RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning

[writenow]

mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.

Remember, the Kalpoe's mother said both boys were home by 2 am. Which means if they leave CnCs at 1:30 am, they don't have time to do a lighthouse run. They only have time to drop off Nat and Joran SOMEWHERE (either VDS home or Marriott beach??) and go home.

I don't think the lighthouse was part of the scenario at all. There just wouldn't be time, IF the kalpoe's mother is telling the truth.

[iquitos]

the timeline does not support the theory that the 3 boys drugged natalee.  she could have already been drugged or she was just reacting to too much alcohol she was not used too.  probably real cheap hi test rotgut.  jug?

iquitos- You sound very biased towards the South, We don't drink rot gut whiskey out of jugs thankyou. I find most of your post extremely hateful towards Southerners in general. Why is that???

I bet most drinks at C&C's were made out of the cheapest stuff around...[/quote

i was referring  to the quality of the liquor being served to gullible kids at carlos and charlie's not to home distilled liquor.  nevertheless, i have no doubt that jug and jar twitty's nicknames have something to do with some kind of alcoholoic drink, probably home made.  who mentioned southerners?

[prettywoman]

mom, friend said they saw it on message board.
this case is the most bizare thing i've ever heard. NHs mom knows what's going on...anyone see her interview last night? she was being soo careful about what she disclosed. they know what's going on. NH is alive and they have some sort of plan...i'm so sure of it.

[friend of monkeys]

prettywoman wrote:

heard mama sloot has been arrested also...can anyone confirm or deny?

If that is true, then I really think that the LE over there are all on X......

no shit Hannie....someone translate aruba dag / 95 please??

[roxyluv]

the timeline does not support the theory that the 3 boys drugged natalee.  she could have already been drugged or she was just reacting to too much alcohol she was not used too.  probably real cheap hi test rotgut.  jug?

iquitos- You sound very biased towards the South, We don't drink rot gut whiskey out of jugs thankyou. I find most of your post extremely hateful towards Southerners in general. Why is that???

I bet most drinks at C&C's were made out of the cheapest stuff around...[/quote

i was referring  to the quality of the liquor being served to gullible kids at carlos and charlie's not to home distilled liquor.  nevertheless, i have no doubt that jug and jar twitty's nicknames have something to do with some kind of alcoholoic drink, probably home made.  who mentioned southerners?

I here ya!!

[Compananzi]

mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.

Remember, the Kalpoe's mother said both boys were home by 2 am. Which means if they leave CnCs at 1:30 am, they don't have time to do a lighthouse run. They only have time to drop off Nat and Joran SOMEWHERE (either VDS home or Marriott beach??) and go home.

I don't think the lighthouse was part of the scenario at all. There just wouldn't be time, IF the kalpoe's mother is telling the truth.

Hmm.. suspect number #6?  If that happens I d say no one will be making interviews with Greta.

[writenow]

remember Anita said last night she was in holland for a family gathering, guess they were all there?  was joran too?  looks like they might all have been a tad discombobulated from the time differences.  it is a pretty long flight from the western carribbean to Amsterdam and back.  possibly even partially explains night wandering.

No, because we've established from MB kids that Joran was gambling at their casino on Saturday night. I think Ma, Pa and the 2 youngest went to Holland and left Joran at home alone.

[roxyluv]

mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.

Remember, the Kalpoe's mother said both boys were home by 2 am. Which means if they leave CnCs at 1:30 am, they don't have time to do a lighthouse run. They only have time to drop off Nat and Joran SOMEWHERE (either VDS home or Marriott beach??) and go home.

I don't think the lighthouse was part of the scenario at all. There just wouldn't be time, IF the kalpoe's mother is telling the truth.

Hmm.. suspect number #6?  If that happens I d say no one will be making interviews with Greta.

      LMAO      

[Compananzi]

remember Anita said last night she was in holland for a family gathering, guess they were all there?  was joran too?  looks like they might all have been a tad discombobulated from the time differences.  it is a pretty long flight from the western carribbean to Amsterdam and back.  possibly even partially explains night wandering.

No, because we've established from MB kids that Joran was gambling at their casino on Saturday night. I think Ma, Pa and the 2 youngest went to Holland and left Joran at home alone.

That would make sense both parents not home the guy is all alone time to study and party.  I think probably he did not go since it was Exam Weeks...makes sense kindof.

[HannieC]

I wonder when the arrests of the dog come..... Maybe one of the dogs name is Kato?........

[Arlee]

Why would someone want to kill Natalee Holloway?

Perhaps because she was threatening to go right to the police and report that she was raped.

And, neither Joran nor his father would allow that.

I pretty much think the rape charges wouldn't fly?
Natalee got in the car, the other two boys have said that she was making out with him .
It's her word against his , they are both good students.
There is more to this story.

I can't shake off the notion that everybody who has lived in Aruba for a long time, would say why commit a murder? You can't run, Aruba is an island!  Sooner than later you will be caught.  Well that is the premise then. .. surely there are murders and I do not have the police statistics or how many cases are actually resolved.

1 homicide a year for the last 3 years. Until 2005

I can't see Joran being worried about Natalee going to the police.  Besides the factors listed above which would make it he said/she said, Joran knew her plane was leaving first thing in the morning.  He could count on: 1. Natalee being too embarrassed for her friends to know; 2. not even knowing how to report it without same knowing (not easy even finding how to contact police over there); 3. even if she knew how and wanted to contact police, she'd have missed her flight in trying to pursue charges; 4. she couldn't have easily returned to Aruba for investigation and prosecution of a case; 5. he knew with Dad's connections, he could beat it even if she pursued a case full-tilt.

However, if she were found unconscious or worse, and if she had been drugged with a substance connected to date-rape, then there would be physical evidence that he had committed at least that crime.  UNLESS HE HAD DRUGGED OR OTHERWISE HARMED HER, he had no reason at all not to report any illness or accident.

This is speculation aimed only at the one posted scenario.  I'm not suggesting that this is or is not what happened.

[CancunMole]

Its a long shot, but could this be the missing Sergio Gomez?  I have no idea how old the missing Sergio Gomez is, but this person in this link is named Sergio Gomez (I know its probably a very common name) but he speaks Dutch.  

http://www.icq.com/groups/members.php?gid=11995956

He is listed six rows up from the bottom.  His ICQ name is Capone.  His real name is listed as Sergio Gomez.  He's 19.

Hey, Everyone.......Look what Chicago_510 found. Is this a piece to the puzzle???????

Did a SM search on Segio Gomez. There are 4 pages of comments with that name.

[rkymtncjngrl]

just caught up and about to have to work but ...

I find the Riehl world bit really off - he presents this hyper statement and then frames it in words about how we shouldn't believe stuff like this until proven ... pfft!

question - I saw last night that there was a mention that the bartender at CnCs said he served Natalee 4-5 vodka drinks and her friends said they got there around 11 - that's a lot for a small woman, esp if she'd been in the sun all day, likely drinking at the concert, casino, etc and may not have been very used to drinking. Does anyone have a link or source for the bartender statement?

I read this also and that they were partying all day long, but evn if she died af alchol poisoning, it doesn't make sense to cover it up.

  Even if this so called bartender served Natalee 4-5 vodka drinks, that doesn't mean she actually drank them. She may have set them down and taken her attention off the drink and was afraid to drink it, so she would get another one.....just a thought!

[Teo]

prettywoman wrote:

heard mama sloot has been arrested also...can anyone confirm or deny?

If that is true, then I really think that the LE over there are all on X......

no shit Hannie....someone translate aruba dag / 95 please??

As far as I listnen to Top 95 I did NOT hear of Jorans mother being detained.

So I think it is just a false rumour..of course I will be monitoring TOP 95 FM accesable at www.arubadag.com

[Scott]

KackyLacky wrote:

After seeing AVDS in the interview where she says " This is not about Natalee anymore" etc. Any sympathy I had for her dissipated. Based on the fact, she apparently has no sympathy for Natalee's family, no matter the outcome. Also when she said, they (meaning Aruban LE, IMO) are looking for a victim, and they have found one" meaning her son and husband. She is clueless

I think she means that with all the mediahype and pressure and now also after her son was arrested also her husband arrest she said that! B/C it`s getting very weird now. They pick up and arrest people if it is normal, so I can understand what she`s saying. And english is not her native language so maybe a lot of people misunderstand how words are meant!!

I take the comment as a cold, calloused way of saying, 'It's tragic that Natalee's dead, but she's gone, and nothing can bring her back...so what good does it do to ruin MY family?'

[wwizard]

I wonder when the arrests of the dog come..... Maybe one of the dogs name is Kato?........

           

[sandy]

No, because we've established from MB kids that Joran was gambling at their casino on Saturday night. I think Ma, Pa and the 2 youngest went to Holland and left Joran at home alone.[/quote]

That would make sense both parents not home the guy is all alone time to study and party.  I think probably he did not go since it was Exam Weeks...makes sense kindof.[/quote]

Didn't the younger kids have exams to write?

[Mom in Ark]

the timeline does not support the theory that the 3 boys drugged natalee.  she could have already been drugged or she was just reacting to too much alcohol she was not used too.  probably real cheap hi test rotgut.  jug?

iquitos- You sound very biased towards the South, We don't drink rot gut whiskey out of jugs thankyou. I find most of your post extremely hateful towards Southerners in general. Why is that???

I bet most drinks at C&C's were made out of the cheapest stuff around...[/quote

i was referring  to the quality of the liquor being served to gullible kids at carlos and charlie's not to home distilled liquor.  nevertheless, i have no doubt that jug and jar twitty's nicknames have something to do with some kind of alcoholoic drink, probably home made.  who mentioned southerners?

I here ya!!

  OFF TOPIC

I had an Uncle whose nick name was 'Windy' and it was not a coincidence.

[SunnyinTX]

afternoon monkeys!!! Anyone know when eqquesearch will actually start their search, and when we will know something? Will thay announce it when they do actually begin searching? This is when i think things will get really good...God I hope they can help...

They are working now.  No, they don't announce where the searches will be happening.

Oh, here's an update right now:

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MORE TX EQUUSEARCH NOTES

Local TV just had a video update from Tim Miller in Aruba.  He said he has been meeting with high-level officials, including the prime minister, since he has been in Aruba.  He said, "in fact, you'll be surprised who I've talked to about Natalee."

Correction to number of TES team flying down there today--it is 17 going today, for a total of 20 on the ground in Aruba after they arrive.  Additional dog details--one is from FL and one is from NM.  (I know search dogs have their fans and supporters, so somebody here probably knows which dogs those are.)

As far as the "celebrity volunteers" who will be going to Aruba to bring attention to Natalee's plight, no names were released again and the local reporter was unable to confirm any of the rumors she had heard about who it would be.

Whichever NBA and NFL stars participate, they will be leaving Houston "sometime this weekend."
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TXEquusearch also needs donations to fund the costs down there .....he tanked Continental Airlines for the air...and several hotels are comping accomodations...but they need $$$'s too....

Thanks

[sandy]

I wonder when the arrests of the dog come..... Maybe one of the dogs name is Kato?........

If so he will have a job at Top 95 next week