RBN #20 - 6/23/05 Evening

[absolut]

OK ---- is the father a judge or not??????   All the people on the news keep calling him a judge....Natalees stepdad interupted Nancy Grace and told her he wasnt.  I didn't think he was either.  But it's annoying me that they keep calling him a judge if he really isnt!  Help me...is he or isnt he?

I don't know if he is a judge or not but I do know he is a suspect in a murder/kidnapping/disappearance investigation and right now thats good enough for me.

[KackyLacky]

Found picture of dingy boat from Tattoo and 2 pictures of steve.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/303790274/303790274EqCSbY

http://community.webshots.com/photo/303774481/303790315UNbhYn

http://community.webshots.com/photo/303790274/303790274EqCSbY

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Looks like these were taken in March.  Steve looks like he "enjoys" his job!

I don't see a dingy! What am I missing?

[arrabba]

OK ---- is the father a judge or not??????   All the people on the news keep calling him a judge....Natalees stepdad interupted Nancy Grace and told her he wasnt.  I didn't think he was either.  But it's annoying me that they keep calling him a judge if he really isnt!  Help me...is he or isnt he?

Ijust heard onN ancy grace that he is in the early stages of judgeship.

Sounds like a student teacher kind of thing.

[K in TX]

I guess he's a "judge in training" that likes to party with the young crowd at casinos?  He's kind of creepy.

[iquitos]

Arubagirl, can you kindly tell me what this article says:

ORANJESTAD — Plaatsvervangend lid van het Gemeenschappelijk Hof van Justitie van de Nederlandse Antillen en Aruba, Paul van der Sloot, vader van Joran van der Sloot (17), is vanmiddag iets na twee uur lokale tijd gearresteerd. Zo bevestigt politiewoordvoerder Jan van der Straten. Hij wordt in verband gebracht met de verdwijning op Aruba van Natalee Holloway. De vader was de afgelopen dagen al eerder door de politie ondervraagd. Ook mocht hij zijn zoon – die nu twee weken vast zit – niet bezoeken in de gevangenis.
 

De familie van Natalee Holloway heeft de beloning voor de gouden tip die leidt tot Natalees veilige terugkeer verhoogd tot 150.000 dollar. Eerder werd er 35.000 dollar uitgeloofd, later werd dat verhoogd tot 50.000 dollar. Voor de beloning is intussen een speciale Reward and Recovery Trust gevormd bij de Amsouth Bank in Birmingham, Alabama.

 

VERSCHILLENDE VERSIES

Volgens de politie verandert de zeventienjarige verdachte Joran van der Sloot steeds zijn versie van wat er op de avond van Natalee Holloways verdwijning gebeurde. De politie verhoort de vier vastzittende verdachten regelmatig en zegt daarnaast ook nog steeds getuigen te verhoren. Wat de echte toedracht is en wat er met de Amerikaanse scholiere is gebeurd, blijft echter nog steeds gissen.

Het verhoor van de verdachte jongemannen gebeurt meestal in koppels van twee agenten. Ook worden er confrontaties gehouden, waarbij twee of meer verdachten aanwezig zijn en met elkaars tegengestelde versies worden geconfronteerd.

Het is niet de eerste keer dat Van der Sloot zijn versie van het verhaal verandert. In eerste instantie vertelden alle drie de jongens, toen nog als getuigen, aan de politie dat zij met Holloway naar de vuurtoren zijn gereden en naar Arashi en haar daarna bij het Holiday Inn hebben afgezet. Dit verhaal veranderde toen zij werden aangehouden. Holloway en Van der Sloot zouden bij de Fisherman’s Huts zijn afgezet en de twee broers Satish en Deepak Kalpoe zouden daarna naar huis zijn gegaan.

 

KLACHTEN ADVOCATEN

Advocaten klagen ondertussen dat zij niet alle stukken krijgen. Rudy Oomen, advocaat van Deepak Kalpoe: “Men doet er alles aan om mij het werken zo moeilijk mogelijk te maken. Ik moet steeds druk uitoefenen en dreigen met een procedure om stukken te krijgen.” Ook advocaat Anthony Carlo, die samen met Ariean de Bie en Richie Kock de 17-jarige Joran van der Sloot verdedigt, bevestigt dit beeld. Het advocatenteam heeft een verzoek ingediend om bij de verhoren van Van der Sloot aanwezig te mogen zijn. Carlo: “Volgens het Wetboek van Strafvordering mag de verdediging bij de verhoren aanwezig zijn nadat de verdachte door de rechter-commissaris is gehoord.” De rechter-commissaris interpreteert dit artikel echter anders. Het verzoek werd gisteren door de rechter-commissaris afgewezen.

De vader van Joran mag zijn zoon al een aantal dagen niet meer bezoeken, nadat een bezwaarschriftprocedure hierover in eerste instantie in het voordeel van de vader was gewonnen. Paul van der Sloot gaat tegen deze beslissing van de rechter-commissaris niet in hoger beroep, ook al zou hij zijn minderjarige zoon graag bezoeken. Advocaat Carlo: “Hij wil niet dat zijn positie de aandacht afleidt van de zaak.”

De drie jonge verdachten worden waarschijnlijk morgen weer voor de rechter-commissaris geleid. Het OM zal dan om verlenging van hun bewaring vragen. Van de vierde verdachte, de 26-jarige dj Steve Croes, loopt de inverzekeringstelling zondag af. Als het OM hem langer vast zal willen houden zal het verzoek tot ‘inbewaringstelling’ waarschijnlijk ook morgen worden voorgelegd aan de rechter-commissaris. Rechter Bob Wit zal niet degene zijn die deze rol vervult, aangezien hij deze week is begonnen met zijn nieuwe taak als rechter aan het Caribbean Court of Justice in Trinidad.

aruba girl:  are you translating this?  if not I will.  pm me.

[HannieC]

cancon wrote:


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HannieC wrote:
Scott,

Dutch people in general are not 'homofobic'. We have a saying here that is;" Leven en laten leven" it means; Live and let live.

yes I would say that is the general Dutch philosophy of life, having a Dutch mother and father and aunts and uncles and cousins living in the Netherlands.......they are not totally void however of some prejudices and hang ups

my uncle disowned my cousin and his wife because they adopted black children, so sad, so silly is the position of the rest of the family including my father, then my cousin and his wife sued my uncle over the family business, and my father sided with the kids, oops so not so live and let live all the time

Yes sure there are prejudice people, I think you have them everywere
But in general the 'dutch'people are very liberal and that is why we have so many misunderstandings with some american people on what is right and/or wrong. But that liberal thing has nothing to do with crimesuspects for that effect. We also think if you do the crime, pay the time( or something like that).

[arrabba]

Found picture of dingy boat from Tattoo and 2 pictures of steve.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/303790274/303790274EqCSbY

http://community.webshots.com/photo/303774481/303790315UNbhYn

http://community.webshots.com/photo/303790274/303790274EqCSbY

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Looks like these were taken in March.  Steve looks like he "enjoys" his job!

I don't see a dingy! What am I missing?

Me either

[Juvenal]

Oh, Gawd! here comes Geraldo...

you mean he is alive?????

too bad Geraldo you've been outscooped by the masterful Greta Van Susteren

hey is VanSusteren a Dutch name..........

I always thought it was German  

I think the prefix Van is always indicative of a Dutch name

I do not speak Dutch but my take here is Van Der is 'Son Of'

I think that's right. Literally just "of," if I'm not mistaken.

[mehill10]

does any one think it alittle funny that dutch-bag was surpost to be home in bed  at 11 on sunday  but monday  when they was looking for natelee he was out past 1

[Scott]

Scott,

Dutch people in general are not 'homofobic'. We have a saying here that is;" Leven en laten leven" it means; Live and let live.

Where did I mention DUTCH people in my previous post?  I referenced specifically 'ARUBAN boys'.  I've been to Amsterdam a number of times, and it's obviously one of the more tolerant, gay-friendly cities I've visited.

It just struck me as extremely odd that Anita would point out that an American girlfriend dumped her son because he was 'too sweet' or not man enough for her.

The vitriol and anger that boiled within Joran as a result of that could provide a great deal of insight into what would cause a 17-year old boy with a bright future ahead, to act so violently or irrational.

[neil]

Aruba girl,

I am sure it is the same for visitors and residents.  I just don't think a legal system where the prosecutor, the judge and the supposed defense attorneys are just three stooge inquisitior, is something I want to be exposed to.  It seems to me that the defense attorney is not an advocate for the suspected, but a rubber stamp for the system.  Why even have a defense attorney who does not tell his client to keep his mouth shut?

Given enough time just about anyone can be encouraged to "confess".   Maybe it will turn out that Joran et.al., are guilty and can lead the officials to the body.  Maybe they will "confess", but not know where the body is or "confess" and say they dumped her at sea, and then nobody will have any confidence that the "confessions" are anything but forced.

There are flaws in the US system also, but at least in principle, one is entitled to the advice of a defense attorney immediately, and any defense attorney will refuse to allow his client to be interrogated.  From what I hear the Aruba system is closer to inquisition than questioning.  

Nobody wants a conviction of an innocent and nobody wants the guilty to go free.  This is all yet to be known, but I for one have no confidence in what I have seen thus far.

[ExTexinAZ]

Listening to Jessica Lunsford Dad cry about trying to help others in other US states. oops he just used the sh*t word on NG

I am in tears    

Don't get me started on that case I just read the newest CNN article we may need a new thread somewhere.

Let's hope we don't need a new thread for those 3 little boys missing in NJ.

[xcptnl]

Why is Geraldo back???? WHY?????????????????????????????

[absolut]

An issue that would hamper this but I am not sure how it is possible.

If JVDS and PVDS "know" that no body can be found. Wouldn't they just "stand up to the interrogation" like paulus said?

It is an incomplete thought I may come back to it later.

[hotticket]

Sorry..here is the dingy pic.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/303774481/303790129keaFOC

[AnnieMW1]

The whole key to this case is how Joran got home after his time with the Kalpoes. No matter where the KP's left him and Natalee. he was home the next morning in time to get his regular school routine together.

The KPs drop him off anywhere (except his own house) with NH and he's got a getting home problem.  There are only so many ways to do that.

He calls/texts Dad to pick them up on the beach (be it NH is fine or not). There's a record of the contact. Ditto the Kps. He gets them (one or both) to come get him. There's a phone/txt record. They don't just magically know what time to come get him.

He walks. It's gotta be around 3:00 - 4:00 am. Not one person sees him on what is around a 1-1/2 to 2 hr walk. (and in a busy tourist area, where he would be starting from, there are delivery people, bakeries, fishermen, cleaning/laundry staff, etc all coming to work/getting off work at that time). He didn't carry her all the way home, so in this senario, the only thing he could have done is hidden her or left her on the sand.

He goes to the Tatoo and gets his buddy to give him a ride, but, his buddy then covers for him and goes to the slammer? I don't think so.

Last, but not least, he's right by a bunch of hotels. The easiest thing in the world is to walk into the lobby and ask them to get him a cab. They are more than used to helping out drunk teens. There's probably a few just hanging around anyway. No one has any kind of record of this happening.

Joran walked home, Daddy VDS took Joran back to beach where he left her and covered it up from there. to protect his son and his career. Pressed on some friends in LE to find a patsy and then the S*** hit the fan.  

Please poke all the holes you want in this thinking, because I am very curious to see if there is anything I am missing.

I can't see Joran getting Natalie off the beach and into a car.  I think he took her to his house.  We have no proof that his father was home that night - and we know his mother wasn't.

[klaasend]

Oh, Gawd! here comes Geraldo...

you mean he is alive?????

too bad Geraldo you've been outscooped by the masterful Greta Van Susteren

hey is VanSusteren a Dutch name..........

I always thought it was German  

I think the prefix Van is always indicative of a Dutch name

I do not speak Dutch but my take here is Van Der is 'Son Of'

I think that's right. Literally just "of," if I'm not mistaken.

As in Van Der A Beach?  

[KackyLacky]

OK ---- is the father a judge or not??????   All the people on the news keep calling him a judge....Natalees stepdad interupted Nancy Grace and told her he wasnt.  I didn't think he was either.  But it's annoying me that they keep calling him a judge if he really isnt!  Help me...is he or isnt he?

I have read that he's a 'judge in training' who hears a few cases a week.

On MSNBC the woman who had worked with him I think it was said, that he had gone thru law school and since judges are not elected, there is a long process they have to go thru, ( I guess like an apprentice thing) and he was in that process. But since he was not done he was NOT a judge

[cancon]

yes Van mean "of"

As you would the Duchess of York, or William of Orange

like we have a friend whose last name is Van Nieuwenhuizen

that means Of the New House,

[inspector_detector]

OK ---- is the father a judge or not??????   All the people on the news keep calling him a judge....Natalees stepdad interupted Nancy Grace and told her he wasnt.  I didn't think he was either.  But it's annoying me that they keep calling him a judge if he really isnt!  Help me...is he or isnt he?

I heard he was a "judge in training" but that he did judge some minor cases. Too bad Joran cant ask for PVDS to be his judge!