service scared the sloots and put them on notice that cronyism has boundaries.  If they venture into US jurisdiction again -- ever -- JQK will nail them with another service.

3.  The sloots were exposed as vulnerable and stupid.  They took chances they heretofore felt comfortable taking: and that's because they were enabled by their partners in deviance on Aruba.  However, outside the cabal, they are in the deep end of the pool, and are not really adept swimmers, and now they know it.

4.  The symbolic nature of service and filing may not put a criminal in jail where he/they belong...BUT, it represents something critical to the sloots and their criminally minded partners: this is a FIGHT that will not end until justice is done.  That is a difficult reality to process for the perps, because their strongest desire is for all of this to just go away, and be forgotten.  BUT it isn't going away, and with the crushing boycott pressure, and the sloot knowledge that they are being constantly monitored and tracked, the battle is inexorable, demoralizing for Aruba, and is a grinding battle of attrition in which Natalee and her family hold a huge advantage.

There remains a long road ahead.  But this is far from over, imo.

The matter of the letter received by BHT, mentioned last week or so is a perfect case in point.  Beth goes into no detail regarding the contents or inferences, or even "who" it is specifically from as signatory.  BUT, think about what this represents: a total admission on ARuba's part that boycott is not only working, but crushing them.  Why do they reach out to her, after subjecting her, her family and most importantly - her daughter - to unimagined abuse and disdain?  Or do they reach out to demand "she stop?"  And under what penalty?  And indeed, how can Beth "stop" it in any way.  The boycott is the individual vote of thousands of individual travelers who have determined in their own minds to forget an Aruban experience as their vacation.  As such they vote with their feet, to travel elsewhere.  For Aruba to write such a letter is not just an admission, but a national humiliation.

And so it goes.  

As Churchill said: ""Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

[mishy]

This was just posted by DKPen in the front page area.  Great idea:

God bless you Beth and Dave. I continue to keep Natalee and family in my prayers and hope for justice.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!

Everyone go order your Boycott Aruba Postage Stamps today. Visit this site to order them. They are 100% legit $.39 cent USA Approved from the Postal Service. Create your own to use and use them to mail out your letters or bills, ect. A good way to continue your Boycott and show others abroad.

http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps

Justice for Natalee~

dkpen

I just saw this and I'm checking out the site now...very good idea...it'll spread the word to anybody who sees the letter from the postal handler to the postman to the recipient...I love it!!

[Kat_Gram]

This was just posted by DKPen in the front page area.  Great idea:

God bless you Beth and Dave. I continue to keep Natalee and family in my prayers and hope for justice.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!

Everyone go order your Boycott Aruba Postage Stamps today. Visit this site to order them. They are 100% legit $.39 cent USA Approved from the Postal Service. Create your own to use and use them to mail out your letters or bills, ect. A good way to continue your Boycott and show others abroad.

http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps

Justice for Natalee~

dkpen

I could not get the site to load, I have a cookie issue at the moment.
We have those types of stamps here. Very pricy. Is there a site where you could make your own kind of labels instead ? Or would I have to use a label maker with those white labels ?
Justice for Natalee.
Boycott Aruba.
That is short and to the point.

[mishy]

Monkeys,

The family needs our prayers now more than ever.  If you want to sign up for the prayer chain next Wednesday, click on the link in my signature line...

Nighters all!!

[dkpen]

Everyone go order your Boycott Aruba Postage Stamps. Visit this site to order them. We all need and use postage stamps. They are 100% legit $.39 cent US Approved from the Postal Service. Create your own to use and use them to mail out your letters or bills...ect. A good way to continue our Boycott and show others abroad.

http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps


God bless~


dkpen

[San]

Everyone go order your Boycott Aruba Postage Stamps. Visit this site to order them. We all need and use postage stamps. They are 100% legit $.39 cent US Approved from the Postal Service. Create your own to use and use them to mail out your letters or bills...ect. A good way to continue our Boycott and show others abroad.

http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps


God bless~


dkpen

I will order them tomorrow.

[SunFreak2]

This was just posted by DKPen in the front page area.  Great idea:

God bless you Beth and Dave. I continue to keep Natalee and family in my prayers and hope for justice.

BOYCOTT ARUBA!!!

Everyone go order your Boycott Aruba Postage Stamps today. Visit this site to order them. They are 100% legit $.39 cent USA Approved from the Postal Service. Create your own to use and use them to mail out your letters or bills, ect. A good way to continue your Boycott and show others abroad.

http://photo.stamps.com/PhotoStamps

Justice for Natalee~

dkpen

I could not get the site to load, I have a cookie issue at the moment.
We have those types of stamps here. Very pricy. Is there a site where you could make your own kind of labels instead ? Or would I have to use a label maker with those white labels ?
Justice for Natalee.
Boycott Aruba.
That is short and to the point.

Yes, they are pricey.  A less expensive alternative would be to buy some Avery circular labels, and just print up some stickers on our own computers to use on letters.   The circles are like 1 or 1 1/4 inches in diameter. I bet if we ask nice, Klaas or someone would design something for us to use.  

[Tylergal]

These are stamps.  I have to have stamps anyway.

[cp405]

Hi Nemo's mom.  How are you?

Hi Lala's, I know I owe you a picture, but hubby cut Nemo's white hair off.  I did take a picture of one of the cats that Nemo was chasing and took off the paint on the door.  Just been to busy to upload the picture.  Will do soon, promise .

Well, did Nemo get his painting done?

It's quite hard to paint with 5 animals running around especially with Nemo chasing the cats.

[SunFreak2]

These are stamps.  I have to have stamps anyway.

I know they are stamps.  I bought some once with my dogs face on them.  They end up being twice as expensive as regular stamps and are too pretty to use!

[dkpen]

They aren't that pricey. Well, I didn't feel they were.  I paid $34 for 40 stamps with my own Boycott Aruba design to be placed on them.

[SunFreak2]

G'nite y'all.  I have a date with Mr. Sandman.  

[klaasend]

Yep, they are pricey.  I'll see what I can put together for you guys that you can use for a sticker.