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« Reply #540 on: June 23, 2005, 04:02:26 PM »

KackyLacky your voice track fits right in with my theory Smile

How else could JVDS be at a casino the next night in the middle of the night he and papa shared that secret.
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« Reply #541 on: June 23, 2005, 04:02:44 PM »

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Wondering if Sloot Jr. said something during his interrogation today??  They questioned Sloot Sr. over the weekend and are just now arresting him..maybe they cracked Sloot Jr.


MAYBE THEY R PAYING ATTENTION TO MSM (i.e.,-US HERE @ SM SITE!)


The Pond, search the smelly pond.....


someone is posting at a psyhic board that she will be found in that pond in Noord, near joran's house


Could you give me that URL (link, whatever) from that psyhic board? No problem if it is in papiamento, I do understand papiamento too..Rubiano mi ta Smile

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« Reply #542 on: June 23, 2005, 04:02:52 PM »

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Who was the source for saying that the Kalpoe bros. and Steve Croes might be released soon?

Of course, if we've learned anything about all of this, it's that we don't know much, because of the way Dutch law holds on to information.

But I would think that, given the way that the Kalpoes have apparently lied about all of this and kept changing their stories from the start, they appear to me, still, to be just as involved in this as Joran.

Why would they lie otherwise, once they were arrested?

Do you really think that, even after they were in significant trouble, that they would risk going down along with their friend?

No! If they had nothing to do with this, they would rat him out in a heartbeat!

All the indications are that they know what happened, and that they are probably just as responsible as Joran is.


As far as releases there will be none at this time. They will be back in court in aprox. two days (rumored) to be tomorrow.

I can state, that if there be any possible releases, Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der sloot will NOT be among the list.  Wink
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« Reply #543 on: June 23, 2005, 04:03:19 PM »

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Can you imagine this.....

sonny boy gets dropped off at beach with Miss Natalee.....he tries to "take some" and Natalee says "NO", "I really need to get back"....

sonny boy gets pissed off that he can't get every single thing in life he wants, especially with a very pretty and classy American Lady....and kills her and then "takes some" just to "teach her a lesson".....

sonny boy calls daddy vds, hey daddy "this american chick wouldn't put out, so i taught her a lesson"....

daddy vds says "where ya at sonny boy, let me give you a helping hand"....

daddy vds picks up sonny boy, disposes of boy, acts smug ever since - with mommy vds  saying "my sonny boy is perfect, even gets really good grades at school i teach at...and honest, really, i don't influence that!"


Kinda like when she said, "He doesn't like to get up to go to school but when he finally gets there, he's ok"

Um, I'm guessing not getting up to go to school shows a bit of arrogance????   Shocked  duh.
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« Reply #544 on: June 23, 2005, 04:03:38 PM »

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My gut feeling on this is that Nat died (I'm leaning towards accidentally, but you never know) at Joran's house and that dad disposed of the body.  I've been hoping not, but it's looking more & more like this is the case.


And the brothers were there.  PVS tells them that he'll handle it.  They just need to say they dropped her at the hotel.  They left and went home.  Joran was later told by his dad to not say anything.  He's lasted this long by doing what his dad said and knowing that if he tells everything, it will bring his father down, too.
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« Reply #545 on: June 23, 2005, 04:03:38 PM »

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Ok here goes.

I believe the brothers story of dropping JVDS and NAT at Marriott Beach. Something happens (no idea if she was predrugged, drugged at all or killed by JVDS, or some other means.) JVDS freaks calls dad. Dad comes with now the 2nd car she is in (in whatever condition) dad either has JVDS help him or takes JVDS home and disposes of the body (very well I might add) JVDS makes sure that people at school and the brothers are on the same page about HI etc. But he doesn't tell them what happened either.

The emails we read could very well be that cover in writing. The brothers may still be held on obstruction charges, same with Croes, all for lying.

JVDS and PVDS are going down for this one. How long til PVDS confesses?


Absolut - Your scenario is almost exactly what my current thinking is.  My other thought is along the same lines, but that instead maybe Deepak picked Jaron and Natalee and took her to Jaron's house (and she may have died there).  Then PVDS helped take care of their problem.  I don't think Satish has anything to do with any of it.
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« Reply #546 on: June 23, 2005, 04:03:58 PM »

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I think she's (Mrs. VDS) finally decided that she needs to speak up to defend her son.
That 'taking the high road' and keeping quiet is not working.

I'm not saying he's not guilty (or guilty for that matter) just that being a mom, you can only take so much before you have to defend your child.


Exactly, I think Anita is a very, nice compassionate person.  After seeing them interviewed my opinion has toatally changed about them . They are good people and only want answers and whats best for their son.


Maybe Anita but Paulus, NAH
Did you see Greta's crew do a close up of all that sweat rolling down PapaSmurfs head? EEEWWW get a hanky , dude!


No I liked him too !!
They showed a lot of class, if someone was saying the stuff they are saying on the media about my son and my family. I don't think I would be as kind.


Re: the close-up of PVDS.....my husband was watching with me and he said he'd be sweating too......first the stress they have all been under and the camera lights as well..Mrs. VDS was perspiring too...I felt very sorry for both of them... Greta mentioned Mr. being very quiet and Mrs. verified that he is very quiet person.....his voice is also very quiet....I don't know if he is anyway involved...but I did gain respect for him when he immediately invited Mrs. HT and Greta in the house the other night....that was the first thing he said.....not what the hell are you doing here!  I doubt I would have been so gracious. Anyway...JMO
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« Reply #547 on: June 23, 2005, 04:03:59 PM »

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KackyLacky your voice track fits right in with my theory Smile

How else could JVDS be at a casino the next night in the middle of the night he and papa shared that secret.


Yes I have thought this for some time! BTW I won a little over 2 grand after taxes in your neck of the woods a while ago!
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« Reply #548 on: June 23, 2005, 04:04:37 PM »

Where are all the real psychics when we need them.  Looks like if one "saw something" they would have gone to the authorities by now.  I hope and pray that she is found alive but my heart grows more weary by the day.
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« Reply #549 on: June 23, 2005, 04:04:40 PM »

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Ok here goes.

I believe the brothers story of dropping JVDS and NAT at Marriott Beach. Something happens (no idea if she was predrugged, drugged at all or killed by JVDS, or some other means.) JVDS freaks calls dad. Dad comes with now the 2nd car she is in (in whatever condition) dad either has JVDS help him or takes JVDS home and disposes of the body (very well I might add) JVDS makes sure that people at school and the brothers are on the same page about HI etc. But he doesn't tell them what happened either.

The emails we read could very well be that cover in writing. The brothers may still be held on obstruction charges, same with Croes, all for lying.

JVDS and PVDS are going down for this one. How long til PVDS confesses?


Good Theory, and like I said before Papa being a lawyer/judge in training whatever, knows that as long as they all stick to their stories and no body is found, his son won't go to jail. And is hoping she will be declared a cold case. And he tells the Kalpoe bros to stick to their stories, even if they know anything or not, thats why Joran hasn't broken, b/c his Dad will be involved!!!
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« Reply #550 on: June 23, 2005, 04:04:43 PM »

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Hold in prison for an extra 8 days, all four suspects....Motion filed by prosecution. According to Fox



Exactly how many local jail cells are there before one is put to KIA???
Maybe investigation is slowing because they have more people than cells....shit, and looks like they lost a judge....ooohhh!! and elections
are comming up....
I want to see Greta hangin out at the polis station...
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« Reply #551 on: June 23, 2005, 04:04:51 PM »

I can't post or recieve PM's either? I was in the Discussion of the Van Der Sloots speak out and I left for lunch and when I came back the discuusion was closed.  Can anyone tell me what is going on?
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« Reply #552 on: June 23, 2005, 04:05:02 PM »

okay i have several things to throw out - there must have been violence or drugs involved if PVDS is involved. why not call for an EMT otherwise? it's one thing for dumb kids to panic, but if natalee died from alchohol poisoning or something else - that is not joran's fault.

deepak cannot see his mom but satish can...if true, why is that? he must have more than a peripheral involvement

steve croes? is deepak's friend - so how does he fit into this.

i think PVDS is not that stupid. i'll take my lumps if i'm wrong, but my suspicion is more withholding information. and i do believe they have something like the 5th ammendment about self-incrimination if my reading has been correct.
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« Reply #553 on: June 23, 2005, 04:05:27 PM »

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As far as releases there will be none at this time. They will be back in court in aprox. two days (rumored) to be tomorrow.

I can state, that if there be any possible releases, Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der sloot will be among the list.  Wink


CaliGirl--

How do you know this? Please share!
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« Reply #554 on: June 23, 2005, 04:05:39 PM »

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Does Aruba NOT believe in Polygraphing??


that was soooo  6/11


Well guess what?  Today is soooooooooooooooooo 6/23 and I don't live on this board so you're going to see repeated questions throughout the pages!  Don't like it?  Don't read it.


 

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« Reply #555 on: June 23, 2005, 04:05:41 PM »

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Ok here goes.

I believe the brothers story of dropping JVDS and NAT at Marriott Beach. Something happens (no idea if she was predrugged, drugged at all or killed by JVDS, or some other means.) JVDS freaks calls dad. Dad comes with now the 2nd car she is in (in whatever condition) dad either has JVDS help him or takes JVDS home and disposes of the body (very well I might add) JVDS makes sure that people at school and the brothers are on the same page about HI etc. But he doesn't tell them what happened either.

The emails we read could very well be that cover in writing. The brothers may still be held on obstruction charges, same with Croes, all for lying.

JVDS and PVDS are going down for this one. How long til PVDS confesses?


Absolut - Your scenario is almost exactly what my current thinking is.  My other thought is along the same lines, but that instead maybe Deepak picked Jaron and Natalee and took her to Jaron's house (and she may have died there).  Than PVDS helped take care of their problem.  I don't think Satish has anything to do with any of it.


I think it will be confirmed the brothers were at home. The only trouble piece is that change in story yesterday about which brother picked him up, but I think that was to cover for having to say dad.
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« Reply #556 on: June 23, 2005, 04:05:43 PM »

Kackylacky,, I believe you are exactly right on with this... I can see this happening also...
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Son: Papa Papa ( at the top of his longs) Help! Quick! Something's wrong!

Dad: What ( while running obviously his son is hysterical )

Son: I don't know, I was just, and she was just, and we had been drinking, we walked, I don't know, and I don't know I can't wake her up!

Dad: (while leaning over and checking her pulse in her neck ) What the *^#@ happened? What did you do?

Son: Like I said I don't know, I just saw her like that

Dad: Were you drinking? Did the two of you take drugs?

Son: NO!  We were just...........PaPa what am I going to do, she is American

Dad: (sweating, shaking) shut up a minute and let me think

Dad: OK help me get her in the car

Son: Shouldn't we call for someone? ( all the while crying)

Dad: (closing the back of the jeep ) OK get in the house, talk to no one, email no one. Who were you with this night? This is going to ruin us!

Son: (crying) At CnC's with Deepak and Satish, they gave us a ride from there.

Dad: Call them or text them and act like you need a ride. Nothing else

Dad drives off, Son goes in the house and not only text's the bros but says I have something to tell you.

note I am not a screenwriter, but I can see this all happening in about 5 minutes and it is sickening
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« Reply #557 on: June 23, 2005, 04:05:49 PM »

If the brothers' story is true, then how would Joran have been able to move Nat in an incapacitated state from the beach area to his father's car without being seen, assuming something happened on the beach?  From what I have read, this sounds unlikely??

What other possibilities are there?

- The brothers are still lying and were with Jor/Nat to the end - before the involvement of the father

- The brothers dropped Jor/Nat off at Jor's house, in which case they would have copped to that already

I think the theory of Jor taking Nat somewhere private makes perfect sense...and the brothers may have dropped them off elsewhere.  WHy are they still lying?
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« Reply #558 on: June 23, 2005, 04:05:59 PM »

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Greta said Mama Kelpoe was allowed to see Satish with NO police presence, but she was not allowed to see Deepak.

Can't figure that one out.


...or, did she just say that was able to speak to Satish and she didn't ask about Deepak....I didn't hear her ask about Deepak...and I was wishing she had...anyone else hear that interview?[/quote

MY POST STARTS HERE~~~~~~

I too found this interesting.  We'll have to wait for the full interview tonight, but I thought she was referring to all her visits. Personally from what's been reported I do think the brothers and Croes are going to be let go at some point.  I sense they are zeroing in on the two Van Der Sloots.  Joran was kept in the jail longer for more intense questioning...the brothers and Croes were sent to prison.

Just my opinion.
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« Reply #559 on: June 23, 2005, 04:06:01 PM »

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I found this interesting.

http://scaredmonkeys.com/Discussion/viewtopic.php?t=180

It is from"Dutchlady"

No one drove in my view anyone back from any beach and this little scam is to make the beach fit. I do not see a person nearly 18 with two other males taking a girl who is leaving a night club and then deciding on sex when she is intoxicated, it does not make sense unless this is to have her incapacitated as not a romantic act. It does not compute.

Therefore, if one had a private flat at home with the parent/judge insitu or stated as such, would not any girl feel safer at this suggestion? Especially if there was a pool there, and trusted person. I speculate as to credibility of taking a person to a public place instead of a private place in a non date situation with three men when the 'victim' is incapacitated and most likely to vomit in the car or place as most taxi drivers know. I rest speculation and wait for the inner search in that 'hotspot' which is the most favourable as to empty house, pond and in the triangle of the words they said.

Lighthouse, north, beach, west, Holliday Inn South west. Missing is the East to Noord, or south to the international school which is where a ruined lighthouse is. Time says nearer to the house of Joran and where dogs do not go, or tourists.


What I've said all along. If they say one thing, go 180 the other way. Look inland.

What if Joran's second story was kinda true? what if they did go back to Joran's right after CnCs? Remember Cancunmole I think said you hit the turnoff for Noord before you hit the one for the hotels.

What if his story was PARTIALLY right when he said they dropped him off first? But what really happened was they went to his house first and Natalee got out with him (would make more sense since she wouldn't go with two guys she doesn't know). IF the Kalpoe's mother is right that they were home by 2 am, then all they had time to do after leaving CnC at 1:30 was drop off Joran and Natalee.

What if he said, "Hey, we just put in a new pool. Let's go sit out there." Maybe a little swimming, maybe he gets a little out of control, she fights and drowns? Maybe this is why papa is in on it. BECAUSE HE WAS RIGHT THERE. Now maybe that drowning story Joran tells a few hours later at school is true.

HOPING this is not the case, because I am sincerely praying she is still alive, but what if?
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