RBN #20 - 6/23/05 Evening

[CaliGirl]

I presume that the cops investigated. I have no idea if they followed up on those rumours or not.

If the person knew what he/she was doing, if the coast guard didn't catch them, if there weren't any people around, it is my opinion that they could get away with it.

I haven't seen the show, wouldn't dare to comment on the language thing.

Interesting Arubagirl. I just wondered because I had read some statement he was questioned also because he had a speed boat and I believe it was searched.

[writenow]

saninmytoes, RUMOR, I repeat, RUMOR has it that Lorenzo van Rijn may have NH in his house due to his being v/d Sloots bastard son.

Yes, I know. Crazy.

Arubagirl,

I don't get it. They brought Lorenzo in for questioning didn't they? So why can't they search his house if they think she's there? I don't get it.

[amillerwvu]

For those of you as unfortunate as I to not get FOX...

CNN has Nancy Grace on right now w/ NH information

[Ting]

This morning, someone posted something about a report from somewhere that the FBI wanted to ask Natalee's family some questions. I don't remember the poster's name, and I searched but couldn't find it, but it made me wonder, what is known about the business interests of the father and stepfather? Could they have enemies? Not personal enemies, necessarily. I remember someone mentioning that one of them was an officer of a Phoenix Metals in Alabama, which I believe may be involved in some military or "defense" work, I am just wondering if business activities might have veered into areas that could involve Natalee becoming a target, again, not from any personal enmity with the family, but from a corporate connection?

[nikkibnurse]

OK..I just had to say this...just had an argument with my hubby...not pretty...guess why? SM website....LOL.....
And I quote, " YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH THIS STUFF"

His point?? LOL

[WonderWoman]

dad VdS: "I hope...he can stand up"       while momma VdS looks at him like he is an alien, like he just said something that got her attention

my interpretation

mine as well.....

[Rob]

This morning, someone posted something about a report from somewhere that the FBI wanted to ask Natalee's family some questions. I don't remember the poster's name, and I searched but couldn't find it, but it made me wonder, what is known about the business interests of the father and stepfather? Could they have enemies? Not personal enemies, necessarily. I remember someone mentioning that one of them was an officer of a Phoenix Metals in Alabama, which I believe may be involved in some military or "defense" work, I am just wondering if business activities might have veered into areas that could involve Natalee becoming a target, again, not from any personal enmity with the family, but from a corporate connection?

HERE WE GO AGAIN.......

[HannieC]

G`morning bendex..

What`s the time in argentina now?

[arubagirl]

Writenow, they did search the house. I think it was on the same day that Croes got arrested. Obviously nothing came from it.

[Ting]

I just had to say this...just had an argument with my hubby...not pretty...guess why? SM website....LOL.....
And I quote, " YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH THIS STUFF"

You must help him. He can become obsessed too. All that is required is a little effort and a fit and lean clicking finger.

[wwizard]

BH said that jvds and kalpoes kidnapped her daughter.

 I think she means they kidnapped NH initially - at CnCs,  that NH did not go with them willingly.  Perhaps she was drugged and did not have the capacity to make willing choices.

My thought too

 if anything, natalee was tipsy.  not enough time for the boys to drug at the bar.  is it kidnappinf if you take somebody on a ride and do not bring them safely back?  remember there is a kidnapping charge so maybe there is an extortion angle. and the twittys have set up a bank account and are announcing what they have but are getting no bited?  i bet the tips are gushing in.

iquitos - that makes sense, they had to pass the Holiday Inn to get to the Marriott.  If Natalee wanted to get off at HI and they didn't honor that request - she was held against her will.

Her abduction happened in the blink of an eye.

[coco]

Nicki - tell him it's a cult and you'll need a lot of expensive presents to get deprogrammed!

[nikkibnurse]

Where else can you solve crimes and destroy marriages ALL in one place?? LOL

[heavyheart]

OK..I just had to say this...just had an argument with my hubby...not pretty...guess why? SM website....LOL.....
And I quote, " YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH THIS STUFF"

His point?? LOL

My wife says the same thing.  I just tell her this is therapy.

[pinemeadows]

OK..I just had to say this...just had an argument with my hubby...not pretty...guess why? SM website....LOL.....
And I quote, " YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH THIS STUFF"

His point?? LOL

Just tell him you can quit anytime you want to.  IF you want to.

LOL

[Itawamba]

If there was a ransom demand...would be be able to know? I don't think we would in hopes of keeping her alive. Kidnappings with ransoms would be better kept under the wraps especially since Natalee's disappearance is kept in the media 24/7.

Keep in mind the "reward for safe return of Natalee" just doubled in the last couple of days??? From $75K to $150K




Since kidnapping for ransom has been my theory for a long while here, even though Beth did say publicly that *she* had not gotten a ransom demand, I'll quietly say a couple of things.

Key Man Insurance
Kidnapping Rider for Foreign Countries
Private Negotitations by Insurance Company Consultant

[Trini_Roots]

I'm quite certain Beth Twitty said they landed in Aruba at 11pm.  It was in her long two-part initial interview with Greta.  Does anyone have a link to the transcripts at Fox?  I was there the other night and now can't find where they're hidden?  In that interview Beth gave a complete timeline...at least that's what I recall.  I'll try to find the transcript.

I agree nancy that was my recollection, Beth said she found out at 11:00 am and was in Aruba by 11:00 pm

I thought Jug gave a more precise time line last night to Greta but now I cannot remember it

Yes, she said they landed at 11 pm and by the time they got through searching for Joran's last name and address at the casino and bar, had called the police and driven to the v.d. Sloot home it was about 1 am. She said they talked to them until after 3:30 am. (That's Tuesday -- now 24 hours after Natalee left CnCs.)

Nat meeting Joran:
I think I figured out the confusion about when Natalee met Joran (but correct me if I'm wrong). We've heard one to two days as far as the first time they met. Could it be they met on Saturday night 5/28, he showed up at the bar CnCs Sunday 5/29 and they left the bar Monday 1 am 5/30. She if she disappeared Monday 5/30 and she met him 5/28, even though it's technically a day and a half, some might say 2 days, some 1. Does that make sense?

Also, re exams @ the school:
One site of the schools said exams were Friday 6/3-Wed. 6/8. Maybe they changed that to Monday 6/6-wed 6/8. Whatever, Monday 5/30 WAS a school day for Joran, but NOT an exam day. And we aren't even sure how many exams he would have had to take because the schedule says those who had already taken AP exams in May wouldn't have to take final exams and we know he had some AP classes.

[/i][/b]

Here's what bothers me about the timeline:  There's not a whole lot of time to commit a crime and then cover it up.  The timeline fits better if you consider that Joran did walk on the beach with Natalee then called his Dad or the Kalpoes for a pick up.  If you think about it, from the time they left C&Cs at 1:30 a.m., Kalpoes get home at two, receive a text message from Joran at about that time, 2:00 a.m., and return to pick him up it seems unlikely he could murder, then dispose of a body without a trace, assuming the Kalpoes are truthful.  If, instead, he called his dad for a pick up at MickyDees at 3:00 a.m. (which has yet to be confirmed), it still leaves a minute amount of time to cover the crime without assistance.
Assuming he is truthful, if he left her to walk the rest of the way to HI given that he had to be back to school at 8:00 a.m. it's entirely possible that bad folk lurked on the beach to do terrible things to Natalie.  

(The reason I wonder is that I spent this past Feb. at Trinidad Carnival which by the way was fabulous and tons of fun!!! But we women got plenty of warnings of not being out alone and trust only known cabbies.  I had an experience which makes me wonder, when at a parade there was a concerted effort by a couple of guys to "carve out" and isloate my very attractive cousin.  We formed a phalanx and the men in our group nearly came to blows with them.  I am extremely cautious and she was extremely drunk and vulnerable and if we had not stuck together like a Gordian Knot, who knows what would have happened!)

In any case, there are so many unknowns about this tragedy, but I still keep coming back to the fact that she has vanished without a trace and I don't think Joran or his Dad or the Kalpoes are up to this level of deception.  I am bothered by it, but could be totally off-base, which I accept.  It's just that for me, a rational explanation for the timeline includes Joran leaving her to finish her walk alone (under the assumption this was a safe thing to do) and a stranger, unknown to us did a terrible thing.  Joran, finding she is missing then tries to distance him as much as possible to avoid being implicated as one of the last persons to see her because of the appearance rather than the fact of culpability.  His effort to do this ensnares them all and they now sit in jail.  Of course I could be wrong and they are totally guilty, but that timeline just bugs me!!!

[absolut]

OK..I just had to say this...just had an argument with my hubby...not pretty...guess why? SM website....LOL.....
And I quote, " YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH THIS STUFF"

His point?? LOL

There are solutions to problems like this

[Terry]

OK..I just had to say this...just had an argument with my hubby...not pretty...guess why? SM website....LOL.....
And I quote, " YOU ARE OBSESSED WITH THIS STUFF"

His point?? LOL

LOL....

Mine was... "ya think you might be a little obsessed with this one"?

Not anymore than the other ones I get obsessed with....

men

[HannieC]

I have a question....

Who was the one who was saying something about a tribe in Ethiopia?

Just curious ( b/c I`m heading that way in september)