RBN #20 - 6/23/05 Evening

[KKM]

I think RichinTexas and WWizard have been correct all along.

Speaking for myself and my age/group of friends, Beth's attitude has had a trickle down effect in this area I think.

I hope I convey this the right way as it's so hard to do on a message board - people here aren't sad (about a possible death) or planning any funerals.  

It's all about hope, hope and more hope.  The yellow ribbons everywhere are so significant and meaningful in their display of what we ALL really want - to see Natalee come home.

Maybe we are too optimistic.  Maybe we need to look out from under our rose colored glasses.  But that is not an option right now.

[littletxlady]

Ya know... maybe Geraldo's info about sex tapes is not so far-fetched. Is it possible that the 3 boys took NH to a house where films are made? That this is a ring and it is much bigger and scarier than any of you think? Is that why Beth is so convinced that there are others involved? Certainly these types of tapes have a market. Ever heard of snuff films?

The more films they'd think they could get out of her, the longer she'd stay alive. Whatever scenario keeps her alive. And if this is a possibility, they'd at least treat her well so she'd look good on film.

Snuff films are one of those popular legends that refuse to die.  There has been a lot of work on this subject by police and government agencies around the world.  Despite having undercover people offer thousands of dollars to low-lifes in countries that produce dubious film content (like the US, for one), they weren't able to come up with a single example of a snuff film anywhere.

This is true, I don't have the link but this is fact. People were actually paying 10's of thousands or more. Nada not 1 film.

Snuff films are as real as Natalee missing. They are just deep underground.

[writenow]

Earlier I posted about PVDS timeline

Landed at 5pm from Holland
11pm Picked up JVDS
If the speculation is true up again at say 3am
Still up when Joran goes to school 7am
Day goes by no idea
1am awaken by the Posse
3am still awake
4 am still awake

Moma VDS comes back I'll be when she ends up seeing him he is sleeping like a rock.

Alright, I'm jumping around reading pages trying to keep up, so if I missed something don't flame me.

We know BOTH v.d. Sloot parents were in Holland? Papa comes back 3 days before mama?

[bendex]

JUVENAL PLEASE DONT PITTY YOURSELF, NOBODY IS BLAMING THE STATES , LOTS OF HORRIBLE CRIMES ARE COMMITED AT EVERY PART OF THE WORLD MANY OF THEM NOT RECIEVING THE SAME ATTENTION AS THE CASE OF NATALEE AND STAY UNSOLVED. I THINK HANNIE WAS AMING AT THAT. THE REMARK ABOUT EUROPE OR ARUBA ARE SENSLESS ,
 LOOK UPON IT THIS WAY YET AGAIN THE WORLD HAS LOST ANOTHER GREAT CREATURE OF LIFE WHO MIGHT HAVE CONTRIBUTED FOR THE BEST IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN ......... NATALEE HOLLOWAY !

But what they are doing know in aruba, seems to me only they arrest a lot of people to make the americans happy

You know what would make me happy?

If people would stop murdering Americans or causing them to disappear, you wouldn't have to worry about what we do.

Europe could continue it's long, self-induced slide into complete irrelevance, and we'd be content to let you do it.

But, on the other hand, you're right. Clearly, every arrest in this case was made on the express orders of the U.S. media.

And all this, of course, is just the secret preliminary run-up to the U.S. invasion of Aruba, so we can get our grubby hands on their massive oil supply.

[absolut]

Earlier I posted about PVDS timeline

Landed at 5pm from Holland
11pm Picked up JVDS
If the speculation is true up again at say 3am
Still up when Joran goes to school 7am
Day goes by no idea
1am awaken by the Posse
3am still awake
4 am still awake

Moma VDS comes back I'll be when she ends up seeing him he is sleeping like a rock.

Alright, I'm jumping around reading pages trying to keep up, so if I missed something don't flame me.

We know BOTH v.d. Sloot parents were in Holland? Papa comes back 3 days before mama?

Yep, haven't found a good reason yet.

[K in TX]

I think RichinTexas and WWizard have been correct all along.

Speaking for myself and my age/group of friends, Beth's attitude has had a trickle down effect in this area I think.

I hope I convey this the right way as it's so hard to do on a message board - people here aren't sad (about a possible death) or planning any funerals.  

It's all about hope, hope and more hope.  The yellow ribbons everywhere are so significant and meaningful in their display of what we ALL really want - to see Natalee come home.

Maybe we are too optimistic.  Maybe we need to look out from under our rose colored glasses.  But that is not an option right now.

I don't think you can BE too optimistic, and I don't see any reason why you *should* think you are wearing rose colored glasses.  If this were my friend or family member, I would be just as optimistic as you all are.  I think you have to be, until you have reason to believe otherwise.  Hey - I don't even know Natalee, and I'm optimistic that she'll be alive.  I pray about it every night.  I sure hope her friends and family, and your whole community get some good news.

[Juvenal]

But what they are doing know in aruba, seems to me only they arrest a lot of people to make the americans happy

You know what would make me happy?

If people would stop murdering Americans or causing them to disappear, you wouldn't have to worry about what we do.

Europe could continue it's long, self-induced slide into complete irrelevance, and we'd be content to let you do it.

But, on the other hand, you're right. Clearly, every arrest in this case was made on the express orders of the U.S. media.

And all this, of course, is just the secret preliminary run-up to the U.S. invasion of Aruba, so we can get our grubby hands on their massive oil supply.

Oh grow up!! The family is persistant and the press pounced on it because it is unusual for something like this to happen on a beautiful island like Aruba. It would make a great lifetime movie, thats what makes it press hang in there. If people didn't watch, they would leave.

Perhaps you didn't catch my sarcasm.

[Another K in Texas]

She said she was there for a family celebration.  No details.

[asdf]

bendex - NO PUN INTENDED BUT JUST OUT OF CURIOUSITY, WHY DO YOU TYPE IN CAPS?  thanks.

[littletxlady]

Nite Monkeys, Hopefully we will all wake to wonderful news!
Hold the fort down kiddos  

[Ting]

If Aruban law enforcement is making arrests so that Americans will be "happy", as Hannie suggested, then the situation down there is a lot worse than we imagine.

Do you think Aruba (or the Netherlands) would be in a position to "defy America?"  How might that impact the situation down there?

I believe that authorities in both companies are doing everything they can to cooperate with US directives.

[nancy_drew]

Maybe you have further info you haven't posted. But, I don't see any facts at all.

Post some of your own, nancy.  I'd like to see them

That's not the point RB. This isn't a tit for tat crime game or "my theory is better than your theory" deal.  I don't have a theory yet...we went over that yesterday.  I'm truly not trying to be difficult. I've read the theory and in my opinion it doesn't have legs or even toes. I say that in a respectful way.  Now, if a group is serious enough about this theory to do real research to link it up...that's different.  It may well turn into something important.

Thing is, a good, solid theory can't just sound good, or contain juicy hearsay... to hold up it's got to have some real live facts.  We aren't writing scripts for CSI.

[bendex]

bendex - NO PUN INTENDED BUT JUST OUT OF CURIOUSITY, WHY DO YOU TYPE IN CAPS?  thanks.

I LIKE TO GET NOTED !? sorry i did not know rwriting in caps in the world of blogs is rude

[katya]

The more I watch and listen - and remind myself of how much we do only *think* we know because we are reading here nonstop and listening to all the hyped news broadcasts, the more I think Hannie is very right to worry that the arrests have more to do with US media pressure than with standard legal practice.  I keep remembering that initially there was a big uproar to arrest somebody and they grabbed the two security guards and that was a mistake.

The lawyer on Larry King was saying that if he was PVDS he would have told his kid to say nothing at all - and that if he was one of the Hollaway/Twitty's he would be at the police station all the time demanding they pick up everyone imaginable. I worry that the Holloway/Twitty pressure may be pushing this case in one direction and it might be the wrong one.

The idea that this complicated kidnap/prostitution/white slave thing was cooked up in the time available in the accepted timeline is off the wall - and assumes more fact behind the arrests than needed in the Dutch system.

I'm voting that Joran left her alive on the beach near the HI and that Paul is in trouble for telling him not to talk or told him that since he told a story coz he was afraid and then everything got way more intense (NH missing and not turning up as a runaway, etc) to stick to it since he was afraid his son would get blamed. This would turn out to be the wrong advice but I could see how he might do that.

not willing to blame anyone yet ... still all hearsay and rumour

This is my view, also, good post.

[bamajo]

Nite Monkeys, Hopefully we will all wake to wonderful news!
Hold the fort down kiddos  

night, night too.  my 3 year old just woke up and i've got to get him back down.

[absolut]

Case updates from the Scared Monkey Forums (CaliGirl) Click to interact now!
Natalee met Joran before CnC (I stick with a day or two before), she left with him approx 1:30 with Joran, they somehow leave in the Kalpoe's car seated in the back.

There was a scuffle (not sure that's important but it's there) between Joran and some of the kids on the trip.

We have Joran and one or possibly two of his friends being questioned.

We have Deepak and Satish and Deepak's friend Steve arrested.

We at least have a one common theme in all stories...the beach (to which one, we can only guess)

We know Joran had be speaking at school about the case to his friends (through his father)

We know Joran and his friends to frequent CnC and casinos. (possibly leading us to more witnesses at CnC and the casino)

Can Caligirl or who ever else wants to jump in with her and update this for the a couple of places we are gonna post it.

[Juvenal]

JUVENAL PLEASE DONT PITTY YOURSELF, NOBODY IS BLAMING THE STATES , LOTS OF HORRIBLE CRIMES ARE COMMITED AT EVERY PART OF THE WORLD MANY OF THEM NOT RECIEVING THE SAME ATTENTION AS THE CASE OF NATALEE AND STAY UNSOLVED. I THINK HANNIE WAS AMING AT THAT. THE REMARK ABOUT EUROPE OR ARUBA ARE SENSLESS ,
 LOOK UPON IT THIS WAY YET AGAIN THE WORLD HAS LOST ANOTHER GREAT CREATURE OF LIFE WHO MIGHT HAVE CONTRIBUTED FOR THE BEST IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN ......... NATALEE HOLLOWAY !

But what they are doing know in aruba, seems to me only they arrest a lot of people to make the americans happy

You know what would make me happy?

If people would stop murdering Americans or causing them to disappear, you wouldn't have to worry about what we do.

Europe could continue it's long, self-induced slide into complete irrelevance, and we'd be content to let you do it.

But, on the other hand, you're right. Clearly, every arrest in this case was made on the express orders of the U.S. media.

And all this, of course, is just the secret preliminary run-up to the U.S. invasion of Aruba, so we can get our grubby hands on their massive oil supply.

bendex--

Retype your message properly (ie not in all caps) and I'll be happy to respond.

[HannieC]

writergal wrote:

If Aruban law enforcement is making arrests so that Americans will be "happy", as Hannie suggested, then the situation down there is a lot worse than we imagine.
I think this may be the silliest thing I've ever heard. And...it doesn't say much for Aruban LE, does it?

I`m not blaming anyone. I only can speak in MHO b/c I never see such a mediahype of a dissaperence in my country. And so many "arrests"in a case. So that leaves me wondering why      

That has nothing to do with if the arubian LE are incompetent or not.

Which by the way, the FBI says they are doing a good job....

[tuberide]

oh no asdf, not another evil eye watching us......

[writergal]

If Aruban law enforcement is making arrests so that Americans will be "happy", as Hannie suggested, then the situation down there is a lot worse than we imagine.

Do you think Aruba (or the Netherlands) would be in a position to "defy America?"  How might that impact the situation down there?

I believe that authorities in both companies are doing everything they can to cooperate with US directives.

     I think you missed my point, and my sarcasm. What I was saying is that it's ridiculous to suggest that the Arubans are making arrests only to make Americans happy, as the poster I cited had suggested.