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« on: June 23, 2005, 07:21:59 PM »

A new thread for news and discussions. NEW name for thread.. RBN #...

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« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2005, 07:25:36 PM »

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I'm quite certain Beth Twitty said they landed in Aruba at 11pm.  It was in her long two-part initial interview with Greta.  Does anyone have a link to the transcripts at Fox?  I was there the other night and now can't find where they're hidden?  In that interview Beth gave a complete timeline...at least that's what I recall.  I'll try to find the transcript.


I agree nancy that was my recollection, Beth said she found out at 11:00 am and was in Aruba by 11:00 pm

I thought Jug gave a more precise time line last night to Greta but now I cannot remember it
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« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2005, 07:26:20 PM »

Cat, I need to email you or something Smile  I'll shoot you one in a few, ok?
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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 07:26:39 PM »

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Jug Twitty specifically said that both PVDS and Deepak told Joran not to talk - of course, I found Jug less than reliable as a witness - too much distress leading to too much "go in with the posse" Jug also said that Joran offered to help search.

I think we should all remember that we know nothing more than we knew before - and it really is absurd to try to diagnose someone's psyche solely from Fox news and hearsay.  (she's an art teacher so she's in a world of her own, etc - really now!)

I have no idea what happened to Natalee and I, like all here, hope she is found safe and sound but I also find it disturbing that folks keep ignoring the differences in the legal system - Greta made a big point in her comments after the PVDS arrest that this did not mean the same as an arrest does in the US. As someone else pointed out, in the US none of these folks would have been arrested yet (at least given what little we know about the case) but in Aruban law, people are arrested for questioning.

It is thoroughly possible that the issue that led to PVDS arrest is that his comments do not line up with the boys' stories - and the versions of the boys' stories we've heard are all secondhand and provided by people with axes to grind - Anita, Kalpoes' mom, etc. or from MSM trying to break a story.

 I guess I still believe innocent til proven guilty is a mighty good idea.


I do think Jug and everyone else should ride in with a posse when their child is missing. The first 48 hours are crucial. and besides I like the cowboy up attitude. Especially the hats and tight jeans..
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2005, 07:26:42 PM »

Catriana: Hate to tell ya this...but you got the date wrong  Shocked
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« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2005, 07:26:57 PM »

I remember quite clearly it was 11o'clock at night.

She said "I've been here since 11 o'clock at night on May 30th".

That was on Nancy Grace, though.
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« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2005, 07:27:13 PM »

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So do YOU (posters) believe he killed her or it was an accident or (gasp) she met foul play after him at like say 3:30am?

I have to continue believing that Natalee is alive, unless we are shown proof to the contrary.
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« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2005, 07:27:32 PM »

I think I remember Jug said they went to the Wyndham casino to look for Joran and returned to the Van Der Sloot house at 3:45 am, at which time Joran was home?

does Fox publish transcripts of their shows like MSNBC
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« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2005, 07:27:39 PM »

Cancon:

I'll go look for the archived transcripts on Fox.  

Arubagirl:

If you need to email me, it's now available by clicking below. You're great!  This is an emotional case and for you it's much more so...you're right in the middle giving reports, supporting your country, etc.  You're handling it very well.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2005, 07:28:12 PM »

You know I've asked like four people who watched the interview last night with Jug on On THe Record, and none of them remember anyone saying that Joran was in school bragging about having sex with holloway. I didn't hear this either but I missed part of the interview. Does anyone remember if this was said?
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« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2005, 07:28:15 PM »

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Catriana: Hate to tell ya this...but you got the date wrong  Shocked


Thank you, I fixed it! Smile Smile

and RB.. will watch for that email!   Very Happy
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« Reply #11 on: June 23, 2005, 07:28:31 PM »

Hannie - I think a lot of folks keep forgetting the "different justice system" and just keep making the assumptions we would make if these people were arrested in the US. It's frustrating to see the immediate jumps into "guilty" mode when this happens.

And a lot of folks arrested in the US and "convicted" in the media turn out to be innocent too.

We're not good at those grey areas it seems.
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« Reply #12 on: June 23, 2005, 07:29:39 PM »

Arubagirl... are the cops in Aruba inclined to be on the take? For instance, in Mexico, tourists are pulled over for some small infraction and requested to pay the "fine" directly to the officer. Are there particular cops that are worse than others?
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« Reply #13 on: June 23, 2005, 07:29:47 PM »

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So do YOU (posters) believe he killed her or it was an accident or (gasp) she met foul play after him at like say 3:30am?


Two weeks ago I thought for sure Joran killed her accidently (drugs most likely).
Now I have no idea.  Inspector makes a damn good point about Jorans actions in the days following her disappearance (if those are true).
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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2005, 07:29:54 PM »

You know what would be really cool Cat?  A message at the bottom of the closing thread so this Kat doesn't sit there like an idiot hitting refresh for 5 minutes...

LYMI!  Wink
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« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2005, 07:30:07 PM »

oeff OMG....

Whenever i wright an reply and return, you guys/gals are 10 pages ahead
I think a should take an english wrighting class......
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You know what would be really cool Cat? A message at the bottom of the closing thread so this Kat doesn't sit there like an idiot hitting refresh for 5 minutes...

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I`m ashame to say I did that also the first week Embarassed  Laughing
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« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2005, 07:31:18 PM »

Wantsanswers - the hats and tight jeans are great ... the posse mentality is not.

That said, I'd be posse-ing if my daughter were missing too - but that doesn't make it the best way to deal with things, IMO.
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« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2005, 07:31:30 PM »

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You know what would be really cool Cat?  A message at the bottom of the closing thread so this Kat doesn't sit there like an idiot hitting refresh for 5 minutes...

LYMI!  Wink


She put that note in and another post slide in under it before the lock.
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« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2005, 07:32:24 PM »

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You know I've asked like four people who watched the interview last night with Jug on On THe Record, and none of them remember anyone saying that Joran was in school bragging about having sex with holloway. I didn't hear this either but I missed part of the interview. Does anyone remember if this was said?


I believe I heard that he was talking about it at school, but don't recall the word "sex" as ever being used.  Remember, a teacher called Anita and told her that Joran needed to stop talking about it because Natalee was still missing.  Why don't they talk to the kids at school and find out exactly what he was saying?
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2005, 07:33:04 PM »

oh some of it coming back to me

they must have arrived at 11, got settled in a bit at the Holiday Inn and remember they were asking the Holiday staff for leads,  did they know about Joran before they arrived in Aruba, did some of the high school kids fill them in before or what?  but they were certainly talking to the casino staff, who mentioned Joran, I think they found out where Joran lives from a taxi cab driver who took them there, so it would make sense they arrived around 1ish

Jug said the cops were talking to Mr. V for a while there, then you get the claim that Joran was out at a casino, around 3:00 am ish they go over to find him, quickly ascertain he is not there and then Jug says we get back to the Van Der Sloot house at 3:45 am at which time Joran is home or out in the front of the house
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