RBN #20 - 6/23/05 Evening

[writenow]

Ok I'm actually going to bed tonight...let's hope something happens SOON, geez.

Nite MB! Love the horse pic!
Definitely praying for a speedy happy conclusion.

[gaijin]

Ok I'm actually going to bed tonight...let's hope something happens SOON, geez.

Is that your horse in your avatar???

It is beautiful!!!

Yes that's my BABY, Johnny. THe most seriously spoiled horse ever, probably.

that is some face on that animal....

[mordred]

Snuff films are as real as Natalee missing. They are just deep underground.

The snuff films urban legend is derived from a 1970's (Sidney Sheldon?)novel in England- There has never been any evidence whatsoever of their existence. If you are willing to believe in them, then at least have the courtesy to say that your belief is based on blind faith! That or give some evidence!

[bendex]

Thanks message taken !!!

bendex - NO PUN INTENDED BUT JUST OUT OF CURIOUSITY, WHY DO YOU TYPE IN CAPS?  thanks.

I LIKE TO GET NOTED !? sorry i did not know rwriting in caps in the world of blogs is rude

[Juvenal]

I did not ask for a response

JUVENAL PLEASE DONT PITTY YOURSELF, NOBODY IS BLAMING THE STATES , LOTS OF HORRIBLE CRIMES ARE COMMITED AT EVERY PART OF THE WORLD MANY OF THEM NOT RECIEVING THE SAME ATTENTION AS THE CASE OF NATALEE AND STAY UNSOLVED. I THINK HANNIE WAS AMING AT THAT. THE REMARK ABOUT EUROPE OR ARUBA ARE SENSLESS ,
 LOOK UPON IT THIS WAY YET AGAIN THE WORLD HAS LOST ANOTHER GREAT CREATURE OF LIFE WHO MIGHT HAVE CONTRIBUTED FOR THE BEST IN THE WORLD WE LIVE IN ......... NATALEE HOLLOWAY !

But what they are doing know in aruba, seems to me only they arrest a lot of people to make the americans happy

You know what would make me happy?

If people would stop murdering Americans or causing them to disappear, you wouldn't have to worry about what we do.

Europe could continue it's long, self-induced slide into complete irrelevance, and we'd be content to let you do it.

But, on the other hand, you're right. Clearly, every arrest in this case was made on the express orders of the U.S. media.

And all this, of course, is just the secret preliminary run-up to the U.S. invasion of Aruba, so we can get our grubby hands on their massive oil supply.

bendex--

Retype your message properly (ie not in all caps) and I'll be happy to respond.

Fair enough.

[iquitos]

The more I watch and listen - and remind myself of how much we do only *think* we know because we are reading here nonstop and listening to all the hyped news broadcasts, the more I think Hannie is very right to worry that the arrests have more to do with US media pressure than with standard legal practice.  I keep remembering that initially there was a big uproar to arrest somebody and they grabbed the two security guards and that was a mistake.

The lawyer on Larry King was saying that if he was PVDS he would have told his kid to say nothing at all - and that if he was one of the Hollaway/Twitty's he would be at the police station all the time demanding they pick up everyone imaginable. I worry that the Holloway/Twitty pressure may be pushing this case in one direction and it might be the wrong one.

The idea that this complicated kidnap/prostitution/white slave thing was cooked up in the time available in the accepted timeline is off the wall - and assumes more fact behind the arrests than needed in the Dutch system.

I'm voting that Joran left her alive on the beach near the HI and that Paul is in trouble for telling him not to talk or told him that since he told a story coz he was afraid and then everything got way more intense (NH missing and not turning up as a runaway, etc) to stick to it since he was afraid his son would get blamed. This would turn out to be the wrong advice but I could see how he might do that.

not willing to blame anyone yet ... still all hearsay and rumour

very perceptive coco,  the twittys are throwing their weight around in a scandalous manner aided and abetted by the US media.  the arubans are intimidated and are trying to please the twittys who are manipulating the cops through the FBI.  The FBI is politcally savvy too tho we now have reports they are scaling down (TDY fatigue).   i have the feeling that the prosecutor is young and inexperienced.  note too that the judge on the case so far, who was imported from curacao, probably because vandersloot could not sit for is son's case, is leaving so we have a revolving door there.  the prosecutor has immense authority in the investigative phase  

they may have taken the case down the wrong path again as with the security guards and are now desperate to pin this on joran but they don't know what and have no body and no material evidence.  it is possible that Joran has been set up by other interests on the island to get back at dad.  he was indiscrete, visible, probably used his status as son of a judge and somebody was watching him and pounced when they saw an opportunity.  no that sounds to complicated.

[K in TX]

OK guys, have a good night.  I'm off to bed (though I'll probably watch FOX or CNN until midnight, lol).  Praying for good news...

[mbhs05]

Ok I'm actually going to bed tonight...let's hope something happens SOON, geez.

Nite MB! Love the horse pic!
Definitely praying for a speedy happy conclusion.

Hoping for it...well goodnight! (For real).

[chloe2]

Ya know... maybe Geraldo's info about sex tapes is not so far-fetched. Is it possible that the 3 boys took NH to a house where films are made? That this is a ring and it is much bigger and scarier than any of you think? Is that why Beth is so convinced that there are others involved? Certainly these types of tapes have a market. Ever heard of snuff films?

The more films they'd think they could get out of her, the longer she'd stay alive. Whatever scenario keeps her alive. And if this is a possibility, they'd at least treat her well so she'd look good on film.

Snuff films are one of those popular legends that refuse to die.  There has been a lot of work on this subject by police and government agencies around the world.  Despite having undercover people offer thousands of dollars to low-lifes in countries that produce dubious film content (like the US, for one), they weren't able to come up with a single example of a snuff film anywhere.

Interesting. One of my film school profs swore he saw one in NYC in the '60s. Did not know what he was going to see - it was an 'underground' event, very hush, hush.

[bendex]

Juvenal but I would love to here your theory on what happend to Natalee Holloway

[friend of monkeys]

bendex - NO PUN INTENDED BUT JUST OUT OF CURIOUSITY, WHY DO YOU TYPE IN CAPS?  thanks.

I LIKE TO GET NOTED !? sorry i did not know rwriting in caps in the world of blogs is rude

I did not know either!!!

[heartache]

Since I can only attest to the fact that I know there is a certain teenage faction that likes to tape their encounters(ala Paris)... Geraldo and his info are much more believable than the "sold into slavery" theory. Perhaps Baby VDS thought NH was going to be a willing participant and she wasn't. There is some reason why Beth is convinced that there are more people involved.

[DivaToo]

Ok I'm actually going to bed tonight...let's hope something happens SOON, geez.

Nite MB! Love the horse pic!
Definitely praying for a speedy happy conclusion.

Hoping for it...well goodnight! (For real).

Nitey Nite MB, love your horse! (((MB)))

[Ting]

Snuff films are one of those popular legends that refuse to die.

An even more popular and enduring legend is that there are things so terrible that no human being does them.

[puggywug]

Ya know... maybe Geraldo's info about sex tapes is not so far-fetched. Is it possible that the 3 boys took NH to a house where films are made? That this is a ring and it is much bigger and scarier than any of you think? Is that why Beth is so convinced that there are others involved? Certainly these types of tapes have a market. Ever heard of snuff films?

The more films they'd think they could get out of her, the longer she'd stay alive. Whatever scenario keeps her alive. And if this is a possibility, they'd at least treat her well so she'd look good on film.

Snuff films are one of those popular legends that refuse to die.  There has been a lot of work on this subject by police and government agencies around the world.  Despite having undercover people offer thousands of dollars to low-lifes in countries that produce dubious film content (like the US, for one), they weren't able to come up with a single example of a snuff film anywhere.

Not sure how we got off on snuff films...but, they aren't found because they are done for the porno elite...very hard to track and almost impossible to find a copy. But, I do believe they exist.  As sad and sick as it is..

I heard in a Sociology class on criminal behavior that biker gangs were known to record snuff films of murders and rapes.  But, just because a professor says it doesn't make it true.  I am undecided on it.   I did, however, find this link about the urban legend of snuff films on snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/madmen/snuff.htm

[gaijin]

Ok I'm actually going to bed tonight...let's hope something happens SOON, geez.

what are you stilll doing here, girl?

Sigh....lurking. I'm doing it again. Oy.

outside of taking care of the cat...you been here all day...
(not to start a "kitten thread" again, Tom)

dont burn out, babe..

Nah, I was out for horse training earlier...got home about 7:30, 8:00 and have been on since then. But now...OFF. Must. Stop.
I just keep thinking I'll MISS something important!

well, I'm closing also.
Thank you everyone for the good information, good insight, good wine and good conversation (...oh..wait a minute..."I" bought the wine)
but thanks for the camaraderie,
 and GOds good wishes and thoughts for Natalee..

be lurking over yahs in the mgn...

tho you wont know it...

[Florida_mom]

From Riehl World this evening:

"After discussions with two independent sources on Aruba this evening, it would appear that a strong working theory by some close to the investigation is that Paulus Van der Sloot was directly involved with the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, up to and including disposal of her body after the fact.

This could explain Joran Van der Sloot's unusual interaction with Satish and Deepak Kalpoe during interrogation, as first reported here.

That interaction involved Joran Van der Sloot changing his story immediately after being called a liar by one of the Kalpoe brothers for stating that he had picked him up at the beach."

[CaliGirl]

So topic but I can't find it because there's like 29,000 posts plus lol

Does anyone remember where Jug Twitty worked?

I never noted that down  

[LouLou]

Well McDonald's may have been closed but many times the local McD is a local hang out in the parking lot.  It is usually along the main drag and kids use it to park for a while to hang out.

That time of day it would be empty but it would be a good place to stop and watch traffic and try to catch your son if you discovered he sneaked out on you.

[chloe2]

There is some reason why Beth is convinced that there are more people involved.

Maybe she's been reading/listening to all the theorists too much.