Lively Case Discussion #507 8/6 - 8/7/2006

[Angiex911dsptchr]

CARNUT~~  if you are still here.. ZI have to ask you a question about a vehicle..  if you can.. could you email me PLEASE???

Angiex911dsptchr@aol.com        TY much!   (sorry OT)

[klaasend]

From Deepak's June10th statement:

To your question as to what is the purpose of going out, I can say the following. The purpose of going out to the casino is making money and going to "Carlos & Charlies" is to go and have a drink and for the good atmosphere.

To your question whether my brother also comes along, I can state the following. My brother always comes along

[Anna]

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Thanks, NJMom,
I will check that comment out soon as they are back up.

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[mishy]

This is a link to an article in USAToday and this Grossman who wrote it says that Aruba has had one murder in the last twenty years.  I have already written to him protesting that statement but the horror of it is he made it apparently speaking to a group of travel agents!!

Please write to Mr Grossman if you feel so inclined and request that he correct this horrific disinformation.  Here is the article and his email address is at the bottom of the article.

http://tinyurl.com/mg6ju

I am so angry he did this I am going to have to take a break. . . . .

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Anna, who is this Grossman? And what's his stake in this?

[klaasend]

From Deepak's June 10th statement:

To your question whether or not we pick up girls when we go for example to "Carlos & Charlies", I can state the following. Yes, we from time to time pick up girls there.

To your question whether these are local girls or tourists, I can state the following. They are tourists.
To your question as to who is the one who makes the first move towards the girls we are going to pick up, I can state the following. It usually is Joran or another friend with the name Freddy Zedan.

To your question as to what role Joran plays in our circle of friends, I can state the following. He has no real role. We are all the same.

To your question as to where we take the girls we pick up, I can state the following. Sometimes the girls stay at "Carlos & Charlies" or sometimes we take them to their hotel.

To your question was to what exactly happens when we have picked up the girls, I can state the following. Just kissing and dancing.

To your question whether sexual intercourse has happened, I can state the following. Yes, it has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

[Easywriter]

Deep in my thoughts I see this confused, crying girl struggling to get away while Joran laughs and Deepak gets angry.  Torn clothing, tears, screams for help and then silence while the three jokers laugh about their conquest.  Then one of them notices she is no longer breathing.  Panic ensues and a desperate call was made.  Not to the police, but to a judge-in-training.

Yep - Easy, I just posted the June 10th statements that BFN just posted.  They are in their own thread.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166

I just skimmed through those and it makes me angry that this had to go on for so long.  Why no one jerked a knot in their tails is beyond belief.

There are idiots in this world and they want to cloud the truth for some reason.  Boeti did not happen upon this scene and take control.  The three punks did what they did!

[Tylergal]

Deep in my thoughts I see this confused, crying girl struggling to get away while Joran laughs and Deepak gets angry.  Torn clothing, tears, screams for help and then silence while the three jokers laugh about their conquest.  Then one of them notices she is no longer breathing.  Panic ensues and a desperate call was made.  Not to the police, but to a judge-in-training.

Yep - Easy, I just posted the June 10th statements that BFN just posted.  They are in their own thread.

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=166

I just skimmed through those and it makes me angry that this had to go on for so long.  Why no one jerked a knot in their tails is beyond belief.

There are idiots in this world and they want to cloud the truth for some reason.  Boeti did not happen upon this scene and take control.  The three punks did what they did!

"We usually take them back to their hotel."  HOLIDAY INN.

[SunFreak2]

From Deepak's June 10th statement:


To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

I'm confused on the interpretation of these 2 statements.  Is he saying that they have all ended up in the same room having sex with girls, but they have not shared the same girl?

[Carnut]

CARNUT~~  if you are still here.. ZI have to ask you a question about a vehicle..  if you can.. could you email me PLEASE???

Angiex911dsptchr@aol.com        TY much!   (sorry OT)

Well, now I emailed you, but sometimes aol dosen't like my email so it might take awhile to get thru.

Ya know my email address is carnut@carnut.com if you want to go ahead and email me.

[AZSunny]

Since my 15th year I have been drinking alcohol. I am a social drinker. I think that before I start feeling tipsy I have to drink a crate of beer. I cannot answer you how many rum and whisky's I have to drink before I get drunk. If I drink normal glasses of alcoholic beverages I would have to drink twenty (20) to thirty (30) glasses before I get drunk. If I get drunk I feel tired and want to sleep. I do not get irritated when I get drunk.

He is saying 20 or 30 drinks before he gets drunk?  This "person" has a very serious drinking problem.    a case of beer to be drunk?   He gained all this experience in 2 years?  
 

[klaasend]

From Deepak's June 10th statement:


To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

I'm confused on the interpretation of these 2 statements.  Is he saying that they have all ended up in the same room having sex with girls, but they have not shared the same girl?

Yes, that's how I read it.

[Tylergal]

Since my 15th year I have been drinking alcohol. I am a social drinker. I think that before I start feeling tipsy I have to drink a crate of beer. I cannot answer you how many rum and whisky's I have to drink before I get drunk. If I drink normal glasses of alcoholic beverages I would have to drink twenty (20) to thirty (30) glasses before I get drunk. If I get drunk I feel tired and want to sleep. I do not get irritated when I get drunk.

He is saying 20 or 30 drinks before he gets drunk?  This "person" has a very serious drinking problem.    a case of beer to be drunk?   He gained all this experience in 2 years?  
 

However, it takes so little for the K2 to get mad and want to fight.   I think we already see what is happening here.  He is blaming Deepak for getting mad.  Someone killed Natalee.  I rather think from what Jossy has told us, Joran is the big bloater with the short fuse among other short items, I suspect.

[Tylergal]

From Deepak's June 10th statement:


To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

I'm confused on the interpretation of these 2 statements.  Is he saying that they have all ended up in the same room having sex with girls, but they have not shared the same girl?

Yes, that's how I read it.

I think he meant they did not have sex with her, all three simultaneously as in ways that have been recorded on video.  PIMPS, remember.

[SunFreak2]

Since my 15th year I have been drinking alcohol. I am a social drinker. I think that before I start feeling tipsy I have to drink a crate of beer. I cannot answer you how many rum and whisky's I have to drink before I get drunk. If I drink normal glasses of alcoholic beverages I would have to drink twenty (20) to thirty (30) glasses before I get drunk. If I get drunk I feel tired and want to sleep. I do not get irritated when I get drunk.

He is saying 20 or 30 drinks before he gets drunk?  This "person" has a very serious drinking problem.    a case of beer to be drunk?   He gained all this experience in 2 years?  
 

However, it takes so little for the K2 to get mad and want to fight.   I think we already see what is happening here.  He is blaming Deepak for getting mad.  Someone killed Natalee.  I rather think from what Jossy has told us, Joran is the big bloater with the short fuse among other short items, I suspect.

Short eyelashes? Short fingernails?      

[klaasend]

Reading these June 10th statements, especially Satish's statement..seems to me Joran is pointing his finger at Deepak and Satish is pointing his finger at Steve Croes.

[Tylergal]

From Deepak's June 10th statement:


To your question whether it ever happened that all of us, so in one room, had sexual intercourse, I can state the following. It has happened.

To your question whether it ever happened that the three of us had sexual intercourse with a girl, I can state the following. That has never happened.

I'm confused on the interpretation of these 2 statements.  Is he saying that they have all ended up in the same room having sex with girls, but they have not shared the same girl?

Yes, that's how I read it.

I think he meant they did not have sex with her, all three simultaneously as in ways that have been recorded on video.  PIMPS, remember.

Remember there is a reason he was asked this question this way.  Remember what the definition of PIMPS is.

[justinsmama]

This is a link to an article in USAToday and this Grossman who wrote it says that Aruba has had one murder in the last twenty years.  I have already written to him protesting that statement but the horror of it is he made it apparently speaking to a group of travel agents!!

Please write to Mr Grossman if you feel so inclined and request that he correct this horrific disinformation.  Here is the article and his email address is at the bottom of the article.

http://tinyurl.com/mg6ju

I am so angry he did this I am going to have to take a break. . . . .

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Anna, who is this Grossman? And what's his stake in this?

To report corrections and clarifications, contact Reader Editor Brent Jones at 1-800-872-7073 or e-mail accuracy@usatoday.com

[Tylergal]

Reading these June 10th statements, especially Satish's statement..seems to me Joran is pointing his finger at Deepak and Satish is pointing his finger at Steve Croes.

One witness is not a witness.

[SunFreak2]

Anything on TV tonight about the case?

[justinsmama]

This what Grossman at USA Today wrote:

Many people say they feel safe when traveling. But our sense of "safe" is often distorted by media coverage (or the lack of it) and distance, according to Tarlow. For example, the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gained worldwide attention and caused a decline in visitors to Aruba, even though it is the safest island in the Caribbean with only one murder reported in the last 20 years.