RBN #19 - 6/23/05

[nikkibnurse]

Ummmm..been watching FOX for an hour..I still havent seen a news conference....

[RB]

Dear Arubagirl,
A couple of nights ago you stated I believe, that you thought NH was alive.
I would love to know why you think that.
I find your point of view interesting.
I would have PM'd you but it's been disabled.
Thanks.
veme

PM'ing will be disabled until our volume dies down  (sorry - better to have a board you can get to than no board at all).  Until then, if you want to exchange emails with someone using your personal account, we left the email buttons up for you.  Mash that button, email,  and have a nice day

[Loren]

Puggy- there are examples of killers behaving completely cool and collected right after their having commited the crime from cane and able to jeffrey Dahmer.

[cancon]

Wonder Woman my nephew has yours beat, he will play poker to 4 am quite often BUT not on a school night and not the night before an exam

it is his only vice, he doesn't smoke or drink or do drugs or womanize and he tells his parents where he goes and he actually tells the truth,  unlike his younger brother....

[Ting]

A news item that may have gone unnoticed with all the VDS news: The FBI announced today that they will be scaling back their Aruba presence.

My speculation is that the US would like to see the case wound up, and operations in the Caribbean to assume a lower profile.

I still haven't found the text of the family's statement today, but I also still have a hunch that even if a confession can be obtained that indicates Natalee's death and unlikely recovery of remains, that Mrs. Beth will not accept cosmetic closure, even if urged to do so by her government.  

And I don't think Mrs. Anita will either. "Something is terribly wrong," she says, and while, as Arubagirl says, at the moment, some on the island may be enjoying a few chortles over the latest detainee,  depending on what happens next, it could be that thoughts could turn in a direction that could impact that lower operational profile the US seeks.

I also get the impression (not from any specific post on this board) that having one family member witness another undergoing US-style interrogation techniques may not be a good cultural match for Aruba, or the Netherlands.

[AzRose]

I live on the periphery of the world and we do not receive FOX here - can someone tell me what Greta is going to be talking about or to whom tonight. Thanks

She will be interviewing the mother of the Kalpoe's brothers.

And possibly the 2nd part of the VDS interview which could be very telling since it is the PVDS portion. Not sure if she will be allowed to air it.

Ooooohhhh, didn't hear about Part 2 of the VDS interview.  That will be interesting if they are allowed to air it.  Thanks for the heads up.  

[nancy_drew]

I haven't either!  Although someone reported here it ran on some local stations...or parts of it did.

[Just me]

Brenda, it's not ever, EVER allright to post people's phone numbers on a message boards, just because their last name happens to coincide with a member of the prosecution.

Ever think about that?

You are so right!

and then it is not alright to misquote me...i have NEVER put the croes name on the internet....but have provided the links to anyone listed in the phone book.

i AM guilty of posting all publicly listed numbers for all Aruban officials, as well as the VDS family and Kelpoe family.....  They deserve to be contacted - and if you were to quote me correctly - in writing....

A mass quantity of mail - and i did suggest snail mail - to these families is not a bad idea.  If they have any morals at all they would demand their sons tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

Quote me correctly next time, ok?  I am quite sure you are capable of that....

She said people's not Croes.

and do you know of any arrestee with same name as an official other than croe????  

IS ok....I don't have "wittle" feelings in danger of being damaged any time in the future.

HOwever, the point i was making is that NATALEE IS MISSING, AND NEEDS TO BE FOUND.

1.  pressure needs to be maintained.
2.  arrests have occurred due to the pressure - even by mama vds's admission.
3.  it is high time that Mrs Beth Holloway Twitty gets to either get her daughter back alive, and if not alive - home for a decent Christian burial.

Unfortunately - I believe this is a case of a rape gone bad, with sonny boy being the culprit and papa helping to cover.  It seems that I may not be alone in these thoughts since pressure is being applied from all over the world - and the fact that sonny and papa are now sitting in jail.

I would love to believe that mama vds still believes taht sonny is innocent - but I don't.  She isn't a stupid woman - she is college educated.  It is time for her to demand (from sonny/hubby) that Beth at least gets the body back to bury.  

And if contacting the family is offensive - as in putting on "unfair" pressure - then so be it.  My vote is to end the pressure on Natalee's family.

I understand that the parents want her home, but I don't think it helps when you put phonenumbers of relatives here. I don't know if you have kids yourself, but sometimes not the whole family knows what their son/brother or grandson is doing all the time. When they grow up you've got to let go and let them make their own decisions. So at their age, as a parent you do not know all the time what they are doing. I still feel you are full of anger. and I can understand, but it costs so much energy that you could use for positive things. And I sound like a psychologist or whatever the name is, and I'm not.

[puggywug]

Puggy- there are examples of killers behaving completely cool and collected right after their having commited the crime from cane and able to jeffrey Dahmer.

I understand that.  That is my point.  "Sociopaths" have no compassion, so after they commit a horrible crime, they go back to their everyday life routine.

[cancon]

from watching all of Natalee's parents last night on Greta's On the Record

Dave H, Beth H and Jug Twitty, they all said separately that they believed the investigation was finally going in the right direction

by the hints they were all letting slip last night, today's arrest should not be a surprise

I suspect the FBI, if they are reducing their presence are doing so because they feel the case is near solved

but I read at riehl worldview that only one FBI agent the profiler was being sent back

[Angiex911dsptchr]

What medication was in Natalee's bag in the hotel room?

 Good question..  have seen it asked numerous times and never saw an answer to it.. IF there was one.. Forgive me!

[Loren]

Puggy-My apologies....

[RB]

I understand that the parents want her home, but I don't think it helps when you put phonenumbers of relatives here. I don't know if you have kids yourself, but sometimes not the whole family knows what their son/brother or grandson is doing all the time. When they grow up you've got to let go and let them make their own decisions. So at their age, as a parent you do not know all the time what they are doing. I still feel you are full of anger. and I can understand, but it costs so much energy that you could use for positive things. And I sound like a psychologist or whatever the name is, and I'm not.

If phone numbers are contained in any post, that post will be edited to remove them.  If you want a phone number, the good folks at Yahoo or Switchboard.com can help you out.

[Professor]

I apologize in advance, if some of you find this tiresome, but early this morning it occurred to me that Joran van der Sloot may fit the classical pattern of a narcissistic personality.

While interesting to read about the narcissistic personality, I do not think we know enough to pass this judgement.  Even if I were a trained psychologist, I'd be hesitant to use this label lightly.

You are correct. We do not know enough to pass judgement here. This is a blog for breaking news, rumor, and speculation, and that is all this is, along with everything else on this message board.

[puggywug]

Puggy-My apologies....

No problemo! Now, I will berate you and write hateful, sarcastic things to you for another hour....JUST KIDDING!  

[nancy_drew]

Is it possible to change the email address on the SM account?  Or, do you have to register all over?

[Mom in Ark]

A news item that may have gone unnoticed with all the VDS news: The FBI announced today that they will be scaling back their Aruba presence.

My speculation is that the US would like to see the case wound up, and operations in the Caribbean to assume a lower profile.

I still haven't found the text of the family's statement today, but I also still have a hunch that even if a confession can be obtained that indicates Natalee's death and unlikely recovery of remains, that Mrs. Beth will not accept cosmetic closure, even if urged to do so by her government.  

And I don't think Mrs. Anita will either. "Something is terribly wrong," she says, and while, as Arubagirl says, at the moment, some on the island may be enjoying a few chortles over the latest detainee,  depending on what happens next, it could be that thoughts could turn in a direction that could impact that lower operational profile the US seeks.

I also get the impression (not from any specific post on this board) that having one family member witness another undergoing US-style interrogation techniques may not be a good cultural match for Aruba, or the Netherlands.

I thought the Aruban's were doing their own interrogating.  Pardon my ignorance, but what ARE U.S.-style interrogation techniques?  I got no clue...

[Loren]

Puggy-LOL!

[Whitney]

My cousins are spoiled rotten and both of their parents have gotten them out of trouble time and time again...and guess what, the trouble never ends. If someone is going to pick up the pieces for you, what the hell, have at it.

Exactly.  And that is the impression I have here.  Once again, I go back to when the Twittys arrived at the VDS home at 3am and they are told that Joran is at the casino (on a school night).  I think daddy let Joran do many things he shouldn't have been doing and I think he helped Joran clean up his messes.  I feel differently about the mother and I'll kick myself in the butt if I'm wrong, but I truly believe that at this point she is trying so hard to believe in her husband and her son, but inside she it being torn apart.  You can just see it in her.  There very well may be more people involved here, but I believe most of them are "after the fact".

IT was approx 1a.m. not 3a.m.  it is a bit different.....

I think there has been a debate about that.  We have been saying all along that it was about 1am, but Mr. Twitty said 3am.  Either way, 1am on a school night in a casino is unbelievable.

Jug places them there, initially at "within 3 hours of getting there."  Jug is quoted as that is about 3 o'clock (in the morning) in response to a direct question from Greta V.

[absolut]

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