Lively Case Discussion #506 8/4 - 8/6/2006

[Tylergal]

In the backseat conversation, do they ever mention anywhere they went?

[Lala'sMom]

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Just gotta clarify a couple of things.  When Joran says Natalee took him to another bar to get a drink because that one was closing, he means within C&C, NOT a different location.

But I think it was he, Joran, who took Natalee to another bar.  Aren't there three in C&C, stations with drinks?  Joran took her to the one with the "SPECIAL" drinks marked for women only!

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Let's see....a bar her and one over there and another over there.  Winding around the room....maybe a maze?  

[Anna]

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Just gotta clarify a couple of things.  When Joran says Natalee took him to another bar to get a drink because that one was closing, he means within C&C, NOT a different location.

But I think it was he, Joran, who took Natalee to another bar.  Aren't there three in C&C, stations with drinks?  Joran took her to the one with the "SPECIAL" drinks marked for women only!

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Three bars...is this a maze?

Remember the little photo Klaas posted of the BACK of C&C and you can see the white building tacked on?  Yes, it is sort of a maze, not to go all Shango, but the design would likely leave a great deal to be desired.

Rambling with add on or taking over building next door.  I have never been there and have only read there are three bars inside.  But it makes sense that one would not work for a place that busy and that size as it would be backed up all the time and they would miss sales of booze.  Easier to have one for the food area and one for the dance area and maybe one in the middle.  But at least I would bet there are two for a place that size.

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[igsigs]

Tylergal, i agree. I don't think Joran had a 'real' girlfriend. If i am reading the 6/9 statement correctly...he says girlfriend A was upset about the Natalee story and dumped him. BUT...he now has a girlfriend B and doesn't really know her name? A new girlfriend? New since a few days?

[Lala'sMom]

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Just gotta clarify a couple of things.  When Joran says Natalee took him to another bar to get a drink because that one was closing, he means within C&C, NOT a different location.

But I think it was he, Joran, who took Natalee to another bar.  Aren't there three in C&C, stations with drinks?  Joran took her to the one with the "SPECIAL" drinks marked for women only!

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Three bars...is this a maze?

Are you my doppleganger?    Great minds think alike.

[Tylergal]

The girlfriend in New Jersey who he spent the summer with broke up with him because he was "too nice."  I wish Justinmama was here to confirm my belief, but I have heard there are men who cannot have sex without violence or force involved, because they have a "mommy" complex.  Has anyone ever heard that before?  I think the big bully has a "mommy complex," as we have seen him patting her like she was his favorite animal, that he chose not to kill, as with his dog.

[Tylergal]

Someone needs to probe its fetid depths.  I think we have been told the owner or manager is into child porno.  Is that at the bottom of all this?  The fetid depths of the maze, as to what goes on there.  Why is the big fat Joran a VIP member?  He cannot dance.  He pays a membership fee to have the bartender drug women for him, because he cannot get one without her being drugged and he cannot have coital sex without violence?

[Kat_Gram]

http://tinyurl.com/pxo57

[Anna]

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I don't think sex with a girlfriend and raping is the same thing at all.  One is lust the other for power/degradation.  Or a video.

Why did Melody G. say Freddie was spending the night at Joran's?  She just popped in at RWV to spit out that little nugget.  Was Freddie there to receive the transmission and download to Joran's computer or what was the deal with his being there?  She further places him there the next day for Joran to call from the tennis club late in the day.  What did Freddie do all day?  Sleep?  Was he really tired from being up all night?  Or did he help Paulus around the house with some things or what?

Was he even there??  Why was that idea presented and we know Anita was influential in Melody's performance.  Remember how upset she became when I pointed out to her that Anita named ALL Joran's girlfriends ever and did not mention li'l Melody as being one or even existing??  I think that helped to put a bit of stress in that put up job of hers, lol.

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[klaasend]

http://tinyurl.com/pxo57

Your link isn't working right

[igsigs]

Post from Bitsey at BFN.

Joran certainly embellished his story to ensure it has the makings of a porn movie script. The bright lights of the casino. His VIP card. Taste for expensive booze, being begged for sex. Music. Hitler's blue-eyed daughter wearing finely embroidered danties, gang raped at the Plantation House by slaves who drive a pimped-out car. It's all there, running on a never-ending loop in the thug's head.

[Tylergal]

I think Freddy did spend the night there.  I think he received the transmission.  He was going to be Joran's alibi but the alibi did not work and Melody, like Steve Croes, got caught up in a web they were weaving.

Freddy was the one on the computer at the time Joran was supposed to be home, perusing porn.  Or was it Paulus perusing porn?

[klaasend]

http://tinyurl.com/pxo57

Your link isn't working right

Looks like you are trying to post a photo from your photobucket site.  You don't need to use tinyurl for that, just post the IMG link if you want the photo to show up in here.

[Kat_Gram]

http://tinyurl.com/pxo57

[Tylergal]

All know of the music beckoning lost souls to enter the seven levels of inferno
who gave Mary the poison wine of Bacchus?   The music at C&Cs.  The "seven levels of Hell."  Was it not  Dante who said that Satan was in the seventh layer of hell in a block of ice?  Is that the owner is being referred to here as Satan?

[Kat_Gram]

http://tinyurl.com/pxo57

Your link isn't working right

Looks like you are trying to post a photo from your photobucket site.  You don't need to use tinyurl for that, just post the IMG link if you want the photo to show up in here.

It's the silly hour ! !

[Anna]

Tylergal, i agree. I don't think Joran had a 'real' girlfriend. If i am reading the 6/9 statement correctly...he says girlfriend A was upset about the Natalee story and dumped him. BUT...he now has a girlfriend B and doesn't really know her name? A new girlfriend? New since a few days?

Melody claimed to have been his gf for nine months and in the Sloot home on a "daily basis" yet Anita does not even name her in the gf litany.

This is why it is so difficult, if not impossible to even make a timeline or statement of known facts.  Just as you pointed out in the CCroes statement, so many things are so different.

For every source, there is almost a diametrically opposing counter-source.  I know this is by design and supposed to confuse and obfuscate.  Guess when making all this chaos, Sloots never considered monkeys going over their every word.  

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[Lala'sMom]

Time for me to get to bed.  I could stay here all night and tango with you guys.  Alas, I must take my leave...night to all and hugs to Nemo.  See you later.

[Tylergal]

Time for me to get to bed.  I could stay here all night and tango with you guys.  Alas, I must take my leave...night to all and hugs to Nemo.  See you later.

Later, Lala's, you done really good tonight.  A big thumbs up.  I think we are picking it apart.  As Anna says, Sloots did not know Monkeys would be on their back, picking at their lies.

[Tylergal]

Anna, if you recall she was asked if Joran liked to have rough sex, and her reply was "Only once in a blue moon."  My suspicion is he never had sex with her except for once in a blue moon.