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« Reply #1460 on: June 23, 2005, 10:36:35 AM »

I thought i heard yesterday that the Kalpoes and VDS had a heated exchange - but then nothing more - does anyone know anymore about that?
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« Reply #1461 on: June 23, 2005, 10:37:14 AM »

Rumors of Sex And Kidnapping Surface In Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Breaking News by Dan Riehl

An online newspaper, AM Digital, hosted at Aruba.com has reported that the three men involved in the Natalee Holloway disappearance claimed to have had sexual relations with the 18 year old Alabama high school senior at the beach prior to returning her to her hotel at approximate 2 AM. A pdf file of the publication is available on this page. Look for the AM Digital link at left.

Also, Aruba and Travel Advisory message boards are abuzz over the disappearance, and one poster purportedly from Alabama posted the curious post below.
Alert: Just wanted to warn everyone: My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.
The above would fit with details in a report here claiming there were "disturbing" circumstances surrounding the disappearance which resulted in a request for ten additional agents of the FBI, now in Aruba. However, it should be noted that the bullentin board message can not be verified as genuine, or credible.

http://www.legendgames.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/WN0000183.txt
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« Reply #1462 on: June 23, 2005, 10:37:32 AM »

MBHS...don't take it too seriously that your 15 minutes are turning into days.
This is not YOUR forum.
That is all, for now.
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« Reply #1463 on: June 23, 2005, 10:37:51 AM »

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Nancy Drew wrote: While we're not sure that describes Joran's family, it's very possible.

My response: I will go one step further and say challenge you to find ONE instance in which EITHER Joran OR his family deviates from this profile.


I really don't know enough about the parents or Joran to give an opinion. AND, I am not a trained mental health professional able to pass out diagnoses.

As I said, it's very interesting, and seems very possible.  However, given we really don't have a full profile, except media reports, I would never say this is for sure.


Take out a piece of paper. Draw a line down the middle. Put a tick mark on the left hand side of the paper, whenever you hear a report that is consistent with this profile. Put a tick mark on the right hand side of this paper whenever you hear a report that isn't. Then add up the tick marks.


I do that with every piece of information I see or read.
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« Reply #1464 on: June 23, 2005, 10:38:45 AM »

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MBHS...don't take it too seriously that your 15 minutes are turning into days.
This is not YOUR forum.
That is all, for now.


Ah, yes, because I'm in here for fame.
If that's what I wanted, I'd call a reporter and start talking.
It isn't my forum, but you are being rude to me, and it is uncalled for.
So you can stop.
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« Reply #1465 on: June 23, 2005, 10:39:28 AM »

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Definetely impossible.


The beautiful children of beautiful and wealthy parents in a beautiful area of beautiful AL never binge drink?
I wholeheartedly disagree, regardless of how attractive you and your friends feel that you are.
I have 'been there', and know what goes on.
Stop the 'holier than thou' garbage and lend a hand with some useful info, if you don't mind.
Carry on.


Lay off of her and learn to express your opinions with a little more grace and decorum - rather than being so pompous. It isnt necessary.


It's ok...it's someone else not from Mountain Brook who knows more than me...again. I'm used to it.
I'm just tired of people who are too lazy to rad backwards and see what we have ALREADY said to people like them.



Well, you arent the only one who's tired of it. It's one thing to express an opinion, its some peoples manners and mannerisms that have often been uncalled for. And the hauntiness is just rediculous.
Morning, MBHS.
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« Reply #1466 on: June 23, 2005, 10:39:34 AM »

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Rumors of Sex And Kidnapping Surface In Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Breaking News by Dan Riehl

An online newspaper, AM Digital, hosted at Aruba.com has reported that the three men involved in the Natalee Holloway disappearance claimed to have had sexual relations with the 18 year old Alabama high school senior at the beach prior to returning her to her hotel at approximate 2 AM. A pdf file of the publication is available on this page. Look for the AM Digital link at left.

Also, Aruba and Travel Advisory message boards are abuzz over the disappearance, and one poster purportedly from Alabama posted the curious post below.
Alert: Just wanted to warn everyone: My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.
The above would fit with details in a report here claiming there were "disturbing" circumstances surrounding the disappearance which resulted in a request for ten additional agents of the FBI, now in Aruba. However, it should be noted that the bullentin board message can not be verified as genuine, or credible.

http://www.legendgames.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/WN0
000183.txt


This is not an AP dispatch, the news is credited to the Aruban online news.
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« Reply #1467 on: June 23, 2005, 10:39:45 AM »

Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I thought i heard yesterday that the Kalpoes and VDS had a heated exchange - but then nothing more - does anyone know anymore about that?


I am interested to hear about that, as well.
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« Reply #1468 on: June 23, 2005, 10:41:03 AM »

Quote from: "gaijin"
Quote from: "mbhs05"
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Quote from: "mbhs05"
Definetely impossible.


The beautiful children of beautiful and wealthy parents in a beautiful area of beautiful AL never binge drink?
I wholeheartedly disagree, regardless of how attractive you and your friends feel that you are.
I have 'been there', and know what goes on.
Stop the 'holier than thou' garbage and lend a hand with some useful info, if you don't mind.
Carry on.


Lay off of her and learn to express your opinions with a little more grace and decorum - rather than being so pompous. It isnt necessary.


It's ok...it's someone else not from Mountain Brook who knows more than me...again. I'm used to it.
I'm just tired of people who are too lazy to rad backwards and see what we have ALREADY said to people like them.



Well, you arent the only one who's tired of it. It's one thing to express an opinion, its some peoples manners and mannerisms that have often been uncalled for. And the hauntiness is just rediculous.
Morning, MBHS.


Exactly. No problem in civil opinion expression...I don't understand the need to single ME out...some people are just really mean behind a computer screen.
So...ignore them and let's get back to work.
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« Reply #1469 on: June 23, 2005, 10:41:08 AM »

Did anyone else see Jay Leno's monlogue last night?  He made a horrid joke and I want to make sure everyone knows it.  It went something like this:  Interesting isn't it that the media coverage for a missing person seems to be so much more if the person is beautiful....I guess this is why nobody is looking for Dick Cheney.

He was clearly referring to Natalee's disappearance and it made me ill that he would do this in a "comedic" monologue.  

I think the reasons for the heavy media coverage are that it is intriguing, suspenseful, and close to the hearts of all parents.  Not to mention that it is occuring in what is know as a beautiful, tropical paradise.  If Natalee's pictures are shown more b/c she is beautiful, so be it, anything to help find her.  

I sent a letter to the Tonight Show stating this, but don't expect a direct reply.  I finished the letter mentioning that if Jay feels compelled to mention this case, he should talk about Texas Equusearch and what they do to find ALL missing persons and that their looks don't change the priority for finding them.  

Please spread the word on this.  I'd like to ensure NBC hears of this and will make an apology, or at least do something to help instead of making light of it.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this.
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« Reply #1470 on: June 23, 2005, 10:41:36 AM »

Quote from: "iquitos"
Rumors of Sex And Kidnapping Surface In Natalee Holloway Disappearance
Breaking News by Dan Riehl

An online newspaper, AM Digital, hosted at Aruba.com has reported that the three men involved in the Natalee Holloway disappearance claimed to have had sexual relations with the 18 year old Alabama high school senior at the beach prior to returning her to her hotel at approximate 2 AM. A pdf file of the publication is available on this page. Look for the AM Digital link at left.

Also, Aruba and Travel Advisory message boards are abuzz over the disappearance, and one poster purportedly from Alabama posted the curious post below.
Alert: Just wanted to warn everyone: My best friend and her husband chaperoned a senior trip of 160 kids down to Aruba, and she returned last night. Her husband had to stay b/c they think that one of the girls was kidnapped, and is possibly in Venezuela now. Her parents flew down, and the State Dept., DEA and several other groups are involved now. She left with a guy from Carlos and Charlie's, and the cops found out that he is a local drug dealer. Just wanted to let everyone know to please stay safe. If anyone in Aruba has any info., please let me know. I should know more later today. Just please say a prayer.
The above would fit with details in a report here claiming there were "disturbing" circumstances surrounding the disappearance which resulted in a request for ten additional agents of the FBI, now in Aruba. However, it should be noted that the bullentin board message can not be verified as genuine, or credible.

http://www.legendgames.net/showstory.asp?page=blognews/stories/WN0000183.txt


Notice the part where he says rumors.  To my knowledge it was just this one online dutch paper that posted the story initially, the ap had it for awhile but either took iit down or changed it.  Given that rumors have spread like wildfire in this case, and given that even the mainstream media has made some serious mistakes, I really am suspicious of something that was put in a newspaper at the very beginning of a case, but hasn't been repeated since.
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« Reply #1471 on: June 23, 2005, 10:42:09 AM »

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Quote from: "medleyrelay"
I thought i heard yesterday that the Kalpoes and VDS had a heated exchange - but then nothing more - does anyone know anymore about that?


I am interested to hear about that, as well.
Me too, but the guys talking about it also said Satish is the older brother. So I am thinking they don't know what the hell they are talking about....
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« Reply #1472 on: June 23, 2005, 10:42:53 AM »

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Quote from: "Professor"
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Nancy Drew wrote: While we're not sure that describes Joran's family, it's very possible.

My response: I will go one step further and say challenge you to find ONE instance in which EITHER Joran OR his family deviates from this profile.


I really don't know enough about the parents or Joran to give an opinion. AND, I am not a trained mental health professional able to pass out diagnoses.

As I said, it's very interesting, and seems very possible.  However, given we really don't have a full profile, except media reports, I would never say this is for sure.


Take out a piece of paper. Draw a line down the middle. Put a tick mark on the left hand side of the paper, whenever you hear a report that is consistent with this profile. Put a tick mark on the right hand side of this paper whenever you hear a report that isn't. Then add up the tick marks.


I do that with every piece of information I see or read.


Do you also make sure you scratch out those tick marks off... as new and corrected, confirmed, official notice come out from both the Aruba/FBI sources.
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« Reply #1473 on: June 23, 2005, 10:42:53 AM »

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MBHS...don't take it too seriously that your 15 minutes are turning into days.
This is not YOUR forum.
That is all, for now.


There seems to be NO reason to go after the MB folks.  They are in pain and dealing with a great loss right now. IMO there is NO basis for such attacks, especially with people we've come to care for and support.

When and if you get evidence there is something dark and questionable about MB, Natalee or her friends..then share it with FIRM sources and research. But, ramdom attacks on anyone close to this family is wrong.
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« Reply #1474 on: June 23, 2005, 10:43:23 AM »

Nothing more on the exchange between families.


Jug said that a group of searchers went to the school.  I don't think he was with them.  The headmaster mentioned a swimming accident.

I need to see a transcript because it was a little foggy who exactly was in the room at the time and what exactly was said about attendance.  I hope they post it today.
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« Reply #1475 on: June 23, 2005, 10:43:24 AM »

Three More Arrested in Natalee Holloway Case
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June 09, 2005

Three More Arrested in Natalee Holloway Case
Three men who admitted they were with an Alabama teen on the night she disappeared in Aruba have now been arrested in connection with the case. The three were questioned early in the investigation then released by authorities.

Aruba Attorney General Caren Janssen confirmed that the three men, described as students, have been arrested. Fox News reported that one of them is the son of a local judge. The three told police that they took Holloway from the nightclub where she was last seen by friends to a beach and then dropped her off around 2 a.m. at the hotel where she was staying.

Security cameras at that hotel, however, did not show her being returned.

The three were arrested around 5:30 a.m. and police were searching their homes. Two of the men arrested are Surinamese citizens and the other is a Dutch citizen. Previously, the men told police that the Dutch student had sex with Holloway at the beach.

They said when they returned Holloway to the hotel she was so drunk that she fell down. When they tried to help her, she refused their assistance and was escorting into the hotel by a black man in a black T-shirt and black pants.

Security Guards Also Held

Meanwhile, an Aruban judge ruled yesterday that police can continue to hold two former hotel security guards in connection with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, but both men and their families deny that they ever saw the missing Alabama teen.

Authorities had hoped that at least one of the men would have provided some information about the disappearance of Holloway, but Nick John, 30, and Abraham Jones, 28, claim they never saw the teen on the night that she vanished hours before she and her classmates were scheduled to fly back to Alabama.

Speculation was some of the specific areas searched for Holloway came as a result of information obtained from the two security guards, but after the court hearing, their attorneys revealed that both men are denying knowing anything about the teen, except what they read in the press.

Under the laws in Aruba, the two men can be held for another eight days without being charged while police continue to gather evidence, but an attorney for one of the men told reporters that there has been no physical evidence linking them to Holloway.

No Evidence, No Clues

"Both of them are very concerned," Chris Lejuez, the defense attorney for one of the men, said. "They are nervous. They know they are being suspected of something very heavy, very serious, but they are confident, both of them. And they have shown that confidence to me, that they very categorically deny being involved in this case."

Lejuez said that no witnesses have reported seeing the men with Holloway. "In my opinion, there is no evidence whatsoever that they are involved in the disappearance of Natalee," he said.

Meanwhile, the common-law wife of one of the men said she and he were together continuously during the time Holloway disappeared. She told reporters that she and Jones went to a concert that night and returned home together. She said Jones was sick later that night, but showed up for work the next day at 7 a.m.

See Also:
Three More Aruba Suspects Arrested
Aruban Judge Says Police Can Hold Suspects
Judge Orders Suspects Held in Teen's Disappearance

Earlier Articles:
Security Guards Detained in Natalee Holloway Case
Alabama Teen Disappears on Senior Aruba Trip

http://crime.about.com/b/a/176048.htm
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« Reply #1476 on: June 23, 2005, 10:43:26 AM »

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Did anyone else see Jay Leno's monlogue last night?  He made a horrid joke and I want to make sure everyone knows it.  It went something like this:  Interesting isn't it that the media coverage for a missing person seems to be so much more if the person is beautiful....I guess this is why nobody is looking for Dick Cheney.

He was clearly referring to Natalee's disappearance and it made me ill that he would do this in a "comedic" monologue.  

I think the reasons for the heavy media coverage are that it is intriguing, suspenseful, and close to the hearts of all parents.  Not to mention that it is occuring in what is know as a beautiful, tropical paradise.  If Natalee's pictures are shown more b/c she is beautiful, so be it, anything to help find her.  

I sent a letter to the Tonight Show stating this, but don't expect a direct reply.  I finished the letter mentioning that if Jay feels compelled to mention this case, he should talk about Texas Equusearch and what they do to find ALL missing persons and that their looks don't change the priority for finding them.  

Please spread the word on this.  I'd like to ensure NBC hears of this and will make an apology, or at least do something to help instead of making light of it.

Thank you all for taking the time to read this.


The daily show did something similar Monday.  They were mentioning the hunt from Osama and said that the reason we couldn't find him was because all of our search teams were in aruba.  I was happy that it got a boo from the audience.
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« Reply #1477 on: June 23, 2005, 10:43:49 AM »

May 29th Sunday/  May 30th Monday.

8am-10pm       Sleep, breakfast?

10am-2pm .      Happy Hour Snorkel Sail with depalm Tours the Afternoon of.
Take in all the pleasures of the sea by enjoying a half-day sail and snorkel experience on Aruba's newest catamaran. Lulled by the rhythm of the sea, lie on the spacious sun deck or enjoy a cocktail under the shaded cabin top. When you are ready to experience the beauty of the sea below the waterline let our friendly crew assist you as you prepare for your snorkeling adventure. Snorkeling stops include the coral-laden Antilla wreck, fish-friendly Boca Catalina and the unique Arashi reef. During your snorkel experience indulge in a delicious lunch prepared by top island chefs or sample a cool tropical drink or beer from the open bar. Any report of pot or heavy drinking?

2pm-7?pm.        Did Nat take a nap?, shower, drink, eat? pack? take pictures?

5pm?            Paul Van Der Sloot Arrives in Beatrix Airport with young son Valentijn? Did Joran pick up his father?

7pm-11pm       MUSIC CONCERT Havana Beach Club
Amphitheatre (outdoor on the beach) 7-11:00 p.m.
Lauryn Hill, Boyz II Men, Hosted by Doug E. Fresh.  Chances are that did Joran meet Natalee here?  Did Mickey Jones meet Natalee and or Joran here?  Was Satish here?  Deepak was working at the Internet café. Was SGC here as well? Where the Security Guards looking for targets? Any report of pot or heavy drinking?

8pm-10pm   Joran won 4th place in a Poker Tournament?  Was it here that Natalee met Joran for the first time?

11pm      Paul picks up son Joran at McDonalds.

11.30pm-1.30am.       Carlos and Charlies. About 40 Mountain Brook student were here eating or drinking.  Scuffle broke out, reason unknown. Bryan Reynolds, 18, "There was almost a fight between my friend and him," Reynolds said they were the first people he considered as potential suspects. That was the first people who came to mind," said Reynolds, who said Holloway is one of his best friends. [http://www.postherald.com/me061005.shtml]

12.00am-1.30am       Joran sneaks out, arrives with Kalpoes Brothers. Scuffle with Mountain Brook male student.

1.30am-2.30am      Cruising at California Lighthouse, Fisherman’s Hut/ Arashi Beach?

2.30am-3.00am      Joran’ s house??, Hazing, Kidnapped by SBF security?

If I leave here tomorrow
would you still remember me
For I must be travelling on now
there's too many places I gotta see
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« Reply #1478 on: June 23, 2005, 10:44:37 AM »

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Quote from: "bgcntry72"
MBHS...don't take it too seriously that your 15 minutes are turning into days.
This is not YOUR forum.
That is all, for now.


There seems to be NO reason to go after the MB folks.  They are in pain and dealing with a great loss right now. IMO there is NO basis for such attacks, especially with people we've come to care for and support.

When and if you get evidence there is something dark and questionable about MB, Natalee or her friends..then share it with FIRM sources and research. But, ramdom attacks on anyone close to this family is wrong.


The funny thing is that they say I'm in here for attention...when I am not, as I have stated, a close friend of Natalee, and therefore am just another poster in here. They are just annoyed that there is no information and are blaming people in this town for it. Guess I'm the only one on at the moment.
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« Reply #1479 on: June 23, 2005, 10:45:04 AM »

Frankly I don't think sex is a matter that is important if is was consentual.  She is an adult.


But I did read that the SEX was latter changed because of the interpretaion of a word that can mean petting or sex.
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