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« on: August 06, 2006, 01:24:41 PM »

PROCES-VERBAAL - JORAN
 
We, Dennis Domenico JACOBS and Luigi Angelo Giovanni  CROES, head police officer and police officer first class with the Korps Politie Aruba, first mentioned officer is attached to the Robbery Protection Team (Atraco Team) and last mentioned officer is attached to the Section Often Occuring Crimes District 2, declare/state the following.
 
On June 9th 2005, at approximately 12.00 hours, we the reporting officers interviewed as suspect in this the man named:   Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT, born in Arnhem, Netherlands on August 6th 1987, no profession student (International School of Aruba) and living on Montanja number 19 on Aruba.
 
His statement was made in dutch and was transcribed by me, JACOBS, and goes as follows.
 
Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make a statement and that this interview would be recorded on tape.
 
Although I have been informed by you that I under no obligation to make statements, I am still willing to make a statement in accordance with the truth.
 
On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father. It is a poker game in which you get 7 cards and you have to make a card combination with your best (5) cards. You get 500 U.S. $ of fake money and with this money you play. I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the "Blackjack" table to play blackjack. While I was sitting at the table the girl "Natalee" that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends. When the English speaking girls came to the blackjack table they introduced themselves. I do not remember the names of the girls anymore but they were from the same group of students that Natalee belonged to. According to me the friends of Natalee played blackjack but Natalee didn't. A girl that was sitting at my left side on the table asked me in English if I could help her play blackjack because she had lost U.S. $ 360,= of her father's money. The girl bet U.S. $ 20,= in the game and I helped her win U.S. $ 100,= with it. After the girl had won U.S. $ 100,= I advised her to call it quits but she wanted to continue. I told her again that she should stop and her friends also said that she should stop. Probably the girl after that went to cash in her chips for money. The girlfriends of the girl asked me if I was going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. I told them that I couldn't do that because I had school tomorrow. The girls kept insisting that I should meet them at "Carlos & Charlies" because it was their last night on Aruba. After they kept insisting I agreed to meet with at "Carlos & Charlies". I don't know that name of the girl but I remember her from a photo in the newspaper on which Natalee was printed on the left side of her friends and the other girl was on the right side of the friends. This girl is the same girl  that sat at my left side at the blackjack table. After this I told the girl that it was OK and that I would do my best to go to "Carlos & Charlies". After that the group of girls walked to the Sportsbar. In the Sportsbar I also saw to two acquaintances who were watching baseball. I greeted my two acquaintances and told them that I was doing fine too and that I would be going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. My two acquaintances are named "Luis" and "Joshua". I regularly meet them at Carlos & Charlies. The last name of Luis is "BETANCOURT". I do not know the last name of Joshua. Luis BETANCOURT is a Venezuelan and according to me Joshua is Colombian but I don't know that for sure. After that I walked next to the group of girls and they said to me that I should not forget to go to Carlos & Charlies.  I told that that I would do my best. The girl who stood printed on the right side in the newspaper told me that she was going to take a shower and that she would then go to Carlos & Charlies. I did not make an agreement with the girl as to how late I would meet them at Carlos & Charlies. After that I walked outside through the casino and when I got outside I called my father from my mobile phone which has the number "REMOVED" on the mobile phone of my mother. My mother has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession. When I called my father it was approximately 23.00 hours. I told my father that I was ready and if he could come and pick me up at "Mc Donalds". After that I had called my friend "Jaime CARASQUILLA" on his mobile phone. I do not know his phone number from memory but I have programmed his mobile phone number in the memory of my mobile phone under the name "Beto". I asked Beto what he was doing and whether he wanted to accompany me in going to Carlos & Charlies. Beto answered me that he was doing nothing but that he could not accompany me to Carlos & Charlies because he had to go to work the next day. Beto works with a transport company but I do not know the name of that company. After that I called Deepak KALPOE and asked him what he was doing and if he wanted to come with me to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak told me he was closing up "Inex" and that he would accompany me to Carlos & Charlies because he didn't have to go to work the next day. Deepak told me that he would be going home first to take a bath and that after that he would come and pick me up at my place. Deepak's nickname is "Tupac". Deepak has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I walked through the Hyatt parking lot where they have a Coca Cola vending machine and there I bought a can of coke. After that I walked to Mc Donalds and had bought a Mc Flurry there. At 23.00 hours my father came to pick me up at Mc Donalds. I am not sure about the time because I never wear a watch.

To your question as to where my mobile phone is, I answer that it is at home. My mobile phone is on my desk in my room.
 
To your question whether I have a girlfriend, I answer to you that I had a girlfriend. After this happened I told my girlfriend what had happened and she wasn't happy about it. My girlfriend's name is "Elaine" but I do not remember het last name now. I do not know the address where Elaine lives but I can point out her house to you. Elaine is Aruban and she studies at the Colegio Arubano Oranjestad. A few weeks ago she and her fellow students went to Venezuela. She now is in class V-4 on the Colegio Arubano and she is 17 years old. Elaine has a mobile phone, but her name is under the nickname "Fishy" in the memory of my mobile phone.
 
I have to say that I have another girlfriend now. Her name is "Florencia METZ". She just graduated from the Mavo and lives behind "Codemsa". Her friends and acquaintances call her "Flor". I do not know the number of her house but I can point it out to you. Flor has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". Flor is from Argentina and I talk dutch with her.
 
After my father came and picked me up at Mc Donalds we drove home. I took a shower. After that I had gotten dressed again and according to me at approximately 24.00 hours, Deepak and Satish came and picked me up at home. Before they came and picked me up I had called Deepak to ask where he has and he told me that he was on his way. At approximately 00.15 hours the three of us left for Carlos & Charlies. (with this Monday May 30th is meant; comment Jacobs). I have to say that I also called Flor and asked if she wanted to come to Carlos & Charlies. She answered that she wasn't allowed to go from her dad. Flor is 16 years old.
 
To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots. I do not remember now what underwear I was wearing. I do not remember how Deepak and Satish were dressed. I didn't tell my father that I was going to Carlos & Charlies with Deepak and Satish. I hadn't asked my father for permission because he would most likely refuse and usually I ask permission from my mother.
To your question with whom I regularly go to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I regularly go there with "Freddy ZEDAN" and "Jaime CARASQUIA". Freddy is a Venezuelan and Jaime is a Columbian. The boy named "Koen GOTENBOS" also regularly goes out with us. The names of my three friends are in the memory of my mobile phone. Freddy is under the name "Fefi" and Koen under the name "Cul".
 
After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.
 
When we entered Carlos & Charlies I was greeted by the girl who is printed on the picture. When we got in I saw that Natalee was dancing on the stage/podium. I saw that Natalee wasn't holding a drink. The friend of Natalee said to me to go and dance with Natalee because she fancied me. I took her word for it that Natalee was interested in me. Natalee made hand gestures for me to come and dance with her. I also did not see Natalee with a purse/handbag. She did this about seven to eight times. After I had refused to dance with Natalee Deepak, Satish and myself walked to the bar. There we bought a "Yard Whisky Coke". Such a drink costs U.S. $ 12,-. It is a plastic cup and it comes in different colours. I payed for all three drinks. I got a red cup but I do not remember now what colour cups Deepak and Satish got. Then the three of us walked back to the stage/podium. While I stood there Natalee saw me again. When she saw me she got down from the stage/podium and walked over to me. She grabbed my hand and asked me if I would go to the bar with her. On the way there she said to me that I had to drink a Jellyshots (handwritten with an arrow pointing to this section of the statement, it says "or body shot") off of her. I at that moment in time did know what a Jellyshot was but I did not know that she went and laid down on the bar and that I had to drink the Jellyshot from her belly button.
 
When we arrived at the bar Natalee asked for a Jellyshot. Natalee then went and laid on top of the metal bar. The bartender handed me a small plastic container/cup in which was the Jellyshot that I placed on her belly button. After I had done that I sucked the Jellyshot from her belly button. Jellyshot is a jello with alcohol in it. I do not know what kind of alcohol is in it. When Natalee got onto the bar I thought that she was drunk. I could clearly tell that Natalee had been drinking. I could smell this from the smell that came out of Natalee's mouth. I also have to say that when I saw Natalee dancing I also noticed that she had been drinking. While I was talking to Natalee Satish stood beside me the entire time.
 
Then Natalee said that she also wanted to drink a Jellyshot but the bartender told me that that bar was closed. After that Natalee and me walked to another bar that was still open at that time. I asked the bartender two shots of Bacardi 151. I still had the whisky coke in my hand. Natalee asked me if she should drink the Bacardi 151 in one go. I answered her affirmatively and she answered me that she would do it in two. Natalee said to me that she needed a "chaser" in order to drink the Bacardi. Natalee drank my whisky coke as a "chaser" and then she drank the Bacardi 151 in two goes. I payed for the two shots of Bacardi 151. I do not know where Deepak stood at that moment but according to me Satish was still standing beside me. I did not ask for another kind of alcoholic beverage because I always drink Bacardi 151. Bacardi 151 is 151 proof and that means that it is 75.5% alcohol. I payed U.S. $ 20,- for the two shots of Bacardi 151.


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After that Natalee, Satish and myself walked outside because Carlos & Charlies was almost empty. Outside I met an American tourist and he asked me if he could get my cup for free. I threw out the little cola that was still left in the cup and then I gave it to the tourist. Natalee took me by the hand and said that she wanted to go home with me. I had told her that I would take her home with me but I knew that that would be impossible because my dad and my brothers were home. Satish, Natalee and myself walked together when she asked me if she could come home with me. After I told Natalee that she was allowed to go home with me she told her friends that she would meet up later with them at the Holiday Inn Hotel. At approximately 01.15 hours, we walked from Carlos & Charlies to the outside.
 
To your question whether I called someone from my mobile phone when we were standing outside "Carlos & Charlies, I answer that I did not. At that moment I had not called anyone with my mobile phone.
 
To your question whether I know what Deepak and Satish did with their cups, I answer you that I do not know that.
 
Then Satish, Natalee and myself walked to Deepak's car. Natalee and I walked hand in hand. When we arrived at the car Deepak was already waiting for us. We got into the car and before Deepak drove off I told Deepak and Satish that Natalee wanted to go to my house but that I could not take her there because my father and brothers were home. After I told Deepak and Satish this they said it was OK. Then I told the girl that I could not take her to my house but that I could come to her hotel room. She answered me that she did not want to go to her hotel room and that she wanted to go to the North coast to watch the sharks.
 
To your question as to what Natalee meant by wanting to go to my house, I answer you the following. With this Natalee according to me meant that she wanted to have fleshly intercourse with me. I could see from her body language that she wanted to have fleshly intercourse me. I do not know if Natalee had used narcotics.
 
To your question as to who was driving the car and where we were sitting, I answer you the following. Deepak was driving the car, Satish was sitting next to him on the passenger seat. I was sitting on the backseat behind Deepak and Natalee was sitting behind Satish. The volume of the radio was at the normal volume and the windows of the car were open. With normal volume I mean that we four in the car were able to talk to each other and hear each other. When we were sitting in the car Natalee did not speak with Deepak and Satish. Without asking me who Deepak and Satish were Natalee got into the car with them. I did tell Natalee that Deepak and Satish were my friends. I have to say that Natalee asked me if Deepak and Satish were rich people, because she was impressed by their car. We drove off the parking lot and Natalee saw that her friends and girlfriends were standing between Royal Plaza Mall and the bus stop. We couldn't turn left so Deepak had to drive another around the front of Carlos & Charlies again. After that Deepak was able to turn left and Deepak stopped his car on the public road between Royal Mall Plaza and the bus stop. When we were driving passed Natalee's friends she shouted out of the back window something like "Aruba". I did not hear what Natalee yelled at her friends. At that moment Natalee was very happy. I thought Natalee was attractive. I felt Natalee wanted to party on with me. Natalee held my hand in the car. After Natalee had yelled/shouted to the group a young man came up to the car. The young man shouted at Natalee to get out of the car. Natalee answered that she did not want to get out of the car. The young man for the second time said to Natalee to get out the car. Natalee refused again to get out of the car and said that she was going to stay with us. After this the young man didn't say anything anymore to Natalee. Without me saying anyting to Deepak, he started pulling away.
 
After this we drove past the front of "Karma" and then north of the Reinnassance Hotel. There Deepak turned right and then right again into the direction of the hotels. We drove south of Royal Plaza Mall but I did not see Natalee's friends anymore. In the car Natalee told me that she was from "Alabama" and that her family was rich. She asked me if I was rich too. I answered her that I wasn't rich but that I wasn't poor either, I told her that my father was a judge and that my mother was a teacher teaching at the same school I was on. When Natalee was talking to me she was sitting with one leg into my direction. Natalee had her hand placed against her leg because I could look between her legs. Natalee wore a skirt and I suspect that she did not want us to look between her legs.
 
I told Deepak to drive to the Lighthouse because Natalee had said to me that she wanted to see sharks. I had told Natalee that there were no sharks but she insisted that she had seen sharks already. At no point had Natalee said to me that she wanted to go to the North Coast. With Deepak's car one cannot drive to the North Coast because his car is too low.
 
To your question why I got the idea to drive to the Lighthouse, I answer you that I did this because Natalee commented that she wanted to go see sharks. She also commented that we could give a a sightseeing tour.
 
When we drove south of Certified Supermarkt and Kong Hing Natalee had let go of my hand and had put her hand on my right leg and rubbed. When we arrived at the stoplights and before we drove in front of Benihana/Hooters Natalee grabbed me by the chin and we started kissing each other. The kissed for some time. We kissed until we got in the vicinity of Mc Donalds. I stopped kissing to look where we were and it is possible that I asked Deepak and Satish is we were driving to the Lighthouse. Deepak and Satish answered me that we were. During the drive a white rental car drove alongside us for about five to six seconds and Deepak wondered what was up with these men. The V-car turned into the direction of the Holiday Inn and we kept driving straight on. Driving past the front of the Marriot Hotel Natalee half fell asleep/half dozed off. After that she startled awake* and I asked her if she was OK. To this she answered that everything was fine. After that we started kissing again. I kissed her first. After that Natalee placed her hands on the top of my legs and moved...
 
*comment of the translator, With startled awake I mean that if a person falls halfway asleep/starts to doze off and suddenly jolts his/her head up again and waking up, that is what I mean with "startled awake", the sudden waking up from falling asleep/dozing off.
 
...her hand into the direction of my penis. I placed my left hand at that moment in time between the inside of her leg. I started stroking her breasts with my right hand. Natalee was wearing a bra. I did not put my hand into her bra. Natalee had normal size breasts. Beyond the Marriot Hotel and into the direction of Tierra del Sol I had fingered Natalee. With my fingers I pushed Natalee's panty to the side and fingered her with two fingers. According to me she was shaved because I did not feel any hair. I first stuck my middle finger inside and then I put my index finger inside. While I was doing this Natalee and I kept kissing. I fingered Natalee for about one to two minutes and then pulled my hand out of her panty and placed my hand on her hip. I stopped fingering Natalee because I found it improper/not nice towards Deepak and Satish. I started kissing her again and after that Natalee asked me if Deepak and Satish were my slaves. I answered her that they weren't my slaves. Natalee then said that her parents had a plantation and that to her black people were slaves.
 
To your question as to what panty Natalee was wearing, I answer you the following. Natalee wore a dark blue panty. According to me they were embroidered panties and according to me these were flowers.
 
To your question as to what Deepak and Satish were doing while I was fingering Natalee, I answer to you that they did nothing. I wasn't watching Deepak and Satish while I was fingering Natalee. When I was fingering Natalee in the car the volume of the music was not loud. Natalee could hear me when I was talking to her in the car.
 
To your question whether Deepak, Satish of myself called anyone on the way to the Lighthouse, I answer you that we did not. It is possible that I did receive a message from Flor.
 
While we were driving in the direction of the Lighthouse and were close to the dunes, Natalee fell half asleep/dozed off again. When she startled awake again she asked me where we were and I answered her that we were at the Lighthouse. Natalee then said to me that we should take her to the Holiday Inn Hotel because she had to travel the next day. We drove up to the lighthouse and then we took the same road down again towards the Holiday Inn. While we were driving in the direction/towards the hotel, she dozed off several times/fell half asleep several times and we didn't kiss anymore.
 
We drove back to the Holiday Inn Hotel to drop Natalee off there. When we arrived there Deepak parked on the left lane and not on the right lane that lies in front of the Lobby. Natalee got out the back door on the right side and she fell to the floor. I got out of the same car door and helped her get up. After I did that Natalee said to me not to touch her and she walked into the direction/towards the lobby. I saw that she touched a pillar. We did not kiss and I got back into the car. Then we drove home. Later, when we just found out she had gone missing Deepak and Satish told me that they had seen a guard dressed in black when we were driving off. According to them the guard also had a walkie talkie in his hands. Deepak and Satish said that the guard walked towards/in the direction of Natalee. (with Natalee is meant the missing woman named "Natalee Ann HOLLOWAY"; comment Jacobs).
 
I have to say that while we were driving past the front of the container harbour, Natalee told me that her mother was the sister of "Hitler". I laughed and did not ask her what she meant by that. She had said this to me about five times.
 
To your question as to what route Deepak took to drop me off home, I answer you the following. After Deepak left the hotel grounds he took a left and then kept driving until we got to the stoplights of Mc. Donalds. There he turned left again and he drove into the direction of the police station in Noord and then he turned right until he got to the new stadium and there he turned left and brought me home.
 
You are informing me that when I was first interviewed as a witness that I told the detective that Natalee and me got out of the car close to/near Fisherman's Hut and walked in the sea.
To your question as to what I can state about that, I answer you that I did not say that. It also isn't in my witness statement.
 
If you have more questions, I am willing to answer them.
 
This is my statement that is truthful/this is my statement that I have truthfully given.
 
J.A.P. van der SLOOT
 
After suspect J.A.P. van der SLOOT had read through the statement he gave, he stated that he would persist in it/stick with it and signed it.
 
Of this we, the reporting officers, on our oath as officer have made this proces-verbaal, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 9th 2005.
 
 The reporting officers
 
D.D. JACOBS      L.A.G.

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« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2006, 01:58:40 PM »

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In the Sportsbar I also saw to two acquaintances who were watching baseball. I greeted my two acquaintances and told them that I was doing fine too and that I would be going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. My two acquaintances are named "Luis" and "Joshua". I regularly meet them at Carlos & Charlies. The last name of Luis is "BETANCOURT". I do not know the last name of Joshua. Luis BETANCOURT is a Venezuelan and according to me Joshua is Colombian but I don't know that for sure.


Early in the statement......the drop of yet another well connected "aquaintance" of Jorans? I have heard that name Betancourt before in connection to this case, but at this time can not directly put my finger on it. did this Betancourt also then go to C+C's?  Is this the very politically connected political party Betancourts of Venezuelz?

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« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2006, 08:18:42 PM »

Betancourt is also closely connected to Figueroa who was a big Joran advocate.
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2006, 09:13:53 PM »

Okay, Tylergal, I didn't get far reading, but I started to my own analysis. Here you go.
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On June 9th 2005, at approximately 12.00 hours, we the reporting officers interviewed as suspect in this the man named: Joran Andreas Petrus van der SLOOT, born in Arnhem, Netherlands on August 6th 1987, no profession student (International School of Aruba) and living on Montanja number 19 on Aruba.

His statement was made in dutch and was transcribed by me, JACOBS, and goes as follows.

Before we, the reporting officers, started the interview, I, JACOBS, informed the suspect that he was not obliged to make a statement and that this interview would be recorded on tape.

Although I have been informed by you that I under no obligation to make statements, I am still willing to make a statement in accordance with the truth.

On Sunday, I do not remember the date any more, I went at approximately 16.00 hours, to the "Excelsior Casino" at the Holiday Inn Hotel to play "Texas Hold'm poker". (with this the suspect is talking about May 29th 2005). I went with my father named "Paul van der SLOOT" to the casino. I went to play "Texas Hold'm Poker" with my father. It is a poker game in which you get 7 cards and you have to make a card combination with your best (5) cards. You get 500 U.S. $ of fake money and with this money you play. Joran is careful to tell us he was not technically “gambling.” This is a detail he was coached to include. I was done sooner than my father and I went and hung around in the casino. When it was half time of the game my father wanted to go home to go and babysit my ten year old brother. We know this is a lie as the boys were with Anita. He’s covering for his father. At my father's request I sat in for him and played "Texas Hold'm poker. I am not sure as to when half time was but I think it was between 19.00 and 20.00 hours. I kept on gambling until I lost too. This was according to me until 21.30 to 22.00 hours. I went to walk around in the casino and after that went to the "Blackjack" table to play blackjack. He offers many details when lying but when telling the truth (I went to play blackjack) he does not supply the detailed description. While I was sitting at the table the girl "Natalee" that is missing now to the blackjack table together with her friends. When the English speaking girls came to the blackjack table they introduced themselves. I do not remember the names of the girls anymore but they were from the same group of students that Natalee belonged to. This actually happened, but he doesn’t supply details, and claims he can’t remembers names. According to me the friends of Natalee played blackjack but Natalee didn't. A girl that was sitting at my left side on the table asked me in English if I could help her play blackjack because she had lost U.S. $ 360,= of her father's money. The girl bet U.S. $ 20,= in the game and I helped her win U.S. $ 100,= with it. After the girl had won U.S. $ 100,= I advised her to call it quits but she wanted to continue. I told her again that she should stop and her friends also said that she should stop. Probably the girl after that went to cash in her chips for money. The girlfriends of the girl asked me if I was going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. I told them that I couldn't do that because I had school tomorrow. The girls kept insisting that I should meet them at "Carlos & Charlies" because it was their last night on Aruba. After they kept insisting I agreed to meet with at "Carlos & Charlies". I don't know that name of the girl but I remember her from a photo in the newspaper on which Natalee was printed on the left side of her friends and the other girl was on the right side of the friends. This girl is the same girl that sat at my left side at the blackjack table. After this I told the girl that it was OK and that I would do my best to go to "Carlos & Charlies". This is a great deal of attention and detail to a casual exchange of probably two or three sentences between them. I suspect this is elaborated or actually made up. After that the group of girls walked to the Sportsbar. In the Sportsbar I also saw to two acquaintances who were watching baseball. Apparently Joran followed the girls to the Sportsbar. I greeted my two acquaintances and told them that I was doing fine too and that I would be going to "Carlos & Charlies" that night. My two acquaintances are named "Luis" and "Joshua". I regularly meet them at Carlos & Charlies. The last name of Luis is "BETANCOURT". I do not know the last name of Joshua. Luis BETANCOURT is a Venezuelan and according to me Joshua is Colombian but I don't know that for sure. Joran’s attention to nationalities seems to be a way he establishes status. After that I walked next to the group of girls and they said to me that I should not forget to go to Carlos & Charlies. I told that that I would do my best. The girl who stood printed on the right side in the newspaper told me that she was going to take a shower and that she would then go to Carlos & Charlies. I did not make an agreement with the girl as to how late I would meet them at Carlos & Charlies. Again, an unusual amount of detail about a conversation that was probably no more than 30 seconds. Joran seems determined to create the impression that the girls want or desire to be with him. After that I walked outside through the casino and when I got outside I called my father from my mobile phone which has the number "REMOVED" on the mobile phone of my mother. My mother has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I called my father on that phone because my mother was outside of the country and my father had her phone in his possession. When I called my father it was approximately 23.00 hours. I told my father that I was ready and if he could come and pick me up at "Mc Donalds". After that I had called my friend "Jaime CARASQUILLA" on his mobile phone. I do not know his phone number from memory but I have programmed his mobile phone number in the memory of my mobile phone under the name "Beto". I asked Beto what he was doing and whether he wanted to accompany me in going to Carlos & Charlies. Beto answered me that he was doing nothing but that he could not accompany me to Carlos & Charlies because he had to go to work the next day. Beto works with a transport company but I do not know the name of that company. After that I called Deepak KALPOE and asked him what he was doing and if he wanted to come with me to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak told me he was closing up "Inex" and that he would accompany me to Carlos & Charlies because he didn't have to go to work the next day. Joran has communicated with four separate male friends to join him at C&C’s that night. Was he taking advantage of the fact that this was the American girls’ last night? Is this what he was communicating to his friends? We know they pick up Americans at C&C’s for raping on their last night on Aruba. It sounds as if Joran is issuing invitations to an impromptu party. Deepak told me that he would be going home first to take a bath and that after that he would come and pick me up at my place. Deepak's nickname is "Tupac". Deepak has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". I walked through the Hyatt parking lot where they have a Coca Cola vending machine and there I bought a can of coke. After that I walked to Mc Donalds and had bought a Mc Flurry there. At 23.00 hours my father came to pick me up at Mc Donalds. I am not sure about the time because I never wear a watch. This is Joran’s excuse or explanation for not getting the time right in his many stories. It saves him from accountability.
To your question as to where my mobile phone is, I answer that it is at home. My mobile phone is on my desk in my room.

To your question whether I have a girlfriend, I answer to you that I had a girlfriend. After this happened I told my girlfriend what had happened and she wasn't happy about it. My girlfriend's name is "Elaine" but I do not remember het last name now. I do not know the address where Elaine lives but I can point out her house to you. Elaine is Aruban and she studies at the Colegio Arubano Oranjestad. A few weeks ago she and her fellow students went to Venezuela. She now is in class V-4 on the Colegio Arubano and she is 17 years old. Elaine has a mobile phone, but her name is under the nickname "Fishy" in the memory of my mobile phone. This is obviously a “new” girlfriend as he doesn’t even know her last name. I don’t think this is a relationship in the sense we think of boyfriend/girlfriend, but simply the last girl with whom he had sex.

I have to say that I have another girlfriend now. Her name is "Florencia METZ". She just graduated from the Mavo and lives behind "Codemsa". Her friends and acquaintances call her "Flor". I do not know the number of her house but I can point it out to you. Flor has a mobile phone with the number "REMOVED". Flor is from Argentina and I talk dutch with her. Why does he bring this up? Is he asked about a new girlfriend? If so, then I wonder about the line of questioning. If not, then he is attempting to build his image, his machismo, to the police officers. This new girlfriend is from Argentina which most likely provides a higher status on Aruba than an Aruban girlfriend would have. He appears to be portraying himself as someone the girls all want and like. He goes into great detail to explain how the American girls are practically begging him to go to C&C’s, but he doesn’t know their names. These two girlfriends are obviously not relationships, but social accessories, as he doesn’t know much about them. The details included are superficial and don’t indicate a personal relationship with either “girlfriend.” The kid has a real problem with depersonalization of others and a serious need to promote his own social status.

After my father came and picked me up at Mc Donalds we drove home. I took a shower. After that I had gotten dressed again and according to me at approximately 24.00 hours, Deepak and Satish came and picked me up at home. Before they came and picked me up I had called Deepak to ask where he has and he told me that he was on his way. At approximately 00.15 hours the three of us left for Carlos & Charlies. (with this Monday May 30th is meant; comment Jacobs). I have to say that I also called Flor and asked if she wanted to come to Carlos & Charlies. She answered that she wasn't allowed to go from her dad. Flor is 16 years old. However, he told us his “girlfriend” on May 30th was Elaine. So why call Flor? Was she supposed to act as the bait for the American girls much like Stefy did on Bailey Ann’s last night in Aruba? This is a well-practiced routine and calling Flor to help was a part of it. However, luckily for Flor, her Dad wouldn’t let her out that night.

To your question as to what clothes I was wearing when I was picked up by Deepak and Satish, I can answer the following. I wore a white/blue shirt, a blue/white jeans trouser or a three-quart black trouser and a couple of white shoes or crème coloured boots. I do not remember now what underwear I was wearing. I do not remember how Deepak and Satish were dressed. Details are not significant to Joran unless he is making them up to suit his own purpose or to communicate his superior social standing. Whenever we read details that Joran has interjected, it is generally a lie and created for a reason. I didn't tell my father that I was going to Carlos & Charlies with Deepak and Satish. I hadn't asked my father for permission because he would most likely refuse and usually I ask permission from my mother. This is interesting because it indicates that Joran and his father are not close, and Joran expects his father to deny him permission. However, this is not a significant issue to Joran. It's interesting to me that Joran is protecting his father after he is arrested, but he has little regard for his father as an authority figure. In fact, he tells us here that he just goes around his father as an authority, either by appealing to his mother or simply ignoring his father.To your question with whom I regularly go to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I regularly go there with "Freddy ZEDAN" and "Jaime CARASQUIA". Freddy is a Venezuelan and Jaime is a Columbian. The boy named "Koen GOTENBOS" also regularly goes out with us. The names of my three friends are in the memory of my mobile phone. Freddy is under the name "Fefi" and Koen under the name "Cul". These are the rest of the pimps—the boys who regularly go to C&C’s to pick up, drug and rape American women. Again we see Joran’s identification with nationality as a way to classify people. I think it is a status thing to these people, and Joran sees American and Dutch at the top of the status chart, with these other nationalities ranked somewhere below. Continual mention of the nationality of a person places Joran in the social stratus of the island, reminds him of his perceived superiority and other’s inferiority. Joran has a real problem with status.
After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in. Social status reference, again.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week. He knows exactly how he got the pass and who gave it to him, but he also knows enough not to tell. He’s communicating that to the police, also. He’s saying “I have contacts and I know the code of silence, so don’t bother trying to get me to talk.”

When we entered Carlos & Charlies I was greeted by the girl who is printed on the picture. When we got in I saw that Natalee was dancing on the stage/podium. I saw that Natalee wasn't holding a drink. The friend of Natalee said to me to go and dance with Natalee because she fancied me. I took her word for it that Natalee was interested in me. Natalee made hand gestures for me to come and dance with her. I also did not see Natalee with a purse/handbag. She did this about seven to eight times. After I had refused to dance with Natalee Deepak, Satish and myself walked to the bar. Notice the details he includes here. This is building his own social status. There we bought a "Yard Whisky Coke". Such a drink costs U.S. $ 12,-. It is a plastic cup and it comes in different colours. I payed for all three drinks. Again, details that relate his social imminence. He says exactly how much he spent and that he bought all the drinks. This shows he has money and social status. I got a red cup but I do not remember now what colour cups Deepak and Satish got. Then the three of us walked back to the stage/podium. While I stood there Natalee saw me again. When she saw me she got down from the stage/podium and walked over to me. She grabbed my hand and asked me if I would go to the bar with her. On the way there she said to me that I had to drink a Jellyshots (handwritten with an arrow pointing to this section of the statement, it says "or body shot") off of her. I at that moment in time did know what a Jellyshot was but I did not know that she went and laid down on the bar and that I had to drink the Jellyshot from her belly button. He is trying to portray himself as innocent here of knowing what and how a Jellyshot is taken. I also notice that the verb tenses become confused when he tries to explain that he knows what a jelly shot is but not from where he will lick the shot. It might be the translation, but he doesn’t have this confusion in other areas of this report, so I have to think this is a lie he trying to float at the moment of telling this and attempting to portray himself as an innocent youth.

When we arrived at the bar Natalee asked for a Jellyshot. Natalee then went and laid on top of the metal bar. The bartender handed me a small plastic container/cup in which was the Jellyshot that I placed on her belly button. After I had done that I sucked the Jellyshot from her belly button. Jellyshot is a jello with alcohol in it. I do not know what kind of alcohol is in it. When Natalee got onto the bar I thought that she was drunk. I could clearly tell that Natalee had been drinking. I could smell this from the smell that came out of Natalee's mouth. I also have to say that when I saw Natalee dancing I also noticed that she had been drinking. While I was talking to Natalee Satish stood beside me the entire time.
He’s attempting to build a case for Natalee being drunk, obviously. Notice the bartender hands him the jellyshot and Joran places it where he wants. This is a fairly common routine in bars like C&C’s that feature drinking “games” as entertainment. Joran previously said he goes to C&C's about three times a week. I don't believe he doesn't know how a jellyshot is intended to be drunk when he's seen it done there at least three times a week.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2006, 05:53:42 PM »

Deepak States That Joran Called Him From Mc Donalds At 2130 While

He Was Waiting For His Father To Pick Him Up But Joran States That At

2130-2200 He Was In The Casino Stalking The Girls ...............

It Would Seem The Only Way To Get The Truth Here ............

IS TO BEAT IT OUTTA THEM .......................

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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2006, 07:09:31 PM »

Quote from: "WidgetTheMidget"
Deepak States That Joran Called Him From Mc Donalds At 2130 While

He Was Waiting For His Father To Pick Him Up But Joran States That At

2130-2200 He Was In The Casino Stalking The Girls ...............

It Would Seem The Only Way To Get The Truth Here ............

IS TO BEAT IT OUTTA THEM .......................

 Cool


Widget, I think the forum has gone so PC now and everyone is in fear of hurting Joran's, Deepak's or Paulus' feelings.  It might be time for vigilante justice.   We need some cowboys!
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2006, 08:44:44 PM »

Well not me.


Me ain't got no cunes, I don't mind that cachot...

Point me in the right direction ladies...

I'd be happy to beat the livin' Dutch farts out of him!
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...and Aruba going along with it FOR THE RIDE... PURE LUNACY!!!

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« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2006, 10:41:30 PM »

Carpe, you are so funny.  You need to post on the lively.  We could keep it lively together. Laughing  Laughing
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