Lively Case Discussion #506 8/4 - 8/6/2006

[Bearlyhere]

Goodnight, All.  Goodnight, Klaas.  Goodnight, Dkpen.  


I think I am going to call it a day as well.  Big day today and tomorrow spending some time with a friend who is having an open house, just moved back here from San Jose, California, 18 months ago, and she has finally gotten her house ready for the grand tour and a cookout.  Should be a fun time.  She is a laugh per minute.

Nite, TG.

[klaasend]

This is the Boycott Aruba Postage Stamp I am using.

That's a great one too!  I just ordered some stamps.  Will put together some label templates tomorrow.

Nite All!

[dkpen]

Night Klass...Night Tylergal.  <big hugs>

[Bearlyhere]

Night Klass...Night Tylergal.  <big hugs>

dkpen, it's good to see your cute monkey face back.  

[Anna]

SLEUTH,
Good to see you!  If you still have Hammer's post, I wish you would repost it because some seem so despondent just because of the judge's ruling.  We need to avoid putting too much of our hopes into any one solution and stay focused on getting the justice Natalee deserves no matter how long it takes.

.JMO.

[Leslie]

As requested:

http://www.bndestem.nl/binnenland/article213298.ece

Rough translation (by Iquitos at FOB) with assistance from babelfish. Still needs work.

' Joran is a delicious boy ' by Floor Ligtvoet Thursday 30 March 2006 -
 
For many Americans Joran Van der Sloot is guilty, no doubt about it. He was the last to see Natalee Holloway in Aruba before she disappeared without a trace and is thus considered to have assassinated her. He is big news for the American television broadcasters, but who is Joran really? From what kind of nest does he come? - Portrait of a rebellious adolescent who plays fast and loose with the truth.

"Wanna have a good time?" a small, bloated Aruban with a yellow cap roars into the microphone. Around him on the dance floor, five hundred slightly high young people let it all hang out. Most come from America. It is ten at night and the peak time to be amused in the popular bar Carlos n Charlie's in Oranjestad that is synonymous with drink games. Super fast five little girls in summery skirts and very thin shirts are lifted up on the podium. They get tequila shots and mugs of beer handed to them. .Then they must wiggle their ass twice to get the next beer and tequila shot. Soon the first little girl starts to totter. The public crows with pleasure. Out of this bar the previous year Joran led the Alabama blonde Natalee Holloway. Now the American is already missed almost year. Joran is the last known to see her. For this reason the police force considers him as a chief suspect in her disappearance. Joran did not improve matters for himself by lying to the police force.

After some flirting at Carlos n Charlie's and necking in the car, he explained, he brought Natalee back to her to hotel. Instead he left the little girl alone on the beach, he later admitted. The American media jumped on an all out hunt for Joran. Weekly photographs and old video of the Dutchman filled the American news shows. He is called a liar, a rapist, and an assassin. Joran's possible involvement in Natalee's disappearance proves to be a ratings hit. In one go the seventeen-year-old adolescent is world-famous. Who he is and from what kind of a nest he comes, is well known. Still for Anita van der Sloot, Joran’s mother, in the family house in the rural district of Noord where the dog smells the visitor before the gate opens. "Quiet", Anita quiets the loudly barking dog, "It is OK." The small blonde woman enters to a large dining table to sit. She is really not in the mood to talk. The family has already had so much crap poured out about them. But the flow of rumors concerning Joran does not stop. A day earlier a high-level police source whispered anonymously, that joran had been treated for lying. Nonsense, asserts Anita firmly. Her son has undergone only counseling to improve his study habits. Jorans father, former judge in training Paul van der sloot arrives after a long workday. Tired, he gives a deep sigh: "Joran lies no more than every other adolescent." Paul wants rest at home. The family has the last year stood under enormous pressure, he complains. Their oldest, Joran, is surely not an angel. Every detail from his personal life is entirely taken out of context. "We must refer to the disappearance not the murder." He talks gently and in a controlled way concerning his child, but Anita excites herself concerning the bad tales that circulate on the island. Joran gambling - and sex-addicted? He is simply a delicious youth! A delicious adolescent, who lives for friends, sport, and family. Oké, he has adolescent traits. Not always sticks to his appointments. If he is supposed to be home at one at night her turns off his cell so his parents can't call him. If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses. They don't have to worry, he is home now. Anita is enraged that her son is accused of rape. "He was in fact very loving with his girlfriends" Joran had always many little girls around him but the contact was frequently only friendly, she says. "They went with each other for as a brother and sisters" Paul wants to show Joran's room. However., friends, both little girls and boys, could always spend the night he says as he crosses the garden to the outbuilding. Since he was 15 Joran had here, beside the swimming pool and at a reasonable distance of the parental house, his own bedroom and bathroom. Paul opens the door carefully. "Look, here slept four or five during the sleepovers. It was always completely normal. On Aruba it is normal to sleep over at someone else's place. Minors are on the island entirely dependent on parents or friends with a driver’s license pick up and bring them. During a conversation in Arnhem Joran says he was always super-glad have his own room. “The privacy was very fine, especially if there were friends." Of course he had also ordinary friendships with girls, says he as he hears his parents reaction. "One girlfriend slept ten times in my bed without ever something happening between us." Attraction must come, as it happens, however, from two sides, finds he. If that is the case, however, he does not see, honestly said, the problem. Joran was already from age 14 having sex with girls. Also American. "On the island there lives a little the feeling that they are easy. There are guys who go to the beach to hook up with them. He has done that himself "but” he emphasizes, "I have always treated them with respect." So if the girl does not want sex, then OK, its back to the hotel." It should have been that way with Natalee but she wanted to stay on the beach, he says. Thus he left her behind. Joran has always affirmed he did not have sex that fatal night with natalee because he that evening had no condoms on him.

Typical Joran, says Aruban Melody Granadillo (19). The little girl with long dark brown rolling curls is his ex-girlfriend. In their eight month long relationship they always used condoms. "He is completely clear on this." The Dutchman was her first love. For months on end they spent every day with each other. Taking a mouthful of ice, she gestures to the green Wilhelminapark bordering the sea. There they could sit interminably and talk. I know him better than he knows himself. Joran is playful, in his heart a child. A possible assassin? No, that never. Joran is often misunderstood she observes. Take his openness: "people take it as flirting." His friends also found him arrogant. That is not him according to her. He is only self-assured. Walks straight up, head high. Eventually Melody broke the relation because Joran was unfaithful.

Magda, administrator of the Aruba Racquet club, shrugs her shoulders. That is the mentality here. If it clicks with someone, it happens simply, even if you already have a girlfriend. Aruba seems like a village where, via-via, everyone knows everyone. Every week a new cargo of anonymous tourists arrives at Reina Beatrix field that want celebrate only. For numerous young, sexy American girls Aruba is the party island is where they forget their sores. As long as the holiday lasts, the world of drink games and flirts is the reality. Local boys, such as Joran, have this party culture available seven days per week. Seduction always lies in wait. On the gravel fields of the Raquet club boys beat their tennis balls rock-hard over the net. For Joran the tennis association, where mainly Dutch come, was a second home. After school he spent much of his time playing soccer, tennis and swimming. He was a spontaneous, nice kid, says Magda. "Although he could be quite obstinate and tenacious." She is reminded what Jordan’s friend thought. The restrained themselves with Joran when they were tired of arguments. Joran is a good talker, dominates nearly nearly everyone, ' but also slicks', laugh Melody.

That is my strength, Joran knows. Talking "I frequently get what I want done." Convincing debate is what I learned at the International School, according to his mother. Joran applied that art also at home, and with impact. He wanted once to go to the casino, but his father was then opposed. There rose spicy arguments, after which Paulus accompanied his son to the casino and eventually brought he him weekly to free poker tournaments (a game which is not played with money) in many casinos

At all hours of the day Arubans in the casino run money through the many fruit machines (slots). Tourists play especially blackjack - or poker tables. Joran’s father thinks initially that his son does not participate in the poker tournaments for the gambling but for the pizza they served during the breaks. You can then eat for free all you want. Joran started staying and coming home with a friend. Then he could stay away at llonger, and really gamble. His father later realizes this and is bewildered. "I had no idea that Joran gambled also in the real casino." His parents try constantly to find a balance in raising their children, they say. "I am perhaps something stricter than Paul", says Anita, "but as Paul and I both say ' no' and the children come with good arguments, then they know that we are open for a solution." Joran is proud of that. “My parents try to see everything also from our side. I have always found that good of them.“

[Bearlyhere]

There are guys who go to the beach to hook up with them. He has done that himself "but” he emphasizes, "I have always treated them with respect." So if the girl does not want sex, then OK, its back to the hotel."

So, that is what it means to be treated with respect.  

[Bearlyhere]

Thanks, Leslie  

[Leslie]

Paul and Anita van der Sloot's interview on CBS Early show (taped at their home) 3 videos

http://tinyurl.com/row64

Quotes by Paul van der Sloot:
"We are not hiding anything. We are telling the whole truth, nothing but the truth. And we've always told Joran to do tell the truth."
--

KC: "So he had to tell you then over the phone that he (Joran)  
had snuck out of the house.
PVDS "Yes he told -not over the phone- that ... it became clear that he sneaked out of the house.  

PVDS:  At that moment we all were thinking that the missing girl and she would come out.  
--
 

Quotes by Anita van der Sloot:
"If they arrest Paul, they have to arrest me too."

"We believed Joran from day 1."

[spooky112483]

quote
" Joran was already from age 14 having sex with girls. Also American."


WTF????? but so not surprised.
sorry I haven't been posting. I just needed some time to process, you know?
WE ARE HERE UNTIL WE HAVE JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!!!!!!!

[Leslie]

Paul van der Sloot, a judge in training in Aruba, gave his 17-year-old son Joran van der Sloot and two Surinamese brothers legal advice the day after 18-year-old Natalee Holloway disappeared, District Attorney Caren Janssen told MSNBC in an interview.

"They spoke about the situation that when there is no body you don't have a case, and that was already in the first day after the disappearance," Janssen said.

[dkpen]

Night Klass...Night Tylergal.  <big hugs>

dkpen, it's good to see your cute monkey face back.  

hehehe thanks Bear Bear.    It's nice to be seen.


And on that note.....

I must say good night to all.  Much to do tomorrow.  Take care everyone.

God bless~

[Jacqueline]

Good morning and wishing all Monkeys a great Saturday!

[justinsmama]

Hey, monkeys. I've been up for over 26 hours and am dead on my feet and brain. The postage stamps are an excellent idea!

[Easywriter]

[Peaches]

Good morning.  SB, sorry to have missed you last nite.  You were on a roll.  

TG, I thought about you yesterday when I was trimming Japanese privets that were encroaching on my driveway.  My crepe myrtles look somewhat better.  TY

Klaas, LMAO @ Red closing the cage.  I saw no link and wondered.....how long will it be?  Glad you had a good day.

No giving up here.  Not allowed.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Good morning.

[Peaches]

Good morning.

And how is every little thing in NJ?

[Ono]

Good Morning All ~

The idea about the postage stamps is excellent!!  Also, the stickers and Anna's suggestion about just writing neatly on the backs of envelopes of outgoing mail.

Thank you for posting that article Leslie, as I had never seen it before but had seen many mention it.  Wow -- what a clear composite of the van der Sloot household dynamics. Anything goes, liars lie, and basic moral teachings are abandoned and bascially belittled.  Unrestrained is the name of their game.  

I still suspect she was hurt near or around the pool area of Joran's private Kinder-Sex Sanctuary ...she was not going to submit as all the other targets had done in the past.  This was one girl that Joran mis-judged.

[Ono]

Good Morning All ~

The idea about the postage stamps is excellent!!  Also, the stickers and Anna's suggestion about just writing neatly on the backs of envelopes of outgoing mail.

Thank you for posting that article Leslie, as I had never seen it before but had seen many mention it.  Wow -- what a clear composite of the van der Sloot household dynamics. Anything goes, liars lie, and basic moral teachings are abandoned and bascially belittled.  Unrestrained is the name of their game.  

I still suspect she was hurt near or around the pool area of Joran's private Kinder-Sex Sanctuary ...she was not going to submit as all the other targets had done in the past.  This was one girl that Joran mis-judged.

Oops...I meant "KINDERGARTEN-SEX SANCTUARY"..