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« Reply #1720 on: June 23, 2005, 12:38:08 PM »

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Well this is really a sad sight to see today.

People, Tom and Red are getting press like there is no tomorrow and membership is skyrocketing and the best the forum's hottest thread can contain is slurs and racial bias. This is the currently the number 1 forum for Natalee Holloway discussions by most accounts. Each opinion can be wrong you don't have to agree but you can be civil and try to think about the greater good.


I think this is an excellent point and agree whole heartedly. The site is denegrated and its validity diminished by some of what has unnecessarily been going on here the last few days. I personally am embarassed by it and I have nothing to do with the site. But I am certain that Tom and Red are fearful of the NEGATIVE press that might be headed there way if attention stays on them. It has the potential to turn the forum and the site into a joke.
And not a very humorous one.
People should stop it out of respect not only to Natalee, but to their hosts.
We are all, as I have heard Tom say on multiple occasions, guest in his  and Reds house.



It is not everybody, so no need to attack everyone!


...was in no way meant as an attack - only an observation. If it was taken that way, my humble apologizes. Suppose I should have ended it...IMHO.
Sorry, just that I have been here from the beginning...and the tenor of the post has definitly "shifted". But certainly not by everyone.

IMHO


Yeah i hear you on that, but i have been here from the beginning too and i agree to an extent..when people are talking "socailly" that gets to me too, but i think for the most part, people are sticking to the importance of this forum
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« Reply #1721 on: June 23, 2005, 12:38:48 PM »

When I first heard that Joran said he left Natalee on the beach, I was literally picturing him leaving her lying in the sand. But now he may have meant that they walked along the beach from the Marriott to the Holiday Inn, and that he left her there to walk from the beach to the hotel. Much less sinister.

So where did Joran go after that? How did he get home? I thought I heard (can't remember where) that he said one of the Kalpoe brothers picked him up -- he first said Deepak but then changed that to Satish. Anyone else hear this???
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« Reply #1722 on: June 23, 2005, 12:39:03 PM »

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If VDS Mother is not allowed to discuss the case with her son, it seems disingenuous that she would be allowed to hear from her son about what the police are saying to him when being interrogated.


Maybe talking about he case and talking about prison treatment is 2 separate things?
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« Reply #1723 on: June 23, 2005, 12:39:08 PM »

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some people are just really mean behind a computer screen.

And the wheel of a car.  Do the same you do to them:  leave them in the dust and forget them.  Btw we all apprecate your input and sorry you and others are swept up in this..


HEREZ a thought::

what if JVDS  did pick up Joran at 11 at McD"S...the two bro's picked him up to sneak over to C&CS there are gonna be hot chicks there...Natallee and Joran hook up...He says he
will take her back to hotel...NH may have at first
thought it was a cab but too late...Joran assures they are his friends...on the way the bro's mention stopping by a hot underground party...there are drugs involved...then something bad happens =
why they said they all had sex with her and Thought sh'ed show up at a crackhouse?


I do believe the cabs in Aruba have clearly defined signs, usuall a taxi sign on the top of the roof.  And comments from MB highschool saying that Nat was enjoying her self to the point of shouting out ... Aruba! Woohoo!


I heard Taxi markings are removable.....maybe like pizza delivery. Maybe you're a taxi driver by night, then you pull off magnetic signs when you get off work. Maybe taxi and personal care one in the same.
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« Reply #1724 on: June 23, 2005, 12:39:42 PM »

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Prof - Dude! Take a breather!  There have been plenty of posters on this board who have slammed Joran and his family.

The Arubans are under attack right now. Just as Mississippians were when I was growing up. I recall Johnny Carson (pre-Leno days) joking that he made a point of going to the bathroom as his plane flew over Mississippi. This is the type of denigration the Arubans are being subjected to. It's painful. It's ugly. And it's just plain small-minded. But for you to accuse this entire forum of being racist is equally foolish.


Chloe, I hear what you are saying, but yesterday I was on this blogsite and EVERY posting was about the Brothers from the Soul Festival, and how we needed to look more closely at them. Were you there? Did you not see?

And, as for taking a breather, I have to go to work pretty soon, but I'M JUST WARMING UP. (To quote Al Pacino, in Scent of a Woman.)


It was discussed the same way the email was and the original stories as well. No need to lump all the SBF sec guards in a bucket either. It is a theory just like the 14 that are currently in my PM box. If it was bit more inviting possible those would end up here they would be discussed as well. You have stated which theory you believe and shot holes in other which is the idea here. The doesn't need to be anger and frustration about it.



I don't understand why my name appears here...yet none of these comments are mine.   Hmmmmmmmmm.


I don't see your name in any of that?


If you look at the previous version, before I added the comment it does appear.  Not a big deal...just weird.
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« Reply #1725 on: June 23, 2005, 12:39:56 PM »

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Did anyone catch what joran's mother said last night--about what Joran was telling her? That "when this girl comes forward he was going to beat her in front of her mother for hiding" I gasped when I heard this


His mom said when he first was ?'d he told his mom--just wait til they find her-I will kick her butt for all the problems she has caused us.

There is a video on fox.com with a 2-part interview on the VDS family--u can hear it from MVDS's own mouth!


He went to anger management too; right? I felt he was angry with her, but not because she got him into a mess by vanishing. JVDS mother said he went to anger management for kicking his brother? Denial


I didn't hear anything about that with MVDS interview--she did say he was a nice kid--fought with brothers-but that is normal.
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« Reply #1726 on: June 23, 2005, 12:40:50 PM »

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Absolut:

I am afraid the timeline for the future will look something like this by July 5th:

1. June 23rd  --- scaredmonkeys starts wandering off topic and  in-fighting
2. FBI pulls back 2 agents
3. June 24th Equusearch either does or does not get permission to enter island.

---------------------July 4th weekend----------

4. Fox pulls out crews. It is too expensive to stay and too expensive to return. EquuSearch the same.
5. Natalee falls off radar. BTW has to get back to the rest of her family. Comes down sporadically.
6. 116 days pass.   Everyone walks.


I will do everything in my power for that not to happen.


Why would they leave when everyone is so passionate about this? I don't see passion ebbing anytime soon. IMO
I would hate to see that as reality.


There is talk of 2 and 3 already, and 5 before July 4th. 6 Good possibility with no body. Some insiders are asking the Twittys when they are going home. Yes I know they said not without Natalee, just repeating here.
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« Reply #1727 on: June 23, 2005, 12:41:18 PM »

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This was posted on Riehl today.  

This is what the latest we got from a reporter who is known on the island to get confidential info from his friends in the police department.
1. All three guys agreed they left JVDS and NH near the Marriot on that night.
2. JVDS testified that he and NH went for a swim and after that whey walked bak to the hotel, where he walked home and NH to Holiday Inn, which is just a few 100 meters away. Easiest if you walk on the beach, there is a walkway connecting all hotels from the beach area. He insists he left her there.
3. The DJ was suspected because he told an friend erlier that he was asked to use his boat (not the TATTOO) but a smaller vessel to dump something in the sea. That's why when inteviewed he said that he saw the guys leaving the girl at the HI, but when this story came apart, they arrested him the next day.


If this is the case then it is entirely possible that an "unknown" party who may have been following NH's activities, grabbed her up between the Marriott complex (which is 3 separate buildings with the one closest to the HI under construction) and the HI. Any remember where the story of someone seeing a girl dragged off the beach is/was?
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« Reply #1728 on: June 23, 2005, 12:42:15 PM »

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This was posted on Riehl today.  

This is what the latest we got from a reporter who is known on the island to get confidential info from his friends in the police department.
1. All three guys agreed they left JVDS and NH near the Marriot on that night.
2. JVDS testified that he and NH went for a swim and after that whey walked bak to the hotel, where he walked home and NH to Holiday Inn, which is just a few 100 meters away. Easiest if you walk on the beach, there is a walkway connecting all hotels from the beach area. He insists he left her there.
3. The DJ was suspected because he told an friend erlier that he was asked to use his boat (not the TATTOO) but a smaller vessel to dump something in the sea. That's why when inteviewed he said that he saw the guys leaving the girl at the HI, but when this story came apart, they arrested him the next day.


#3 Is disturbing and plausible. Interesting stuff.


Still does not explain the three lying at the very beginning.  Don't give me  this, "They were scared," crap either.  I'm convinced that they are holding something back.  If this was all it was to #3 then they would have figured out what that "something" was and he wouldn't be in jail right now.
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« Reply #1729 on: June 23, 2005, 12:42:37 PM »

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Did anyone catch what joran's mother said last night--about what Joran was telling her? That "when this girl comes forward he was going to beat her in front of her mother for hiding" I gasped when I heard this


His mom said when he first was ?'d he told his mom--just wait til they find her-I will kick her butt for all the problems she has caused us.

There is a video on fox.com with a 2-part interview on the VDS family--u can hear it from MVDS's own mouth!


He went to anger management too; right? I felt he was angry with her, but not because she got him into a mess by vanishing. JVDS mother said he went to anger management for kicking his brother? Denial


I didn't hear anything about that with MVDS interview--she did say he was a nice kid--fought with brothers-but that is normal.


AGAIN, in the first interview, Anita DID admit that she sent him to anger management classes in response to a question from Natalee's mother!
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« Reply #1730 on: June 23, 2005, 12:43:31 PM »

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Well this is really a sad sight to see today.





edittorial comment: gaijin if you think this is bad you should see the night crew!  seriously, i have not seen much change in the tone since i came in.  it gets a little raunchy when we are theoried out and there is no breaking news but it is generally civil and  informative.  we have fewer contributors from aruba and mb, but hey, they have lives too.  this is very intense and for the serious participants an almost a full time activity.  some impressive fact checking has been done here and some original research that has shown up in MSM days later.  you have to be here longer term to see what is really happening.  if you only peek in at the wrong time you might get the wrong impression. the last thing we want to do is stifle any information.  FYI here is am aruba digital for today:  

 http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am23jun05.pdf


Hey, I know what you mean. I am on at night and have sometimes had to walk away. But, I look for your posts and several others here during the day, americaninaruba for one(who I'm sure everyone is aware has disappeared the last few days) and then theres Nativelingo and Arubagirl at night. Dont get me wrong, I wasnt attempting to strike out at everyone and if it was taken that way, I apologize. If that was what I was doing, then I would be guilty of that which I condemn.
It was just an observation and a backup of the original post.
But, I am more fearful that "Just wonderings" time line might not be the ineventable "conclusion" to this tragedy.
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« Reply #1731 on: June 23, 2005, 12:43:33 PM »

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If VDS Mother is not allowed to discuss the case with her son, it seems disingenuous that she would be allowed to hear from her son about what the police are saying to him when being interrogated.


Bob - I've been thinking the same thing since I listened to her last night...
Also, someone mentioned he's reading the Bible....that's great....but keep in mind that's the only reading material he has....per mother.....but, I guess at least he *is* looking at it.
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« Reply #1732 on: June 23, 2005, 12:44:10 PM »

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some people are just really mean behind a computer screen.

And the wheel of a car.  Do the same you do to them:  leave them in the dust and forget them.  Btw we all apprecate your input and sorry you and others are swept up in this..


HEREZ a thought::

what if JVDS  did pick up Joran at 11 at McD"S...the two bro's picked him up to sneak over to C&CS there are gonna be hot chicks there...Natallee and Joran hook up...He says he
will take her back to hotel...NH may have at first
thought it was a cab but too late...Joran assures they are his friends...on the way the bro's mention stopping by a hot underground party...there are drugs involved...then something bad happens =
why they said they all had sex with her and Thought sh'ed show up at a crackhouse?


I do believe the cabs in Aruba have clearly defined signs, usuall a taxi sign on the top of the roof.  And comments from MB highschool saying that Nat was enjoying her self to the point of shouting out ... Aruba! Woohoo!


I heard Taxi markings are removable.....maybe like pizza delivery. Maybe you're a taxi driver by night, then you pull off magnetic signs when you get off work. Maybe taxi and personal care one in the same.


You could be right, in Mexico you wouldn't really no the difference between a taxi car vs. a personally used car. They aren't all marked as taxi's.
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« Reply #1733 on: June 23, 2005, 12:44:27 PM »

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Quote from: "absolut"
Quote from: "Just Wondering"
Absolut:

I am afraid the timeline for the future will look something like this by July 5th:

1. June 23rd  --- scaredmonkeys starts wandering off topic and  in-fighting
2. FBI pulls back 2 agents
3. June 24th Equusearch either does or does not get permission to enter island.

---------------------July 4th weekend----------

4. Fox pulls out crews. It is too expensive to stay and too expensive to return. EquuSearch the same.
5. Natalee falls off radar. BTW has to get back to the rest of her family. Comes down sporadically.
6. 116 days pass.   Everyone walks.


I will do everything in my power for that not to happen.


Why would they leave when everyone is so passionate about this? I don't see passion ebbing anytime soon. IMO
I would hate to see that as reality.


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« Reply #1734 on: June 23, 2005, 12:44:31 PM »

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i get it, arrange a cat fight to raise already obscene ratings. no ethics here, just greed and vanity.


On the money, Iquitos.


Yep.  If Greta's efforts can accomplish anything - then, lovely.  However, her "integrity" as a journalist has undergone a bit of a transformation since moving to Fox.  She exclusively covers the sensational.  I have to believe this is largely due to the "climate" that is Fox.  Rupert is a tabloid publisher at his core and this infuses all Fox media.

Not necessarily Fox bashing, here.  I have pretty much watched them exclusively for last few years, but I can't the deny the obvious.  A whore is a whore is a... That said, it's the lesser of evils among vices of other networks.


MY RESPONSE STARTS HERE...guess I messed up the "reply" function....
I agree she's covering the more sensational cases...but, then they all do.  I still think she's the best Fox has...And, I think she's provided the best, most informative, factual coverage on this case.  Except the news guy she had on last night that didn't know Satish was the younger brother!  Sheesh.[/quote]
Greta is the most impartial journalist Fox has.  I respect her.  She is the only one who truly is "fair and balanced" IMHO.
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« Reply #1735 on: June 23, 2005, 12:44:51 PM »

Reducing the number of FBI agents working on this case is of great concern. The report said there "wasn't enough for them to do"....Since it's still relatively early...why is this happening?  Someone should get to the bottom of this.
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« Reply #1736 on: June 23, 2005, 12:45:38 PM »

WHO asked the DJ to dump SOMETHING and secondly, I think LE knows something big time
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« Reply #1737 on: June 23, 2005, 12:46:09 PM »

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Quote from: "iquitos"
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Well this is really a sad sight to see today.

People, Tom and Red are getting press like there is no tomorrow and membership is skyrocketing and the best the forum's hottest thread can contain is slurs and racial bias. This is the currently the number 1 forum for Natalee Holloway discussions by most accounts. Each opinion can be wrong you don't have to agree but you can be civil and try to think about the greater good.


Seems this is the pot calling the kettle black!


How is that I have never insulted or used slurs to or about anyone on this site or the case. Not even you Nancy.


careful nancy or i will call you an arrogant, obnoxious slimeball who turns one's stomach


Uhhhhh, hope not AND I did apologize for my comment.


I apologize. I am responsible for making the racial slurs explicit. Before me, they were only IMPLIED.

Yes, I have raised questions about race. I am a clarifier. I like to see everything right out in the open. That is the strength of a blog. It provides a forum for cutting through the bullsh*t. Others are responsible, too. But I accept my responsibility. The amazing thing about Red and Tom is that they almost never get involved. Neither does Catriana. I value all of your opinions, but I cannot resist the temptation to cut you off at the knees when youu are posting bullsh*t.
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« Reply #1738 on: June 23, 2005, 12:46:22 PM »

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Quote from: "bobntexas"
If VDS Mother is not allowed to discuss the case with her son, it seems disingenuous that she would be allowed to hear from her son about what the police are saying to him when being interrogated.


Bob - I've been thinking the same thing since I listened to her last night...
Also, someone mentioned he's reading the Bible....that's great....but keep in mind that's the only reading material he has....per mother.....but, I guess at least he *is* looking at it.


She could be hearing these details from the team of lawyers.  I suspect they would be privy to such things.
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« Reply #1739 on: June 23, 2005, 12:46:33 PM »

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Quote from: "trimmer"
This was posted on Riehl today.  

This is what the latest we got from a reporter who is known on the island to get confidential info from his friends in the police department.
1. All three guys agreed they left JVDS and NH near the Marriot on that night.
2. JVDS testified that he and NH went for a swim and after that whey walked bak to the hotel, where he walked home and NH to Holiday Inn, which is just a few 100 meters away. Easiest if you walk on the beach, there is a walkway connecting all hotels from the beach area. He insists he left her there.
3. The DJ was suspected because he told an friend erlier that he was asked to use his boat (not the TATTOO) but a smaller vessel to dump something in the sea. That's why when inteviewed he said that he saw the guys leaving the girl at the HI, but when this story came apart, they arrested him the next day.


#3 Is disturbing and plausible. Interesting stuff.


Still does not explain the three lying at the very beginning.  Don't give me  this, "They were scared," crap either.  I'm convinced that they are holding something back.  If this was all it was to #3 then they would have figured out what that "something" was and he wouldn't be in jail right now.


Thank YOU. exacly what i was going to say...........the fact that they lied bout droppin her off.........is making them look guilty...other than that..i dont think they got much on them
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