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« Reply #940 on: June 23, 2005, 01:03:34 AM »

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How do you think this will be resolved?  It was reported today that the interrogations have stopped for the time being.  If they want to have further sessions with the boys they have to be brought to a police station again.  Also, it was reported they are bringing in behavioral interrogation specialists.

Do you think they are at a point where the three can be "broken"?  I hope you're right about a quick resolution.


- Equusearch team on the ground --> greater probability of finding a body (sorry for being blunt) or ruling out that she's on the island (my gut feeling is that she's in the water, weighted down)

- FBI behavioural specialists being brought in --> Aruban authorities giving greater leeway to the FBI (I think they still haven't cracked these kids thoroughly)

- All parents involved going 'on the record', will catalyse the investigation ( I get the feeling Natalee's parents ALL believe the elder VDS is hiding information)

I may have missed some things along the way, but that's it in a nutshell. This has been going on too long. Natalee's dad praised the Aruban authorities tonight on FOX. IMHO, he's allowing them to 'save face', while they give more leeway to the FBI. Bashing Aruban LE (as they may have done in the past) does them more harm than good.
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« Reply #941 on: June 23, 2005, 01:03:47 AM »

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This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You are certain of this...the plugs I mean...I just thought that was the way he wanted to fix his hair...I did notice it, though...the "different coiffure, that is.
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« Reply #942 on: June 23, 2005, 01:03:54 AM »

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Hello all,
Long time lurker, but first time poster. I would prefer to only lurk, but felt compelled to speak about Beth's strength. Having dealt with a lot of loss in my life, I understand her. And, Sandy, I'm sure you  will understand this also, the Lord gives you incredible strength when you need it most. It is all the prayers that is giving her all the strength she needs right now.
Also, anyone find Anita's comments about Joran saying he would kick Natalee's butt in front of her mother a bit disturbing?
OK, back to lurking ...thanks for all the wonderful info.


Welcome to the "other side".  Don't go back so soon!!   Very Happy
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« Reply #943 on: June 23, 2005, 01:04:22 AM »

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This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You think so?
Well I mean I'm not vain, but were I a 17 year old and didn't have much hair, I'd hair-plug it or SOMETHING so that I looked normal.


I don't know. Out here on the left coast, a lot of kids shave their heads. Pretty much anything seems to go these days. Don't know how it is in the Caribbean.

You sure those are hair plugs and not just the way his hair looks when it's gelled and spiked?
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« Reply #944 on: June 23, 2005, 01:04:29 AM »

Isquitos.........you intrigue me....

what else are the Aruban forums saying?......does anyone really think that Natalee is alive?....

if she is alive and hiding somewhere , I will rejoice......then give her a swift kick in the rump.....lol


have you figured out why Joran won't fess up yet?......we'd like this all to end....
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« Reply #945 on: June 23, 2005, 01:04:39 AM »

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This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.
If JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.
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« Reply #946 on: June 23, 2005, 01:06:05 AM »

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Isquitos.........you intrigue me....

what else are the Aruban forums saying?......does anyone really think that Natalee is alive?....

if she is alive and hiding somewhere , I will rejoice......then give her a swift kick in the rump.....lol


have you figured out why Joran won't fess up yet?......we'd like this all to end....


Yeah -- Iquitos -- come back and post more please.
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« Reply #947 on: June 23, 2005, 01:06:20 AM »

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This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You are certain of this...the plugs I mean...I just thought that was the way he wanted to fix his hair...I did notice it, though...the "different coiffure, that is.


I noticed it everytime I looked at that one picture where he has it gelled to the max and thought it looked like a babydoll's hair.  But hate to pick apart someone's physical features so I didn't dwell on it.  But I have noticed it looks strange.   Confused
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« Reply #948 on: June 23, 2005, 01:06:40 AM »

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I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
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   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
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"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."
 

Julia, this was the initial dispatch.  they later took the sex out.  they also later said natalee was "eating" and dancing at carlos and charlies.  what was she eating, jello shots?  we are pretty sure at any rate thaat she was drinkin too. not judging here but sometimes the first take is closer to the truth.  probably got a lot of complaints about the sex part.  Remember when "jug" said at one point joran separated and talked privately with the cops?  maybe thats what he told them.


Wow! Thanks for that info. IQ. I was just really surprised to see a typo in an AP dispatch.  They are usually so precise.  You've got a good point there.
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« Reply #949 on: June 23, 2005, 01:07:27 AM »

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8290302/

Joran's parents say he's innocent. Story on MSNBC.
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« Reply #950 on: June 23, 2005, 01:08:24 AM »

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JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.

Right Wink If your mom's brother is bald, watch out guys!

Anyhow, this is relevant to finding Natalee how?
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« Reply #951 on: June 23, 2005, 01:08:28 AM »

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FYI -  Check out Dan Riehl's forum - Natalee Holloway Discussion Forum 7,  there is a post there with some obscenities, so it may be deleted.  Someone purpoting to be Joran's friend at ISA wrote a long post in defense of Joran.  He spoke of some events that happened earlier in the MB trip.


Can you post it here?


Here you go:

Just some theories and facts.. The case of Natalee was 100% being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. I bet you she is not even dead, she's probably running away because her parents are so strict and sooo overprotective, and she might have found somebody nice and ran away with him.. maybe she was also kidnapped because his father works in a very high position for the government.. how about that fact? .. Did you know that Natalee's mom came to aruba with FBI ONE day after natalee was lost.. I mean she had to have everything planned already.. She knew that this was going to happen to Natalee one day.. Natalee has known Joran Van Der Sloot almost three days before she dissapeared they've talked and hung around with each other by the hotel area of Holiday Inn (which was clearly stated by one of Natalee's classmate).. I've known Joran for 5 years now I'm forced to know everybody in my class because my school is such a small community and I only have 9 students in my senior class.. which includes joran in it.. He is a very easy going guy, I have never seen him hit a girl or fight with someone in all the 5 years I've been with him.. I am 100% confident that Joran is not capable of doing such a thing.. just like Natalee's mom is 100% that her daughter is an angel, and she will never get drunk/go out with strangers (Which I have seen her myself Friday and thursday night in carlos & Charlies 3 days before she dissapeared with her whole 130 classmates all fcuking wasted and fcuking drunks! dancing with locals, and grinding on stage with locals and friends (The media only show things that are positive for this girl and negative for aruba, there's are things that you've never heard before)) I mean what could be the chance that she went out with some guy? I think about 80% which she did soooo.. something is smelling very very fishy here, I know that if something goes lost here in Aruba they will definitely find it after a couple of days not after 23 days of her dissapearance, Aruba is a small island, and people/tourists cover the whole area of aruba 24/7 they cover the ground with tours and horse rides, they cover the water with jetskies and catamarans and boats.. because everybody enjoys all the beaches in Aruba, so what is the risk of losing something here and not finding it hmmm about 20%.. I'm 100% that she is on the run and she is not going to show up untill she runs out of money or ideas.. But I bet you also 100% that she will not show up here in Aruba, because I have heard rumors that she was making copies of her Passport (although her real one was found in her room at the hotel) she made it at a local store called Antracco which was confirmed by two different locals, both of them were grown female I heard them through the radio, and both confirmed that they saw somebody like Natalee in the same car wiht the Number plate V-237 Camry but eventually nobody wanted to follow up with the story because everybody think she's an angel and she's not going to do such a thing.. thus she probably sents somebody out wherever she was hiding to make a passport for her so she could get out of this country one way or another.. and I'm sure she doesn't want to show up here in Aruba because of all the angry locals that are here, just because a dumb blonde who doesn't know hot to drink got wasted and she probably got dropped off at the marriot and then did something really stupid.. About the MEDIA.. THE media Is fcuked UP! NBC and CNN are doing such a bad job at it, they just throw some news up without even confirming if it is true... then they want to say that aruba's all to blame because all the evidence and clue's were false WELL DUHH you fcuking cunts.. you dont even confirm a news before you post it.. which will result in a bad way afterwards.. ANYWAYS to my main point... this girl is a live and running! people should start thinking outside of the box.. because everything in this box was already searched.. now somebody tell me if all my theories and facts are not wrong? and please answer me back..

Posted by: Local Aruban | June 23, 2005 12:27 AM


Funny how that last part sounds EXACTLY like some posts from our own little iquitos.

Iquy, were you in Joran's class?
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« Reply #952 on: June 23, 2005, 01:10:29 AM »

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JvS has hairplugs it's not because PvS is bald. Hair loss is sex-gene related, transferred in recessive form from mom to son who then transfers it to his daughters as carriers.

Right Wink If your mom's brother is bald, watch out guys!

Anyhow, this is relevant to finding Natalee how?


LOL, I have no idea. Just that someone said PVS is bald and JVS has hairplugs (which I don't think he does).  And a costly education ought to be good for something, dammit. So.... Smile

Can anyone give a quick summary of that video on Joran's changed testimony, pretty please? TIA.
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« Reply #953 on: June 23, 2005, 01:11:28 AM »

“I’m optimistic,” Dave Holloway said during an interview with Associated Press Television News. “The FBI indicated to me that the (Aruban) police are very adequate and doing a good job. “

Dave Holloway said he also believed the three young men held the key to his daughter’s disappearance.

“These three guys cannot commit a perfect crime,” he said.
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« Reply #954 on: June 23, 2005, 01:12:41 AM »

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This may be totally irrelevant, but JVS has hair plugs. (Hair transplanted on the top of his head).  The rows are obvious in all of his photos.

PVS is bald. I've never seen a 17 year old with hair plugs. Premature balding, yes -- but hair plugs -- no.

This speaks of a mountainous ego and of a person that is terribly vain.

Being a narcissist is a hallmark of a sociopath.

Food for thought. Hmm.


You are certain of this...the plugs I mean...I just thought that was the way he wanted to fix his hair...I did notice it, though...the "different coiffure, that is.


Yeah Whitney. I've seen a lot of men with them especially when they are a work in progress.  The doctor transplants the hair in plugs in rows. There are definite plugs of rows in JVPs head.  I've noticed them in every photo that I've seen of him.
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« Reply #955 on: June 23, 2005, 01:14:18 AM »

everyone getting their JVS pictures out and blowing up the head parts
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« Reply #956 on: June 23, 2005, 01:14:53 AM »

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:::::wondering if that post was from Larissa::::

hmm


That's what I forgot. Who is this Larissa who apparently had many photos with Joran?
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« Reply #957 on: June 23, 2005, 01:15:04 AM »

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« Reply #958 on: June 23, 2005, 01:15:26 AM »

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I am new to this board and this is my first post.  I found the following information  from an Aruban  newspaper dated June 4th stating that the 3 boys admitting having sex with NH. I was wondering if anyone knows how reliable this newspaper might be, trying to determine if the information is credible. The link is provided.
Thanks.

   http://www.arubaam.com/~victor/am04jun05.pdf

"Police officers in a helicopter and in all terrain vehicles combed the area behind the lighthouse from Arashi to Westpunt in search for Natalee Holloway....Authorities decided to comb the above mentioned area after interrogating the three young men that were last seen with Natalee. The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort. The security cameras of the resort however do not show her entering the hotel at any time that evening. As a result of this the three witnesses who saw her last now become suspects."


florida:  this is an ap dispatch they printed.  ap is very reliable, probably the most reliable journalistic organization on earth.  accuracy is their daily bread.  they write most of the articles we read in all but the largest newspapers.


I have my doubts that is an AP dispatch.  There is a major typo in the paragraph.
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"The three young men declared that the took Natalee to that area, had sex with her, and then dropped her at the Holiday Inn Resort."
 

Julia, this was the initial dispatch.  they later took the sex out.  they also later said natalee was "eating" and dancing at carlos and charlies.  what was she eating, jello shots?  we are pretty sure at any rate thaat she was drinkin too. not judging here but sometimes the first take is closer to the truth.  probably got a lot of complaints about the sex part.  Remember when "jug" said at one point joran separated and talked privately with the cops?  maybe thats what he told them.


Wow! Thanks for that info. IQ. I was just really surprised to see a typo in an AP dispatch.  They are usually so precise.  You've got a good point there.
 

The above quote was taken from AM Aruba, the publication that ran the piece.  The typo may be theirs.  AP does not do typos. I saw this  AP  dispatch elsewhere but the sex was quickly removed and disappeared but the "eating and dancing" at carlos and charlies persisted.   I have no doubt this was the AP dispatch.  It is what got me into this thing.  I cannot vouch for its accuracy but they were the first on the story and carried it alone for the first few days, except perhaps for the Alabama papers which I have not thought to read although they have done some excellent work.  can you hear me?
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« Reply #959 on: June 23, 2005, 01:16:29 AM »

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Can anyone give a quick summary of that video on Joran's changed testimony, pretty please? TIA.


3 suspects brought in the same room to be interrogated together.

JVDS concurs with the brothers' reported statement that he was dropped off with Natalee at the Marriott Hotel beach

JVDS reportedly says that he called Deepak an hour later to come pick him up

Deepak reportedly says: "Why are you lying"

At which point JVDS says, "Right, it was Satish!"

WTF?!?  Of course, this comes from a 'reliable source', reported from FOX News.

We don't know where Natalee pictures in the above scenario.
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