RBN #20 - 6/23/05 Evening

[chloe2]

Thanks Arubagirl!

[Itawamba]

I think "van der" means "of the".  Van Der Sloot means "of the ditch," literally--that's what the online translator always says when I put some of the articles through it, lol.  Anyway, the "der" is the article, like "le or les" in French.

[da wench]

Listening to Jessica Lunsford Dad cry about trying to help others in other US states. oops he just used the sh*t word on NG

I am in tears    

S word again? That poor guy.    

Okay, listening to O'Reilly about JL.  Definately off the chart!!

[cancon]

yes Van mean "of"

As you would the Duchess of York, or William of Orange

like we have a friend whose last name is Van Nieuwenhuizen

that means Of the New House,

yes and Van der Sloot means "of the ditch"
interesting huh?

ooh KL you've hit on something there, very cosmic man

I knew the word was not a high brow word and correct me if I am wrong, are the media saying it wrong, it  Sloot, that's a long o not an oo sound

like Slote, as in boat, not Sloot, as in loot

[my parents met in Canada and come from different regions of Holland, my mother is Friese so my father says she doesn't speak Dutch, Friese is an old Saxon dialect actually, way back when, so they never spoke Dutch at home except when rellys are over, I can now understand more than I can speak, I tried to teach it to myself, you have to be immersed I think to learn any language right, I'd love to speak it, I can roll my r's and I do a great gutteral g  ]

[RB]

Who do we have on the lurker bar?  Anyone going to invite them into the house?

[arubagirl]

The media is saying it wrong.

[littletxlady]

OK ---- is the father a judge or not??????   All the people on the news keep calling him a judge....Natalees stepdad interupted Nancy Grace and told her he wasnt.  I didn't think he was either.  But it's annoying me that they keep calling him a judge if he really isnt!  Help me...is he or isnt he?

Ijust heard on N ancy grace that he is in the early stages of judgeship.

Sounds like a student teacher kind of thing.

 

not a student teacher at all.  typical ignorant american news media they yak on about the guy for weeks and can't figure out basic facts like what he is.  I posted his appointment decree on here a week ago.  Maybe it is because its in a foreign language and in a foreign country xenophobes that we are.  he has a law degree, meester in rechten.  the has been a prosecutor on the island and now he is a substitute judge.  some dumbkopf woman reporter on fox was braying the other day that "he is not even a lawyer let alone a judge" and suddenly he is now a judge on fox because that makes his arrest more interesting.  I don't know what you have to do to be a full judge but he is a lawyer and a long time employee of the aruba (read dutch) judicial system  mondo cane

When Greta interviewed him and his wife he said he was....black robe and all. Maybe in his head....??? LOL But we all know whatever he was he is no longer!

[ExTexinAZ]

My stomach is turning over what O'Liely just reported on Fox about Jessica Lunsford.  

[puggywug]

As in Van Der A Beach?

is that in a Van By Der River

LOL!!!  

[Juvenal]

OK ---- is the father a judge or not??????   All the people on the news keep calling him a judge....Natalees stepdad interupted Nancy Grace and told her he wasnt.  I didn't think he was either.  But it's annoying me that they keep calling him a judge if he really isnt!  Help me...is he or isnt he?

Ijust heard on N ancy grace that he is in the early stages of judgeship.

Sounds like a student teacher kind of thing.

 

not a student teacher at all.  typical ignorant american news media they yak on about the guy for weeks and can't figure out basic facts like what he is.  I posted his appointment decree on here a week ago.  Maybe it is because its in a foreign language and in a foreign country xenophobes that we are.  he has a law degree, meester in rechten.  the has been a prosecutor on the island and now he is a substitute judge.  some dumbkopf woman reporter on fox was braying the other day that "he is not even a lawyer let alone a judge" and suddenly he is now a judge on fox because that makes his arrest more interesting.  I don't know what you have to do to be a full judge but he is a lawyer and a long time employee of the aruba (read dutch) judicial system  mondo cane

And "dumbkopf" literally translates "dumbhead."

Whereas, we Americans talk about "dumbass reporters."

Interesting...So much the same, and yet so different.

[arubagirl]

Cancon, Fries is a hard language. I heard some songs in Fries and I can understand maybe every other word.

[klaasend]

The media is saying it wrong.

Which media Arubagirl?

[HannieC]

Ben wrote:

Who's Grandpa is this

Ohhh no that`s what i`ve been afraid of which I early mentioned!!

No were looking for the grandparents................ jeeezzz OMG

Don`t say I told you guys!

[cancon]

does any one think it alittle funny that dutch-bag was surpost to be home in bed  at 11 on sunday  but monday  when they was looking for natelee he was out past 1

Some here have posted that they think pvds reported jvds was at a casino as a diversionary tactic to get people away from his house.  When they all arrived at the casino jvds call his dad and said he was home.

in order to try and clean up evidence is the suggestion.......ew, what if Nat's body was in that boy's apartment when the parents arrived, no they couldn't be that stupid, but then again

oh here is a question, when they all went to look for Joran did a cop stay at the house, did anyone, perhaps someone should have?

[iquitos]

Aruba girl,

I am sure it is the same for visitors and residents.  I just don't think a legal system where the prosecutor, the judge and the supposed defense attorneys are just three stooge inquisitior, is something I want to be exposed to.  It seems to me that the defense attorney is not an advocate for the suspected, but a rubber stamp for the system.  Why even have a defense attorney who does not tell his client to keep his mouth shut?

Given enough time just about anyone can be encouraged to "confess".   Maybe it will turn out that Joran et.al., are guilty and can lead the officials to the body.  Maybe they will "confess", but not know where the body is or "confess" and say they dumped her at sea, and then nobody will have any confidence that the "confessions" are anything but forced.

There are flaws in the US system also, but at least in principle, one is entitled to the advice of a defense attorney immediately, and any defense attorney will refuse to allow his client to be interrogated.  From what I hear the Aruba system is closer to inquisition than questioning.  

Nobody wants a conviction of an innocent and nobody wants the guilty to go free.  This is all yet to be known, but I for one have no confidence in what I have seen thus far.

Neil--

I think it can be a good system, when it's done right, or get really fouled up when it's not. Same as common law in U.S.

One advantage it might have: It's "inquisitorial," rather than "adversarial."

The adversarial nature of common law, in my opinion, is what causes people who can afford better lawyers to get their way more often. That's probably the biggest weakness of common law. But we probably do other things better than civil law. It's sort of a trade off.

The problem is not really with either system, which are both ancient systems that have worked for a long time. It's the people who have to run it.

 

this is more or less the same leegal system in efffect in the europe and latin america.

[DivaToo]

Oh, Gawd! here comes Geraldo...

you mean he is alive?????

too bad Geraldo you've been outscooped by the masterful Greta Van Susteren

hey is VanSusteren a Dutch name..........

I always thought it was German  

I think the prefix Van is always indicative of a Dutch name

sorry I am blonde LOL  

[absolut]

Which of the following did Joran Van Der Sloot do?
Killed Natalee    
  26%  [ 4 ]
Accidental death but he knew    
  60%  [ 9 ]
He has no knowledge of what happened after he left the beach.    
  13%  [ 2 ]
 
Current poll results.

[inthepacific]

Ben wrote:

Who's Grandpa is this

Ohhh no that`s what i`ve been afraid of which I early mentioned!!

No were looking for the grandparents................ jeeezzz OMG

Don`t say I told you guys!

HUH?????

[mehill10]

hay arubagirl you remember talking the KIA prison  I saw a guy on fox talking  about it He said that they just open up a new wing in the prison he also said it was as nice as any prison in the USA  is that true?

[heartache]

How likely is it, that someone could drag a body onto a Dinghy without being noticed? Meaning... are the beaches usually deserted at 3 a.m. or are  there  tourists fooling around on the beach at this time?