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« Reply #1600 on: June 23, 2005, 11:37:10 AM »

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some people are just really mean behind a computer screen.

And the wheel of a car.  Do the same you do to them:  leave them in the dust and forget them.  Btw we all apprecate your input and sorry you and others are swept up in this..


HEREZ a thought::

what if JVDS  did pick up Joran at 11 at McD"S...the two bro's picked him up to sneak over to C&CS there are gonna be hot chicks there...Natallee and Joran hook up...He says he
will take her back to hotel...NH may have at first
thought it was a cab but too late...Joran assures they are his friends...on the way the bro's mention stopping by a hot underground party...there are drugs involved...then something bad happens =
why they said they all had sex with her and Thought sh'ed show up at a crackhouse?


friend:  you hve it to a point.  we just can't figure out what happend after she left but it certainly can be narrowed down to some risky behaviour on the part of some or all that ended bad.  alchohol was definitely a factor.  there are witnesses to that.  what other factors?  there have been reports of sex and speculation about drugs, extasy, date rape,etc.  lorenzo's questioining brings in underground parties.  if natalee ingested crack she could have easily gone off the deep end and if kept doped up will not easily let it go.  deepak mentioned a crack house and so did "jug" twitty early on.  we have testimony of a recent visitor that crack is a problem on aruba.  I suspect it is actually pasta basica de coca (unrefined coca paste from nearby Colombia) which is similar to crack.  we just don't have enough to forulate a crdible hypothsis.  But if crack is involved, she could still be alive.


No. No. No. Mama van der Sloot said that Joran never did drugs. So, this can't be true. The Brothers from the Soul Festival (those filthy black drug-addicted low-life scum) must have taken her to a crack party where she OD'd.
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« Reply #1601 on: June 23, 2005, 11:37:31 AM »

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Okey doke ya'll I'm taking my kitties to the vet...be on tonight.



I want one!!

See ya laters...
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« Reply #1602 on: June 23, 2005, 11:37:41 AM »

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Also, I wonder why it was so important for Joran to go to C&C even though it was going to close right away?


Because the horny kid thought he was going to get laid.


Surprised  WOW Scott - not mincing any words there - lol
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« Reply #1603 on: June 23, 2005, 11:37:41 AM »

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I am sure it would take a kidnapper YEARS to figure out were these devices are implanted and how.
So now you've got a kidnapped kid with a hole gouged in their neck or back, and their tracking rice in a trash can somewhere.
FANTASTIC!!!


Yes, they will have to randomize placement or we'll have kids with body parts hacked off. Something like this WILL deter abduction. It isn't foolproof, but it would take time to locate and remove the chip. Most kidnappers don't want to be exposed to this type of danger of apprehension for long. If Natalee had this implant, they'd just go get her, right now.


Why not just use a big ass magnet.
Hmm. Your way of thinking is scary.


Not to "suck" the chip out of the kid, but to render the chip useless by wiping whatever is stored in memory. Similarly, a good shock would probably do the same.
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« Reply #1604 on: June 23, 2005, 11:38:49 AM »

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Nancy Drew wrote: While we're not sure that describes Joran's family, it's very possible.

My response: I will go one step further and say challenge you to find ONE instance in which EITHER Joran OR his family deviates from this profile.


I really don't know enough about the parents or Joran to give an opinion. AND, I am not a trained mental health professional able to pass out diagnoses.

As I said, it's very interesting, and seems very possible.  However, given we really don't have a full profile, except media reports, I would never say this is for sure.


Nancy_Drew  -- I sent you a PM, but I can't tell if they go through -- there's no confirmation that I can see.


Chloe:

I haven't received a PM from you.  Please send again.

Thanks!
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« Reply #1605 on: June 23, 2005, 11:39:29 AM »

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I am sorry if I have missed this...

Is there a place online that I can purchase one of the "Hope for Natalee" bracelets?  Does anyone know if they are available anywhere in Meridian, MS.  Natalee's dad lives here but I have not heard anything about the bracelets being available locally.  

THANKS!


I don't think that they are avaliable online...KKM said she'd buy them, and I will too, but DivaToo just told me Western only has 150 left and I can't leave right now...I have to get my cat to the vet before I go to the Western. What I've been telling people is if they want to go ahead and send money I'll buy them, but if they are sold out I can put the money in the Holloway's bank account.
I'm on my way there right now.  Will let you know how many I bought when I get home.
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« Reply #1606 on: June 23, 2005, 11:39:46 AM »

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Also, I wonder why it was so important for Joran to go to C&C even though it was going to close right away?


Because the horny kid thought he was going to get laid.


Surprised  WOW Scott - not mincing any words there - lol


He had the magic potion in his pocket. No four hours of sweet talk required.
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« Reply #1607 on: June 23, 2005, 11:40:30 AM »

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I am sure it would take a kidnapper YEARS to figure out were these devices are implanted and how.
So now you've got a kidnapped kid with a hole gouged in their neck or back, and their tracking rice in a trash can somewhere.
FANTASTIC!!!


Yes, they will have to randomize placement or we'll have kids with body parts hacked off. Something like this WILL deter abduction. It isn't foolproof, but it would take time to locate and remove the chip. Most kidnappers don't want to be exposed to this type of danger of apprehension for long. If Natalee had this implant, they'd just go get her, right now.


Why not just use a big ass magnet.
Hmm. Your way of thinking is scary.


Not to "suck" the chip out of the kid, but to render the chip useless by wiping whatever is stored in memory. Similarly, a good shock would probably do the same.
Errrrkay.... scary but interesting. You now have a point.  Wink
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« Reply #1608 on: June 23, 2005, 11:40:36 AM »

Fox is saying that the FBI is going to scale back in Aruba.
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« Reply #1609 on: June 23, 2005, 11:40:36 AM »

Does anybody have any of the tickle site addresses of the suspects and/or their friends....  my memory is playing tricks, I think...gotta go check something out.
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« Reply #1610 on: June 23, 2005, 11:40:46 AM »

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ANy new info..had to run an errand for work.....been off for about an hour....if anything if you dont mind, please sum it up for me .........thanks so much


other than some psychological profiling, revisionism and speculaton:   nada, nix, zilch,


Gotcha...thanks iquitos!
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« Reply #1611 on: June 23, 2005, 11:40:56 AM »

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ya know, i was thinking..you can get a chip to be implanted to track your pets, why cant someone get something like that for their kids??It doesnt have to be implanted ,per se, but something that has to be worn, etc..I mean, come on..we need to invent SOMETHING that can help us locate kids when they just cannot be found...just my thoughts....


That's something to Ponder



Yea, ponder this...maybe that is why it is all happening...to make you think you need to chip your kids...and that you need big brother to protect you from the bad guys...then eventually you have to chipped in order to work, to buy, or to sell...666
woah....REVELATIONS Confused

oh, good morning all   Wink



Yep, no chip implants for me or my son, no way. Uhuh. Go ahead and bash away for me being a 'Christian Red-Stater' Sorry folks, I'm not letting the local Publix scan my hand to pay for groceries, or letting anyone track me by GPS.
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« Reply #1612 on: June 23, 2005, 11:41:33 AM »

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I am sure it would take a kidnapper YEARS to figure out were these devices are implanted and how.
So now you've got a kidnapped kid with a hole gouged in their neck or back, and their tracking rice in a trash can somewhere.
FANTASTIC!!!


Yes, they will have to randomize placement or we'll have kids with body parts hacked off. Something like this WILL deter abduction. It isn't foolproof, but it would take time to locate and remove the chip. Most kidnappers don't want to be exposed to this type of danger of apprehension for long. If Natalee had this implant, they'd just go get her, right now.


Randomized placement.
This is really getting good.
So, there are 239 different procedures outlined and tested to place the chips in 239 different places on the body.
Do you have any idea what it takes to certify a medical procedure?
Maybe load the tracking chip in a gun and just shoot it at the child in a dark room so NO ONE knows exactly where it is.
I think you are pulling out of the garage with the door shut!


Oh sorry.  Well, let's just keep doing what we've always done and keep watching our kids disappear and wring our hands. Speaking of being in the garage with the door shut, why don't you? Leave your car running while you're at it...K?
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« Reply #1613 on: June 23, 2005, 11:41:41 AM »

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Also, I wonder why it was so important for Joran to go to C&C even though it was going to close right away?


Because the horny kid thought he was going to get laid.


You got it!  If there's one word to describe the roots of this crime/case IMO it's HORMONES....in a boy/man who had disconnected controls.  Not sure, but this is why I sense this is a simple case...horrific...but, simple.
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« Reply #1614 on: June 23, 2005, 11:41:54 AM »

On Fox news right now - FBI is scaling back from 7 to 5 men - will pull 2 men off the island/case.....
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« Reply #1615 on: June 23, 2005, 11:42:43 AM »

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I am sorry if I have missed this...

Is there a place online that I can purchase one of the "Hope for Natalee" bracelets?  Does anyone know if they are available anywhere in Meridian, MS.  Natalee's dad lives here but I have not heard anything about the bracelets being available locally.  

THANKS!


I don't think that they are avaliable online...KKM said she'd buy them, and I will too, but DivaToo just told me Western only has 150 left and I can't leave right now...I have to get my cat to the vet before I go to the Western. What I've been telling people is if they want to go ahead and send money I'll buy them, but if they are sold out I can put the money in the Holloway's bank account.
I'm on my way there right now.  Will let you know how many I bought when I get home.


I only bought a few since they only had 150, I'll let you, MBHS05 get them. Manager said it was hard keeping them in.
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« Reply #1616 on: June 23, 2005, 11:44:02 AM »

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On Fox news right now - FBI is scaling back from 7 to 5 men - will pull 2 men off the island/case.....


 Sad  I wonder why? The Arubans won't let them do much or there isn't much more they can do?!
 Crying or Very sad
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« Reply #1617 on: June 23, 2005, 11:44:12 AM »

You know just thinking about FOM"s theory for a second and it occured to me that this might be the reason the father excpects 9 or 10 more witnesses to be called forward.
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« Reply #1618 on: June 23, 2005, 11:45:02 AM »

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some people are just really mean behind a computer screen.

And the wheel of a car.  Do the same you do to them:  leave them in the dust and forget them.  Btw we all apprecate your input and sorry you and others are swept up in this..


HEREZ a thought::

what if JVDS  did pick up Joran at 11 at McD"S...the two bro's picked him up to sneak over to C&CS there are gonna be hot chicks there...Natallee and Joran hook up...He says he
will take her back to hotel...NH may have at first
thought it was a cab but too late...Joran assures they are his friends...on the way the bro's mention stopping by a hot underground party...there are drugs involved...then something bad happens =
why they said they all had sex with her and Thought sh'ed show up at a crackhouse?


friend:  you hve it to a point.  we just can't figure out what happend after she left but it certainly can be narrowed down to some risky behaviour on the part of some or all that ended bad.  alchohol was definitely a factor.  there are witnesses to that.  what other factors?  there have been reports of sex and speculation about drugs, extasy, date rape,etc.  lorenzo's questioining brings in underground parties.  if natalee ingested crack she could have easily gone off the deep end and if kept doped up will not easily let it go.  deepak mentioned a crack house and so did "jug" twitty early on.  we have testimony of a recent visitor that crack is a problem on aruba.  I suspect it is actually pasta basica de coca (unrefined coca paste from nearby Colombia) which is similar to crack.  we just don't have enough to forulate a crdible hypothsis.  But if crack is involved, she could still be alive.


No. No. No. Mama van der Sloot said that Joran never did drugs. So, this can't be true. The Brothers from the Soul Festival (those filthy black drug-addicted low-life scum) must have taken her to a crack party where she OD'd.
 

calm down prof.  you are twisitng again.  i made no reference to joran and drugs.  i said that drugs are a likely factor in what happened to natalee.  i did not say she voluntarily took them. i know few people who tell their moms if they do drugs but joran does not appear to have a personal drug problem,  do you have any basis for thinking that other than your personal animus toward him?  we are more inclined to think he or his friends could have administered a date rape drug to natalee or that she could have been drugged by someone else before she left with them after their last minute appearance at the bar.
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« Reply #1619 on: June 23, 2005, 11:46:19 AM »

Harold Copus, former FBI specialist stated on Fox that the FBI is limited in what they can do in Aruba. NH is now considered a missing person. Looks to me like they are really running short on leads and going nowhere fast.
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