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« Reply #1340 on: June 23, 2005, 09:31:40 AM »

but even private planes file flight plans - everywhere in the world. unless you are suggesting this was a "drug" plane or something of the sort and was circumventing the law on all fronts?
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« Reply #1341 on: June 23, 2005, 09:31:40 AM »

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IMO  The authorities do know something for sure, they are not talking probably for the various obvious reasons.  But it certainly not fair to her parents who want resolution. Mad


Do u think she is still alive?


HONESTLY AT THIS POINT Hate to say it but no.


I believe she is but at the same time I keep thinking time is running out and whatever it was that was "bad that happened to her" could be or will be worse.
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« Reply #1342 on: June 23, 2005, 09:32:21 AM »

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i was trying to find my post from yesterday, but dont know how tyo use the search tool correctly. any way, my theory is this...

the three idiots are actually telling the truth. they did take natalee to the HI (fisherman hut, marriott area) and the sec guards from the soul beach concert were staying there(at the HI), that i confrimed. the company that was hired to provide security is ESSC. executive security service corp. they are a francihise, like a body shop with temp employees. i think that the sec guards took natalee, and removed her from the island in a trunk used for musical equipment or clothing. thats why there is no evidence. i will be looking into whether they have all employees pass background checks. and photos of all of their uniforms and a entire travel intinery. all flight schedules and if they had a private plane.. ESSC is run by clearance white.. phone number 678-364-8792..yesterday i contacted soul beach productions in california and spoke with ms. monica hall, she gave me the info on mr white. she was pleasant and seem willing to cooperate, about 5 minutes after my call to her.. they *69 ed me and i think they are a bit paranoid....the amount of ppl involved in the soul beach event was tremendous, they had to have private or chartered planess that only they have access to....your thoughts....


All that sounds believable.........but the one and only thing that takes me back to not knowing a damn thing is...............WHY THE CHANGE OF STORIES ............why....................i bet the beach story is the closest story to the truth...........but why all the other stories if they were not in fact involved in her dissapearnce.......if he was just an asshole and left her on the beach drunk and crying bc she turned him down for sex, or he raped her, then left her........ (yes that is a serious charge, crime) but she was alive when he left..........then you would think he would come clean about that and sweep away the murder charges pending against him...Just my opinion


it was widely reported yesterday that no one has changed their story.. only anita vds story is different, but she was in holland and might not know....



Oh ok, so the security guard that was in with deepak is lying? and made up that story? Unlikely.
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« Reply #1343 on: June 23, 2005, 09:32:28 AM »

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also soul beach had done 5 productions three were in aruba and ESSC was use in all instances...


    so they probably already know of the local dealers?
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« Reply #1344 on: June 23, 2005, 09:33:01 AM »

On todays arubian newspaper...

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diamars anochi, prensa a haya sa cu oficialnan di FBI na Aruba, a yama e mayornan di e studiante desapareci, Natalee Holloway, pa un asina yama “entrevista”.

   Esaki inmediatamente a hala atencion di prensa local y internacional.  Nan kier a haya sa mesora ta kico ta e motibo di e entrevista aki.  Mesora den circulo di noticia, a drenta e detaye cu posiblemente FBI ta bay haci porfin un background check riba e mayornan aki.  Pero ningun oficial na Aruba kier a confirma esey.  Di FBI mes, ningun hende por haya contesta.


Tuesday nigth, press got notice that FBI Agents stationed in Aruba called the parents of the missing student, Natalee Holloway, for a socalled 'interview"

This gathered immediate attention to the local and international papers.  They want to know right away what motive this interview was about.  Right away in the news circle, entered a detail that possible the FBI is going to tdo a background check on the parents.  But not official in Aruba wants to confirm this.  From FBI itself, no one could comment.
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« Reply #1345 on: June 23, 2005, 09:33:03 AM »

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i was trying to find my post from yesterday, but dont know how tyo use the search tool correctly. any way, my theory is this...

the three idiots are actually telling the truth. they did take natalee to the HI (fisherman hut, marriott area) and the sec guards from the soul beach concert were staying there(at the HI), that i confrimed. the company that was hired to provide security is ESSC. executive security service corp. they are a francihise, like a body shop with temp employees. i think that the sec guards took natalee, and removed her from the island in a trunk used for musical equipment or clothing. thats why there is no evidence. i will be looking into whether they have all employees pass background checks. and photos of all of their uniforms and a entire travel intinery. all flight schedules and if they had a private plane.. ESSC is run by clearance white.. phone number 678-364-8792..yesterday i contacted soul beach productions in california and spoke with ms. monica hall, she gave me the info on mr white. she was pleasant and seem willing to cooperate, about 5 minutes after my call to her.. they *69 ed me and i think they are a bit paranoid....the amount of ppl involved in the soul beach event was tremendous, they had to have private or chartered planess that only they have access to....your thoughts....


All that sounds believable.........but the one and only thing that takes me back to not knowing a damn thing is...............WHY THE CHANGE OF STORIES ............why....................i bet the beach story is the closest story to the truth...........but why all the other stories if they were not in fact involved in her dissapearnce.......if he was just an asshole and left her on the beach drunk and crying bc she turned him down for sex, or he raped her, then left her........ (yes that is a serious charge, crime) but she was alive when he left..........then you would think he would come clean about that and sweep away the murder charges pending against him...Just my opinion


it was widely reported yesterday that no one has changed their story.. only anita vds story is different, but she was in holland and might not know....



Oh ok, so the security guard that was in with deepak is lying? and made up that story? Unlikely.


Unless lyin bout what deepak said is some sick revenge plot to nail them for framing the guards
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« Reply #1346 on: June 23, 2005, 09:33:35 AM »

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the reason that this investigation is stalled is bc, they are looking in the wrong place....


I definitely believe that is a correct statement.  Whatever happened to Natalee, I don't believe at this point it is even directly connected to these 3 boys anymore .... I believe something "bad happened," but after she was left on that beach.  Just my opinion.

I think you could be on the right track, Rob.


I'm surprised wwizard doesn't jump in at this point and re-post his early comments. He predicted no one would ever go to jail for the crime, that Natalee was sold and isn't on the island and will never be found.

Rob -- you might have missed my last post -- I was suggesting perhaps someone should compare the drawings from the Amy Bradley page to photos of employees of the concert security company. Like I said, it's a stretch, but. . . http://www.tggweb.com/amybradley/
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« Reply #1347 on: June 23, 2005, 09:34:48 AM »

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Rob - Aren't you going to Aruba this weekend?

Also, what about the security shirt found on the beach?  Do you remember what color that was?  Any followup ever happen with that?


yes i am.. i am going to wait until after the guy from the caymans and the team from tx to do their search and if they find nothing i will go to the authorities with my theory...
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« Reply #1348 on: June 23, 2005, 09:34:48 AM »

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i was trying to find my post from yesterday, but dont know how tyo use the search tool correctly. any way, my theory is this...

the three idiots are actually telling the truth. they did take natalee to the HI (fisherman hut, marriott area) and the sec guards from the soul beach concert were staying there(at the HI), that i confrimed. the company that was hired to provide security is ESSC. executive security service corp. they are a francihise, like a body shop with temp employees. i think that the sec guards took natalee, and removed her from the island in a trunk used for musical equipment or clothing. thats why there is no evidence. i will be looking into whether they have all employees pass background checks. and photos of all of their uniforms and a entire travel intinery. all flight schedules and if they had a private plane.. ESSC is run by clearance white.. phone number 678-364-8792..yesterday i contacted soul beach productions in california and spoke with ms. monica hall, she gave me the info on mr white. she was pleasant and seem willing to cooperate, about 5 minutes after my call to her.. they *69 ed me and i think they are a bit paranoid....the amount of ppl involved in the soul beach event was tremendous, they had to have private or chartered planess that only they have access to....your thoughts....


All that sounds believable.........but the one and only thing that takes me back to not knowing a damn thing is...............WHY THE CHANGE OF STORIES ............why....................i bet the beach story is the closest story to the truth...........but why all the other stories if they were not in fact involved in her dissapearnce.......if he was just an asshole and left her on the beach drunk and crying bc she turned him down for sex, or he raped her, then left her........ (yes that is a serious charge, crime) but she was alive when he left..........then you would think he would come clean about that and sweep away the murder charges pending against him...Just my opinion


it was widely reported yesterday that no one has changed their story.. only anita vds story is different, but she was in holland and might not know....



Oh ok, so the security guard that was in with deepak is lying? and made up that story? Unlikely.



  FOR ANYONE with questions about Mickey John/ sec gaurd who spoke w/ Deepak... I heard he will be interviewed again by fox in comming days.
maybe he has other info to share?
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« Reply #1349 on: June 23, 2005, 09:35:46 AM »

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Rob - Aren't you going to Aruba this weekend?

Also, what about the security shirt found on the beach?  Do you remember what color that was?  Any followup ever happen with that?


yes i am.. i am going to wait until after the guy from the caymans and the team from tx to do their search and if they find nothing i will go to the authorities with my theory...


You are going there ROB? To help with the search or something?
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« Reply #1350 on: June 23, 2005, 09:36:27 AM »

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On todays arubian newspaper...

ORANJESTAD (AAN): Diamars anochi, prensa a haya sa cu oficialnan di FBI na Aruba, a yama e mayornan di e studiante desapareci, Natalee Holloway, pa un asina yama “entrevista”.

   Esaki inmediatamente a hala atencion di prensa local y internacional.  Nan kier a haya sa mesora ta kico ta e motibo di e entrevista aki.  Mesora den circulo di noticia, a drenta e detaye cu posiblemente FBI ta bay haci porfin un background check riba e mayornan aki.  Pero ningun oficial na Aruba kier a confirma esey.  Di FBI mes, ningun hende por haya contesta.


Tuesday nigth, press got notice that FBI Agents stationed in Aruba called the parents of the missing student, Natalee Holloway, for a socalled 'interview"

This gathered immediate attention to the local and international papers.  They want to know right away what motive this interview was about.  Right away in the news circle, entered a detail that possible the FBI is going to tdo a background check on the parents.  But not official in Aruba wants to confirm this.  From FBI itself, no one could comment.



Would this be from the same newspaper whose editor set Natalee's parents up with a drug dealer to pay $10K ransom for a girl that wasn't Natalee? I never saw which paper that was, and I don't know if the island has more than one.
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« Reply #1351 on: June 23, 2005, 09:36:44 AM »

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Rob - Aren't you going to Aruba this weekend?

Also, what about the security shirt found on the beach?  Do you remember what color that was?  Any followup ever happen with that?


yes i am.. i am going to wait until after the guy from the caymans and the team from tx to do their search and if they find nothing i will go to the authorities with my theory...


You are going there ROB? To help with the search or something?


Oh check your PM too ROb......
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« Reply #1352 on: June 23, 2005, 09:36:57 AM »

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i was trying to find my post from yesterday, but dont know how tyo use the search tool correctly. any way, my theory is this...

the three idiots are actually telling the truth. they did take natalee to the HI (fisherman hut, marriott area) and the sec guards from the soul beach concert were staying there(at the HI), that i confrimed. the company that was hired to provide security is ESSC. executive security service corp. they are a francihise, like a body shop with temp employees. i think that the sec guards took natalee, and removed her from the island in a trunk used for musical equipment or clothing. thats why there is no evidence. i will be looking into whether they have all employees pass background checks. and photos of all of their uniforms and a entire travel intinery. all flight schedules and if they had a private plane.. ESSC is run by clearance white.. phone number 678-364-8792..yesterday i contacted soul beach productions in california and spoke with ms. monica hall, she gave me the info on mr white. she was pleasant and seem willing to cooperate, about 5 minutes after my call to her.. they *69 ed me and i think they are a bit paranoid....the amount of ppl involved in the soul beach event was tremendous, they had to have private or chartered planess that only they have access to....your thoughts....


All that sounds believable.........but the one and only thing that takes me back to not knowing a damn thing is...............WHY THE CHANGE OF STORIES ............why....................i bet the beach story is the closest story to the truth...........but why all the other stories if they were not in fact involved in her dissapearnce.......if he was just an asshole and left her on the beach drunk and crying bc she turned him down for sex, or he raped her, then left her........ (yes that is a serious charge, crime) but she was alive when he left..........then you would think he would come clean about that and sweep away the murder charges pending against him...Just my opinion


it was widely reported yesterday that no one has changed their story.. only anita vds story is different, but she was in holland and might not know....



Oh ok, so the security guard that was in with deepak is lying? and made up that story? Unlikely.


deepak said there were sec guards wearing black clothing.. we searched all the soul beach photos yesterday and found that they many differnt uniforms...
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« Reply #1353 on: June 23, 2005, 09:38:06 AM »

Hi All,
A couple of things...I have questions with.
One. How could Mr Twitty go on television and talk about a 17 year old that was due to graduate being in a casino at 3 am? I understand that whatever happened to Natalee is unnecessary and wrong, but we all have to accept a little bit of responsibility in the situation. His daughter was just out of high school and in another country with no "real" supervision.
Two, Isn't there a chance that maybe the security guard hates that Joran's dad is a government official, who probably helped put Mr. John in jail and could be getting his "revenge", so to say?
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« Reply #1354 on: June 23, 2005, 09:38:21 AM »

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the reason that this investigation is stalled is bc, they are looking in the wrong place....


I definitely believe that is a correct statement.  Whatever happened to Natalee, I don't believe at this point it is even directly connected to these 3 boys anymore .... I believe something "bad happened," but after she was left on that beach.  Just my opinion.

I think you could be on the right track, Rob.


I'm surprised wwizard doesn't jump in at this point and re-post his early comments. He predicted no one would ever go to jail for the crime, that Natalee was sold and isn't on the island and will never be found.

Rob -- you might have missed my last post -- I was suggesting perhaps someone should compare the drawings from the Amy Bradley page to photos of employees of the concert security company. Like I said, it's a stretch, but. . . http://www.tggweb.com/amybradley/



 Exclamation I think wizzard is on hit and run mode....He won't play with me!
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« Reply #1355 on: June 23, 2005, 09:38:38 AM »

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Psychopaths display pathological narcissism, including grandiosity, but psychopathy is differentiated from NPD by psychopaths' willingness to use physical violence to get what they want, whereas narcissists rarely commit crimes; the narcissists I've known personally are, in fact, averse to physical contact with others, though they will occasionally strike out in an impulse of rage.


This is from the second link posted about Narcissim.


Narcissists commit LOTS of crimes. Just that most of them are not violent ones. Cheating, stealing, lying, scapegoating, etc. And it would be perfectly in line with a narcissistic personality to give a girl a date rape drug and pass her around to his buds. And yes, he might even leave her there, on the beach, clothed or unclothed, and think nothing of it.


I was simply quoting the description of narcissicists from the links provided. Are you a psychiatrist? Just curious.
 

Last night among its multiple activities monkey power has parsed possibility joran and co drugged natalee and concluded there would not have been much time to do it before they left the club.  natalee may have been pretty iniebriated by the time they got there at arond 12:30.  dad picks him up at 11 at mikkie d, he cleaned up, sneaked out and hooked up with kalpoes plus transit time and getting past meticulous carding at club)   Joran danced with her on the stage according to witnesses who said they all left at 1.  so joran spikes a drink and gets her to chug it in a half hour while they are dancing?  possibly natalee was taking drugs on own account or had been drugged by others unbeknownst to the 3 who only experienced the consequences when she passed out on them.  Now, what happened next?
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« Reply #1356 on: June 23, 2005, 09:38:41 AM »

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Tuesday nigth, press got notice that FBI Agents stationed in Aruba called the parents of the missing student, Natalee Holloway, for a socalled 'interview"

This gathered immediate attention to the local and international papers. They want to know right away what motive this interview was about. Right away in the news circle, entered a detail that possible the FBI is going to tdo a background check on the parents. But not official in Aruba wants to confirm this. From FBI itself, no one could comment.


At this point, the only things I would rule out are

1) "FBI's hands are tied, they are windsurfing"

2) "abducted for matrimonial purposes by Ethiopian tribesmen"
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« Reply #1357 on: June 23, 2005, 09:39:07 AM »

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Eilo Posted a Open letter to FOX on Aruba Today.com


I know I read it and he has a very good point

http://www.arubatoday.com/week/wednesday/wednesday22-06-2005.pdf
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« Reply #1358 on: June 23, 2005, 09:39:23 AM »

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i was trying to find my post from yesterday, but dont know how tyo use the search tool correctly. any way, my theory is this...

the three idiots are actually telling the truth. they did take natalee to the HI (fisherman hut, marriott area) and the sec guards from the soul beach concert were staying there(at the HI), that i confrimed. the company that was hired to provide security is ESSC. executive security service corp. they are a francihise, like a body shop with temp employees. i think that the sec guards took natalee, and removed her from the island in a trunk used for musical equipment or clothing. thats why there is no evidence. i will be looking into whether they have all employees pass background checks. and photos of all of their uniforms and a entire travel intinery. all flight schedules and if they had a private plane.. ESSC is run by clearance white.. phone number 678-364-8792..yesterday i contacted soul beach productions in california and spoke with ms. monica hall, she gave me the info on mr white. she was pleasant and seem willing to cooperate, about 5 minutes after my call to her.. they *69 ed me and i think they are a bit paranoid....the amount of ppl involved in the soul beach event was tremendous, they had to have private or chartered planess that only they have access to....your thoughts....


All that sounds believable.........but the one and only thing that takes me back to not knowing a damn thing is...............WHY THE CHANGE OF STORIES ............why....................i bet the beach story is the closest story to the truth...........but why all the other stories if they were not in fact involved in her dissapearnce.......if he was just an asshole and left her on the beach drunk and crying bc she turned him down for sex, or he raped her, then left her........ (yes that is a serious charge, crime) but she was alive when he left..........then you would think he would come clean about that and sweep away the murder charges pending against him...Just my opinion


it was widely reported yesterday that no one has changed their story.. only anita vds story is different, but she was in holland and might not know....



Oh ok, so the security guard that was in with deepak is lying? and made up that story? Unlikely.


deepak said there were sec guards wearing black clothing.. we searched all the soul beach photos yesterday and found that they many differnt uniforms...


Ok but you still haevnet answered to whether you then believe that the guard was lying about what deepak said in jail to him
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« Reply #1359 on: June 23, 2005, 09:39:25 AM »

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the reason that this investigation is stalled is bc, they are looking in the wrong place....


I definitely believe that is a correct statement.  Whatever happened to Natalee, I don't believe at this point it is even directly connected to these 3 boys anymore .... I believe something "bad happened," but after she was left on that beach.  Just my opinion.

I think you could be on the right track, Rob.


I'm surprised wwizard doesn't jump in at this point and re-post his early comments. He predicted no one would ever go to jail for the crime, that Natalee was sold and isn't on the island and will never be found.

Rob -- you might have missed my last post -- I was suggesting perhaps someone should compare the drawings from the Amy Bradley page to photos of employees of the concert security company. Like I said, it's a stretch, but. . . http://www.tggweb.com/amybradley/


ok i ll ask em to compare em...
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