Lively Case Discussion #506 8/4 - 8/6/2006

[mishy]

Klaas, have you gotten the OK from Red to use SM website on a stamp to boycott Aruba?

[klaasend]

Klaas, have you gotten the OK from Red to use SM website on a stamp to boycott Aruba?

Not yet, I'll let you know when I find out

[terryd270]

I wonder what all the nick names mean and if some of the names that were mention were in Dutch..  How are these transcripts coming out now?  I'm glad they are but why not 13 months ago..

[terryd270]

It does seem that Joran can remember his lines(lies) better then the other two..  And when he gets caught he does a little side step and goes on..   I guess that Satish is the more intelligent of the three or the dirtiest...

[SunFreak2]

As requested:

http://www.bndestem.nl/binnenland/article213298.ece

Rough translation (by Iquitos at FOB) with assistance from babelfish. Still needs work.

' Joran is a delicious boy ' by Floor Ligtvoet Thursday 30 March 2006 -
Not always sticks to his appointments. If he is supposed to be home at one at night her turns off his cell so his parents can't call him. If he gets in trouble later, he gives his concerned mother three thick kisses.
That is my strength, Joran knows. Talking "I frequently get what I want done." Convincing debate is what I learned at the International School, according to his mother. Joran applied that art also at home, and with impact. He wanted once to go to the casino, but his father was then opposed. There rose spicy arguments, after which Paulus accompanied his son to the casino and eventually brought he him weekly to free poker tournaments (a game which is not played with money) in many casinos

At all hours of the day Arubans in the casino run money through the many fruit machines (slots). Tourists play especially blackjack - or poker tables. Joran’s father thinks initially that his son does not participate in the poker tournaments for the gambling but for the pizza they served during the breaks. You can then eat for free all you want. Joran started staying and coming home with a friend. Then he could stay away at llonger, and really gamble. His father later realizes this and is bewildered. "I had no idea that Joran gambled also in the real casino." His parents try constantly to find a balance in raising their children, they say. "I am perhaps something stricter than Paul", says Anita, "but as Paul and I both say ' no' and the children come with good arguments, then they know that we are open for a solution." Joran is proud of that. “My parents try to see everything also from our side. I have always found that good of them.“

What the heck are THICK kisses.? Yuck, sounds incestuous whatever they are.

I thought that Joran always maintained that May 29, 2005 was the first time Joran was able to convince Paulus to go with him to the casino.  (see part I of Joran/Greta interview below)  Yet in the above article it sounds like Paulus went with him weekly b/c it says then Joran began to stay and get rides home with friends.  


VAN SUSTEREN: Were you there earlier with your father that day, or had he left or...
VAN DER SLOOT: My father doesn't like casinos at all. He doesn't want me playing in casinos at all, either. But I convinced him to come that day to the casino and play that tournament because he — because it was a free tournament. I said, I have the chance — I want you to come with me and you can just play one time and see how it is. So you see, you know, why I go play, too, because it's just a social thing. It's a — it was a fun thing to do.
And yes, so my dad had come with me. And halfway through, he — because my mom at the time was in Holland, halfway through, he had to go back home to my little brother because he was home alone. And I took his place at the poker tournament because I had lost earlier. So I went in and I took his place and I played for him.

[Ono]

Hello sunfreak

And hello to Mishy and Ono too, and everyone!!

Hi Elaine ! How's it goin'?

[casa]

Did I read somewhere that Beth was going to be on a program tonight?  Anyone know?

[justinsmama]

We have coyotes here.  

  Maybe you can learn to like their sound at night ?????? Pretend you're in an old movie ??

Heard one last night. It was actually somewhat pleasant~ a plaintive yip.

[BIGORANGECRUSH]

Klass:

Those stickers are absolutely gorgeous.

As far as Aruba/Venzuela  goes...Chavez is salivating at the thought of officially claiming that little island as his very own domain.  It isn't in the far distant future I believe...One interested in history contemplates what Holland will do if push comes to shove...Hhmmnn...??

The only thing I liked on my trips to Venzuela were the beautiful women!!!!   It is truly a Third world country and I never felt safe there! Always someone wanting to take advanatage of you!!!

[klaasend]

Did I read somewhere that Beth was going to be on a program tonight?  Anyone know?

The Line Up - Fox News - Saturday 08/05/06



Time:  9:00 pm Eastern
Replay:  12:00 Midnight Eastern

[casa]

We have coyotes here.  

  Maybe you can learn to like their sound at night ?????? Pretend you're in an old movie ??

Heard one last night. It was actually somewhat pleasant~ a plaintive yip.

I think it would be neat to hear coyotos, of course, if I was in the house!  I live in town and don't hear much of anything except birds and an owl every now and then.

[casa]

Did I read somewhere that Beth was going to be on a program tonight?  Anyone know?

The Line Up - Fox News - Saturday 08/05/06



Time:  9:00 pm Eastern
Replay:  12:00 Midnight Eastern

Thanks, klaasend, you're the best!!!!!!!

[terryd270]

So Joran knows his friends by nationality (Luis BETANCOURT is a Venezuelan and according to me Joshua is Colombian )..  

Freddy ZEDAN" Freddy is a Venezuelan  Nickname Fefi

 "Jaime CARASQUIA  Jaime is a Columbian

Koen GOTENBOS nickname Cul

Florencia METZ -is from Argentina - 16 most likely not a sweet 16..

Elaine is Aruban Don't remember last name  Girlfriend.. - Nickname is fishy..


Someone that is into the nationality of their friends are more likely to used the Hitler comment..  



Jaime CARASQUILLA Beto What does Beto mean?

Deepak's nickname is "Tupac"  I guess for the dead rapper..

[justinsmama]

To your question whether I have a girlfriend, I answer to you that I had a girlfriend. After this happened I told my girlfriend what had happened and she wasn't happy about it. My girlfriend's name is "Elaine" but I do not remember het last name now. I do not know the address where Elaine lives but I can point out her house to you. Elaine is Aruban and she studies at the Colegio Arubano Oranjestad. A few weeks ago she and her fellow students went to Venezuela. She now is in class V-4 on the Colegio Arubano and she is 17 years old. Elaine has a mobile phone, but her name is under the nickname "Fishy" in the memory of my mobile phone.

He does not remember her last name?!

[Ono]

BFN has posted police statements of Joran, Deepak and Satish:

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4487.0
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4489.0
http://blogsfornatalee.com/forums/index.php?topic=4488.0

Thanks for these....haven't read them all but so far as pertaining to Joran:

Wonder how long it took him to memorize his legal talking points that were devised for him in hopes that they would protect his culpability? Also, this business about Natalee asking if the Kalpoes were rich (as she was impressed with their car--give me a break--what a joke- it's unsophisticated and embarrassing ); Was he rich? Announcing that she was rich and lived on a plantation; were the Kalpoes his slaves, etc. is total HOGWASH.  What a pile of manure.

[justinsmama]

Elaine/Fishy was his girlfriend at the time, yet he called Flor (later g/f) to go to CnCs with him that night? Slip up, Joran The Liar!

[Ono]

We have coyotes here.  

  Maybe you can learn to like their sound at night ?????? Pretend you're in an old movie ??

Heard one last night. It was actually somewhat pleasant~ a plaintive yip.

OMG! I bet it is kind of a fun sound. You should get some old Sons of the Pioneers recordings for nightime listening pleasure!!  

[Sue]

To your question whether I have a girlfriend, I answer to you that I had a girlfriend. After this happened I told my girlfriend what had happened and she wasn't happy about it. My girlfriend's name is "Elaine" but I do not remember het last name now. I do not know the address where Elaine lives but I can point out her house to you. Elaine is Aruban and she studies at the Colegio Arubano Oranjestad. A few weeks ago she and her fellow students went to Venezuela. She now is in class V-4 on the Colegio Arubano and she is 17 years old. Elaine has a mobile phone, but her name is under the nickname "Fishy" in the memory of my mobile phone.

He does not remember her last name?!

I wonder If Fishy stood for the way she smelled

[terryd270]

Spanish
"Fefi is the ant with the loudest voice in the world. Every time that he opens his mouth, the other insects run and hide. Poor Fefi. Is there anyone brave enough to be his friend?"

Kinda interesting..

[klaasend]

So Joran knows his friends by nationality (Luis BETANCOURT is a Venezuelan and according to me Joshua is Colombian )..  

Freddy ZEDAN" Freddy is a Venezuelan  Nickname Fefi

 "Jaime CARASQUIA  Jaime is a Columbian

Koen GOTENBOS nickname Cul

Florencia METZ -is from Argentina - 16 most likely not a sweet 16..

Elaine is Aruban Don't remember last name  Girlfriend.. - Nickname is fishy..


Someone that is into the nationality of their friends are more likely to used the Hitler comment..  



Jaime CARASQUILLA Beto What does Beto mean?

Deepak's nickname is "Tupac"  I guess for the dead rapper..

Flor:



Elaine: