RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning

[bogey_blusey_chaston]

I wonder when the arrests of the dog come..... Maybe one of the dogs name is Kato?........

Now now..

I dont know about the dog, but they sure need to arrest that loud monkey in the neighbors yard in the cage.   He surely would know something, since he has been left alone for two weeks while his owners are on holiday. (See Greta on wire for the monkey story.)

[prettywoman]

mole, good point.

[CancunMole]

remember Anita said last night she was in holland for a family gathering, guess they were all there?  was joran too?  looks like they might all have been a tad discombobulated from the time differences.  it is a pretty long flight from the western carribbean to Amsterdam and back.  possibly even partially explains night wandering.

No, because we've established from MB kids that Joran was gambling at their casino on Saturday night. I think Ma, Pa and the 2 youngest went to Holland and left Joran at home alone.

There has been contradiction on this issue. If I remember correctly, the 2 best freinds who were interviewed, Frances Bird (roomie) and Ruth McVay sia NH met him that Sun. The kid Ed who was interviewed 1st with Dash, said he'd seen J around with them at the HI. Right?

[Teo]

joran a nice boy????  right!!!!  Is it nice to drug girls and have sex with them?  He is a jerk and I wish I could spend some time with him alone.  All of his bragging about his conquests to his friends.  The girls that met him from MB said he was obnoxious.

Seems to me you have more facts than the police of Aruba CNN and Fox news al combined together...

woooooow

[cancon]

joran a nice boy????  right!!!!  Is it nice to drug girls and have sex with them?  He is a jerk and I wish I could spend some time with him alone.  All of his bragging about his conquests to his friends.  The girls that met him from MB said he was obnoxious.

don't know about date rape drugs but why would one want sex with someone thats passed out?? strange

interesting question but rape isn't about sex, it is about power

why are there necrophiliacs

who would want to have sex with a 5 month old baby but it happens

[KackyLacky]

I have wondered about the two younger children all along.  Where are they.

Lorenzo is babysitting

is LaRissa helping, she seems to be everywhere doing everything and knowing almost everyone.  

[SunnyinTX]

mmm so paul may have gone back to pick up Joran again at 3.  that would shorten the time natalee and joran were together and limit whatever incident occured between them.  would seem to corroborate the she fell asleep and i left story.  i would say they left c and c at 1:30, did the lighthouse run maybe half hour, 45 minutes, and, hey, its already 2:15 when Joran and Natalee head for the beach area from the dropoff.  then joran calls his dad who is at mcdonald's by three probably needs 15-20 minutes to get there so joran calls him at 2:30- 2:45.  not much time for joran to kill natalee.  was paulus folowing him?  what did paulusdo next?  I think the mb rumor post was from somebody named Twitty.  i think it is bogus.  but it is intriguing.

Remember, the Kalpoe's mother said both boys were home by 2 am. Which means if they leave CnCs at 1:30 am, they don't have time to do a lighthouse run. They only have time to drop off Nat and Joran SOMEWHERE (either VDS home or Marriott beach??) and go home.

I don't think the lighthouse was part of the scenario at all. There just wouldn't be time, IF the kalpoe's mother is telling the truth.

I thought she said she couldn't sleep until they got home...but did fall asleep about 1:30 and when she awoke at about #AM she checked and their doors were locked so she KNEW they were home?? Didn't say she saw them. Gosh I hope I didn't dream that.  Do your kids lock their doors?

[friend of monkeys]

I have wondered about the two younger children all along.  Where are they.

Lorenzo is babysitting

is LaRissa helping, she seems to be everywhere doing everything and knowing almost everyone.  

That is the mother/now a widow??

[KackyLacky]

joran a nice boy????  right!!!!  Is it nice to drug girls and have sex with them?  He is a jerk and I wish I could spend some time with him alone.  All of his bragging about his conquests to his friends.  The girls that met him from MB said he was obnoxious.

don't know about date rape drugs but why would one want sex with someone thats passed out?? strange

ask Luster, ask Haidl and his friends. I don't get it, it is all about power and seeing women as objects not people, I think

[Arlee]

the timeline does not support the theory that the 3 boys drugged natalee.  she could have already been drugged or she was just reacting to too much alcohol she was not used too.  probably real cheap hi test rotgut.  jug?

iquitos- You sound very biased towards the South, We don't drink rot gut whiskey out of jugs thankyou. I find most of your post extremely hateful towards Southerners in general. Why is that???

I bet most drinks at C&C's were made out of the cheapest stuff around...[/quote

i was referring  to the quality of the liquor being served to gullible kids at carlos and charlie's not to home distilled liquor.  nevertheless, i have no doubt that jug and jar twitty's nicknames have something to do with some kind of alcoholoic drink, probably home made.  who mentioned southerners?

I here ya!!

I'm confused over who's quoting what.  But as an aside -- why would you assume the nicknames "have something to do with some kind of alcoholic drink, probably home made?"  That's quite a stretch.  Jug and Jar are twins, have had these nicknames probably since childhood.  Likely refers to the saying that two people or things "are as alike as a jug and a jar."  Like we often also refer to twins as "cookie cutters."  

I haven't seen specific mention of Southerners, but I'm also way behind on the posts.  Suspecting bias in your statement (as the Twitty's are indeed Southern) is still less of a stretch than assuming those names have to do with some sort of moonshine.

All the same I agree the names are unfortunate.  

[writenow]

just caught up and about to have to work but ...

I find the Riehl world bit really off - he presents this hyper statement and then frames it in words about how we shouldn't believe stuff like this until proven ... pfft!

question - I saw last night that there was a mention that the bartender at CnCs said he served Natalee 4-5 vodka drinks and her friends said they got there around 11 - that's a lot for a small woman, esp if she'd been in the sun all day, likely drinking at the concert, casino, etc and may not have been very used to drinking. Does anyone have a link or source for the bartender statement?

I read this also and that they were partying all day long, but evn if she died af alchol poisoning, it doesn't make sense to cover it up.

  Even if this so called bartender served Natalee 4-5 vodka drinks, that doesn't mean she actually drank them. She may have set them down and taken her attention off the drink and was afraid to drink it, so she would get another one.....just a thought!

Or if she was going up to the bar to get the drinks, they may not have been all hers. Could have been she was standing up (maybe just finished dancing) and offered to get a friend who was sitting down a drink. I think everybody's done that.

[harleymom]

I thought she said she couldn't sleep until they got home...but did fall asleep about 1:30 and when she awoke at about #AM she checked and their doors were locked so she KNEW they were home?? Didn't say she saw them. Gosh I hope I didn't dream that.  Do your kids lock their doors? [/quote]

Our house has late arriving sons, last one in locks the door. It makes sense to me.

[jlspence]

I read this also and that they were partying all day long, but evn if she died af alchol poisoning, it doesn't make sense to cover it up.

Exactly!  There's a lot of discussion about details prior to the three young men and Natalee leaving Carlos N Charlies but does that really matter?

I've heard that they left sometime between 1 am and 1:30 am.  The Kalpoe's mother says the boys were home by 2 am.  I also heard her say that Natalee did want to go to the lighthouse and that Deepak was concerned about whether his car would make it.  I got the impression that she was talking about his tricked out car being too low to the ground and perhaps getting stuck or hung up on something.  It seems to me that they did go to the lighthouse...never got out of the car...and then the two brothers dropped off NH and JVDS near the Mariott on the beach.  That would have been around 1:45 am in order for the Kalpoe's to be back home by 2 am.  All three young men now agree this is what happened.

Now it seems to me that in all likelihood Natalee died on the beach.  If it were accidental...alcohol poisoning, drug OD, choking on vomit, etc., AND JVDS was a witness to her death, he has only one reason to cover it up.  So that leaves me with three possible scenarios:

1) JVDS DID leave NH on the beach as he now says and someone else kidnapped her and she could be dead or alive; or

2) NH died accidently on the beach (alcohol, drugs, combination);
 
3) JVDS killed her, either accidently (fell & head hit a rock) or on purpose (raped, strangled).

In the case of 2 or 3, JVDS panicked - either alone or with help (Steve Croes?) he either takes NH body back to his house or he hides the body elsewhere.  PVDS is told by JVDS or somehow finds out what has happened.  Rather than call the police, PVDS decides to try to cover everything up.  Personally, I believe she died accidently and JVDS panicked.  I believe PVDS helped his son try to cover things up and THAT is why JVDS hasn't cracked.  He doesn't want his father to be ruined.

[wwizard]

joran a nice boy????  right!!!!  Is it nice to drug girls and have sex with them?  He is a jerk and I wish I could spend some time with him alone.  All of his bragging about his conquests to his friends.  The girls that met him from MB said he was obnoxious.

don't know about date rape drugs but why would one want sex with someone thats passed out?? strange

interesting question but rape isn't about sex, it is about power

why are there necrophiliacs

who would want to have sex with a 5 month old baby but it happens

Understand.........why bragg about something that anybody could do......with drugs

[KackyLacky]

I have wondered about the two younger children all along.  Where are they.

Lorenzo is babysitting

 changed until name confirmed

That is the mother/now a widow??

Not important, I don't want to hurt an innocent person

[Catriana]

please move discussion to RBN # 22

Thank you!