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« Reply #100 on: June 24, 2005, 01:19:07 AM »

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Isn't there some other way to warn people--like always on a certain page number, then 30 minutes after that page is finished, the whole folder will be locked? Grrrr

That's not a bad idea.  And actually I did give everyone a 5 min heads up before I locked it about an hour ago.   I'll take that one up with the team and see what we can do...

Thanks Smile


Well, yes, I came upon the 5-minute warning about 30 minutes after you posted it!
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« Reply #101 on: June 24, 2005, 01:19:19 AM »

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Why though if Beth thinks this is a kidnapping - would they bother with the Texas gang - they cannot find someone held in a basement for a kidnapping???


Even though Beth was very compelling in the interview...someone made the point that Natalee's Dad is far more realistic in noting there's not much of a chance she's alive.  He has spent alot of time with FBI and authorities, he gets the same updates Beth does...and he doesn't sound like there's a kidnapping or that there's much of a chance she's alive.


I have to agree with Natalee's father too. As sad as it is. The likelihood of her being detained or kidnapped and being alive is hopeful, yet in all probability not likely. Sad
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« Reply #102 on: June 24, 2005, 01:19:57 AM »

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Did the "C. Necktie" incident really not happen on the island???????????
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No, it really did happen on the island.  It was reported in the paper, and gave the man's name, although I can't remember what it was, only that it was dutch.

:::running through the door:::::

His name was Renee... I can't remember the last name but it was Dutch
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« Reply #103 on: June 24, 2005, 01:20:40 AM »

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Did the "C. Necktie" incident really not happen on the island???????????
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No, it really did happen on the island.  It was reported in the paper, and gave the man's name, although I can't remember what it was, only that it was dutch.

:::running through the door:::::

His name was Renee... I can't remember the last name but it was Dutch


renee van dutch
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« Reply #104 on: June 24, 2005, 01:20:41 AM »

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Hey Nancy_Drew, I just got back and read your posts in the other forum re: the theory.  You make excellent points, and they're understood particularly in light of my own line of work.  As far as facts, go, though,  the only facts I was taking were those given out by Beth Holloway, things she has emphatically stated (or in some cases, what she hasn't said) time and time and time again in every interview.  If you look at what she has said, it's impossible to take it as a whole and make it fit into a rape/murder scenario with Joran, IMO.  Coupled with her attitude, her statements do paint only a few pictures.  That said, I'm not picking out wedding invitations with the idea.

I've been researching the mystery Lorenzo, but there doesn't even seem to be consensus on the correct last name. Would love to have help just pursuing this -- it's no less plausible (or more offensive) than the whole random sex/drug or (God forbid) sold into porn stardom theories.   The individuals from Aruba who stated Paul VdS was arrested an hour before we found out it was true have also left a trail of specifics about the 'fifth suspect' that line-up with the bizarre outburst from the Diario guy on Fox re: car chase and Venezuela, and that post that came out before the story broke in America that Natalee was missing.  Sure it's still rumor and conjection, I know.

But so was the nutty story about a break-in at the Watergate Hotel -- before Woodward and Bernstein got on the story. Smile
 

might want to search on lorenzo van g somebody gave us the right name here a few days back  if they are here they will give it to you  i will look too
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« Reply #105 on: June 24, 2005, 01:21:14 AM »

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Did the "C. Necktie" incident really not happen on the island???????????


see, I was sure that Arubagirl verified this also

It was in the Aruban paper.  The guys name was Rene Van Heyningen.
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« Reply #106 on: June 24, 2005, 01:22:08 AM »

renee van den der goldmember (the guy from austin powers)  JK
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« Reply #107 on: June 24, 2005, 01:23:10 AM »

Renee Van Hannikan
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« Reply #108 on: June 24, 2005, 01:23:14 AM »

McWane is the owner of the steel company in Birmingham that was found guilty of polluting (I believe) recently.  McWane Steel.  Also owns the private jet that flew the Holloways to Aruba.
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« Reply #109 on: June 24, 2005, 01:23:42 AM »

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Hey Nancy_Drew, I just got back and read your posts in the other forum re: the theory.  You make excellent points, and they're understood particularly in light of my own line of work.  As far as facts, go, though,  the only facts I was taking were those given out by Beth Holloway, things she has emphatically stated (or in some cases, what she hasn't said) time and time and time again in every interview.  If you look at what she has said, it's impossible to take it as a whole and make it fit into a rape/murder scenario with Joran, IMO.  Coupled with her attitude, her statements do paint only a few pictures.  That said, I'm not picking out wedding invitations with the idea.

I've been researching the mystery Lorenzo, but there doesn't even seem to be consensus on the correct last name. Would love to have help just pursuing this -- it's no less plausible (or more offensive) than the whole random sex/drug or (God forbid) sold into porn stardom theories.   The individuals from Aruba who stated Paul VdS was arrested an hour before we found out it was true have also left a trail of specifics about the 'fifth suspect' that line-up with the bizarre outburst from the Diario guy on Fox re: car chase and Venezuela, and that post that came out before the story broke in America that Natalee was missing.  Sure it's still rumor and conjection, I know.

But so was the nutty story about a break-in at the Watergate Hotel -- before Woodward and Bernstein got on the story. Smile
 

might want to search on lorenzo van g somebody gave us the right name here a few days back  if they are here they will give it to you  i will look too

Lorenzo Van Rijn
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« Reply #110 on: June 24, 2005, 01:23:48 AM »

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I've been researching the mystery Lorenzo, but there doesn't even seem to be consensus on the correct last name.


What other last name besides "van Rijn" has there been mentioned?  Sheesh, that's the one I've been operating with--not that I'm having much more luck, but I wrote all that many, many posts ago.
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« Reply #111 on: June 24, 2005, 01:24:29 AM »

hi caligirl, btw
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« Reply #112 on: June 24, 2005, 01:24:41 AM »

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Hey Nancy_Drew, I just got back and read your posts in the other forum re: the theory.  You make excellent points, and they're understood particularly in light of my own line of work.  As far as facts, go, though,  the only facts I was taking were those given out by Beth Holloway, things she has emphatically stated (or in some cases, what she hasn't said) time and time and time again in every interview.  If you look at what she has said, it's impossible to take it as a whole and make it fit into a rape/murder scenario with Joran, IMO.  Coupled with her attitude, her statements do paint only a few pictures.  That said, I'm not picking out wedding invitations with the idea.

I've been researching the mystery Lorenzo, but there doesn't even seem to be consensus on the correct last name. Would love to have help just pursuing this -- it's no less plausible (or more offensive) than the whole random sex/drug or (God forbid) sold into porn stardom theories.   The individuals from Aruba who stated Paul VdS was arrested an hour before we found out it was true have also left a trail of specifics about the 'fifth suspect' that line-up with the bizarre outburst from the Diario guy on Fox re: car chase and Venezuela, and that post that came out before the story broke in America that Natalee was missing.  Sure it's still rumor and conjection, I know.

But so was the nutty story about a break-in at the Watergate Hotel -- before Woodward and Bernstein got on the story. Smile


I suggest you not give up on this. I thought I remembered someone in Aruba knowing of this person? Can they help confirm the last name? Are they listed in a directory?  Or, phone book?  Or real estate tax roll?   I'm not sure how pubic records work in Aruba, in this country you can usually find some online for free...at least SS records.  It's pretty easy in this country to do great research on someone online and with phone calls to access public records...not sure there.  Maybe some of our Arubans would  give you info on that.

One thing to remember. Quite often the story you started out with evolves into a completely different story.  Say you can't link up the possible relationship to Paulas..but, in your research you find this guy was interviewed and you find a new piece of evidence on the connections LE is making in solving this case.  THIS IS ONLY AN EXAMPLE....many times research can confirm what you origninally thought..or, it can take you into another interesting direction.

Find out how records work in Aruba.  Are they made as public as they are here?  If not, see if there's an easy way to confirm some of the basic details on this guy. Ask around to see if there's someone down there willing to make a few bucks doing a search for you.  Offer to buy them dinner...

You can PM me or email me...I'm not a wizard but I can help you problem solve if you need it.

Good luck.
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« Reply #113 on: June 24, 2005, 01:25:39 AM »

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I've been researching the mystery Lorenzo, but there doesn't even seem to be consensus on the correct last name.


What other last name besides "van Rijn" has there been mentioned?  Sheesh, that's the one I've been operating with--not that I'm having much more luck, but I wrote all that many, many posts ago.


Max Arends although there is still arguement of whether that is the corrects name.
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« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2005, 01:26:27 AM »

(((((((HUGS)))))) Hi  Wink
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« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2005, 01:27:36 AM »

where is Joran's younger brother in all of this? Is he still on the island or did they ship him back to Holland/Netherlands?  I never hear anything about him or see him in the media either
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« Reply #116 on: June 24, 2005, 01:28:10 AM »

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Ita....I don't have access to cable either, so I go to the riehlworldview.com discussion forum for good recaps everynight....thanks to Allison!


Thanks, I'll add that back to my path.  I hit 4-5 different forums each time, but can't keep up with this one--would be nice to have it all in one place, but if wishes were monkeys ....
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« Reply #117 on: June 24, 2005, 01:29:23 AM »

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(((((((HUGS)))))) Hi  Wink


I needed that tonight (snif sniff) Pistons lost to the Spurs  Sad

Well at least Kerin will be happy
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« Reply #118 on: June 24, 2005, 01:31:48 AM »

partial decapatated man found in cemetary...Rene Van Heyningenm - 29 years old
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« Reply #119 on: June 24, 2005, 01:32:57 AM »

In a way, I do feel bad for Joran's mom.  She has probably been hit hard with the reality of what her husband is really like and the reality that Joran may not be the golden boy she thought he was.  Reality is easy to deal with one thing at a time, but she's been hit hard by all this too.

Well, maybe she meet a nice guy that doesn't lie and sweat so much and run like a girl....(sorry, couldn't resist)
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