RBN #20 - 6/23/05 Evening

[HannieC]

CaliGirl wrote:

Maybe Hannie can correct me if I get this example wrong  

In the US when a crime happens, a report is made, then start investigating etc etc then when they have enough facts they put out a warrant and arrest someone etc etc

Dutch system when a crime happens, someone's taken, investigating starts, then the facts come, then the charges are pressed etc etc

Huge differences. Har dto understand but not everywhere is like the US.

You`re absolutly right my girl   so it`s indeed frustrating to see what some people on this forum come up with. A bookdeal or whatever doesn`t work in our culture that`s the "American"culture excuse my generalization if i`m not correct! That simply don`t happens here.
if and I say IF it prooves that the vds and the kalpoes have nothing to do with whatever happens to natalee there lives will be ruined no bookdeals or sues for money or something. That is why I personally thinks this mediahype is so dangerous.

And by the way I understand that the main factor is to bring Natalee home
But not to crusify maybe 'innocent' people who have nothing to do whith what happens......

[da wench]

We'll even though I wish for Natalee's safe return, I have to say the story sounded like a murder or accidental death and cover-up from the start.

With the arrest of SC and papa, it points to a story of a natalee dieing at the beach or the house, and papa helping cover it up. SC fit's in with suppling the drugs and possibly a boat to dispose of the body. (The 6:30 am call could be a confirmation that the deed was done, and to reaffirm the "dropped her at HI" lie.

My apologies and prayers to Natalee and her family and friends for discussing this in such a cold manner. I wish Natalee was alive, and could be safely returned to her family. But all the lies seem to point to a simple truth that Natalee has perished.


May those who treated her with such disrespect burn in hell!

icey

Well said!

[chloe2]

By the way, if anyone remembers nativelingo, she's on vacation. That's why she hasn't been around.

Good for her! I start vacation tomorrow and my biggest frustration is that I'll be disconnected from SM for 6 hours of traveling!

[friend of monkeys]

I think I remember Jug said they went to the Wyndham casino to look for Joran and returned to the Van Der Sloot house at 3:45 am, at which time Joran was home?

does Fox publish transcripts of their shows like MSNBC

ARUBAGIRL---   HI!  do  the casinoes close @ 2 or 3 am??

I just got in....did I miss anything??

[Wayoutwest]

The whole key to this case is how Joran got home after his time with the Kalpoes. No matter where the KP's left him and Natalee. he was home the next morning in time to get his regular school routine together.

The KPs drop him off anywhere (except his own house) with NH and he's got a getting home problem.  There are only so many ways to do that.

He calls/texts Dad to pick them up on the beach (be it NH is fine or not). There's a record of the contact. Ditto the Kps. He gets them (one or both) to come get him. There's a phone/txt record. They don't just magically know what time to come get him.

He walks. It's gotta be around 3:00 - 4:00 am. Not one person sees him on what is around a 1-1/2 to 2 hr walk. (and in a busy tourist area, where he would be starting from, there are delivery people, bakeries, fishermen, cleaning/laundry staff, etc all coming to work/getting off work at that time). He didn't carry her all the way home, so in this senario, the only thing he could have done is hidden her or left her on the sand.

He goes to the Tatoo and gets his buddy to give him a ride, but, his buddy then covers for him and goes to the slammer? I don't think so.

Last, but not least, he's right by a bunch of hotels. The easiest thing in the world is to walk into the lobby and ask them to get him a cab. They are more than used to helping out drunk teens. There's probably a few just hanging around anyway. No one has any kind of record of this happening.

Joran walked home, Daddy VDS took Joran back to beach where he left her and covered it up from there. to protect his son and his career. Pressed on some friends in LE to find a patsy and then the S*** hit the fan.  

Please poke all the holes you want in this thinking, because I am very curious to see if there is anything I am missing.

[arubagirl]

Well said, Ting

TX search guys said that they are looking for NH as if she's both alive and dead, just FYI.

[absolut]

I have wanted to say this for a couple of hours but it was very busy in here. After doing all the research and going websites of cams and the hotels and the Tattoo and so much more. Aruba is beautful cept for that pond but I digress. I have never been outside of the US, unlike RB who is a world traveller. I would love to visit and may put it over Vegas as my dream destination for the near term.

I think I would go in the spring though. Before hurricanes and when it is not so hot.

And this Aruba commercial was brought to you by ScaredMonkeys.com

[da wench]

Well said, Ting

TX search guys said that they are looking for NH as if she's both alive and dead, just FYI.

Well that's the best thing to do since anyone who knows isn't talkin.

[friend of monkeys]

CNN THINKS that it is very significant that the judge is arrested.  They just called it "A big break"

They also do not believe Joran left Natalee walking alone on a beach.  They believe there is much significance in that as well

 
I don't buy it either

[nancy_drew]

Anyone watch Dan Abrahms tonight?

There was a family friend of the VDS' on, stated he was an American--Bob something. He said the judge's arrest was because of the media crush in Aruba, and that Joran's civil rights were being violated. He obviously was comparing Aruba practices against US practices. I just thought it was interesting. Also, he said that Anita while "stunned" was not really surprised as she thought it may be coming.

When asked what pvds' position was he could not answer. But a lady attorney who had worked with pvds in the prosecution office previously said he was a nice kind man, and that many on the island were shocled

Yes, the female lawyer and former Asst. DA (not sure the correct Aruban title) said Paulas was a quiet, kind, soft spoken man.

[KackyLacky]

NANCY GRACE ON CNN JUST SAID  She feels that perhaps the judge put the kids up to that original statment.

wasn't there some thing going around about a conversation at the vds pool? Perhaps pvds was in on that?

[cancon]

Arubans don't trust Dutch people that easily.

Colonization is traditionally less popular with the colonee

except in Canada, LOL, took us centuries to break the apron strings and there are still some threads hanging on......

[arubagirl]

Absolut, try coming for carnival (FEB). It would be a blast.

[arubagirl]

Cancon, we like Dutch money coming our way, we're not too convinced about the people...

[LilOrphan]

that is my question as well. Like I said on the other board, joran was told to stop talking about this case, but nothing was said about his bragging about sex

Can anyone come up with a plausible reason he or the Kalpoes would say that sex was involved if it truly wasn't?  

PS: Please respond because I'm not going to bite anyone's banana off again.  Not my usual M.O.  Just that  having been in a situation similar to Mrs. VdS, it struck a serious nerve to hear strangers picking her apart as a parent and person. But  rest assured no more dramatic outbursts from me.

[Juvenal]

Juvenal - I certainly understand the posse reaction - my daughter, who is now a responsible young woman, stayed out overnight once when she was 15 with no word to me - I was at the police station immediately filing a report. (and since we live in a small town, the local tough cop was at our house when she returned home to give her quite a talking to!)

But I've also travelled to the Carib. and have lots of friends there - a lot of tourists including the young spring breakers, etc - get pretty out of control and act in a way that looks irresponsible. It would not surprise me if local authorities thought - oops, another young lady got too drunk or decided to stay with new boyfriend or ran away. We even here in the states have to wait, what 24 hours or so before a missing person report is taken seriously. It does seem that the initial police report was mishandled and not filed - that's awful - but I'm not convinced the Aruban police are off the wall. In fact, a lot of parents in the US whose teens go missing complain that it's almost impossible to convince the cops they are not runaways.

still a mystery

That's very true about LE not being overly concerned about missing persons. Happens here in the U.S. too. All the more reason why I don't blame the Twittys one bit for doing what they did.

But it sounds like you have some good local LE where you live. I'm very glad things turned out all right.

[KackyLacky]

I have wanted to say this for a couple of hours but it was very busy in here. After doing all the research and going websites of cams and the hotels and the Tattoo and so much more. Aruba is beautful cept for that pond but I digress. I have never been outside of the US, unlike RB who is a world traveller. I would love to visit and may put it over Vegas as my dream destination for the near term.

I think I would go in the spring though. Before hurricanes and when it is not so hot.

And this Aruba commercial was brought to you by ScaredMonkeys.com

Yes, actually I was talking to my other half, and we made a tentative plan for later this year. I want to go there.

[Terry]

NANCY GRACE ON CNN JUST SAID  She feels that perhaps the judge put the kids up to that original statment.

Oh gawd. That women is evil, imo.
"Being a crime victim myself, i, blah blah blah"

[absolut]

Absolut, try coming for carnival (FEB). It would be a blast.

Good idea 20 degrees here and possible 6-12 inches of snow, to the bright sunshine and clear waters of aruba. Can I wear my Don Johnson (Miami Vice) wear in Feb?

[KackyLacky]

that is my question as well. Like I said on the other board, joran was told to stop talking about this case, but nothing was said about his bragging about sex

Can anyone come up with a plausible reason he or the Kalpoes would say that sex was involved if it truly wasn't?  

PS: Please respond because I'm not going to bite anyone's banana off again.  Not my usual M.O.  Just that  having been in a situation similar to Mrs. VdS, it struck a serious nerve to hear strangers picking her apart as a parent and person. But  rest assured no more dramatic outbursts from me.

I am not talking about the "messing around or having fun" in the car, it seemed to me that what inspector meant was full on sex!