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« Reply #140 on: June 24, 2005, 01:45:29 AM »

With the interview with Larry King Live, the spokes person for attourney general in aruba, it seems the word for PVDS arrest is....REASONABLE SUSPICION OF PRE-MEDITATED MURDER,(the same as the other 4 arrested)...like Red has noted on the main page.

Interesting, very interesting.
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« Reply #141 on: June 24, 2005, 01:46:30 AM »

I apologize if this is off topic, but did any of you see the segment on Nancy Grace tonight where they talked about the released transcript of Couey's confession in the Jessica Lunsford case?
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« Reply #142 on: June 24, 2005, 01:47:48 AM »

http://home.planet.nl/~swart825/Heredis/heredis/22-10-2004.ged

This is the only link I could find that turned up a René van Heyningen.  Unfortunately it is in Dutch, and I only read English and Spanish, tho my Papiwhatever is getting better.
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« Reply #143 on: June 24, 2005, 01:48:53 AM »

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With the interview with Larry King Live, the spokes person for attourney general in aruba, it seems the word for PVDS arrest is....REASONABLE SUSPICION OF PRE-MEDITATED MURDER,(the same as the other 4 arrested)...like Red has noted on the main page.

Interesting, very interesting.


Hmmm. Could be that they have reasonable suspicion of premeditated murder, manslaughter, or the equivalent thereof, kidnapping, etc. As I recall, they seem to group the possibilities together when they make arrests. Not sure it means they necessarily think that it was a premeditated murder. Or am I wrong this time?
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« Reply #144 on: June 24, 2005, 01:48:57 AM »

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partial decapatated man found in cemetary...Rene Van Heyningenm - 29 years old


Every single media article about this death spelled the man's name very differently - Hannikin, Hanegem, Hannegem, Heynigen, many more.

None of those appear in the Aruba white pages, but this name does (several people by this name), and this spelling was never reported!  Go figure!

Heijningen
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« Reply #145 on: June 24, 2005, 01:49:07 AM »

Sooo out of no where..mainly because I was looking on the ISA site for names...

Sad, Joran was honor roll as well his brother. How could they be avid partiers and keep those grades?

Random thought.. sorry, just makes me wonder how this all got to this point.
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« Reply #146 on: June 24, 2005, 01:49:14 AM »

Well, the only way it could be pre-meditated is what??????  What would be the scenario that would make it pre-meditated??????
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« Reply #147 on: June 24, 2005, 01:50:18 AM »

Wake me up when it is over.

I find the whole picture ugly and getting uglier.

First American teens are sent to an island where the prime reason for going is gambling, booze and the ready availability of drugs and prostitutes, oh yes and a nice beach and reasonable rooms are thrown in to cover the primary motive.

Then Natalee, who is not prepared to be on her own, having been under the thumb of a domineering mother for 18 years, is suddenly set free and makes some really bad decisions.

Then Joran who has had too little direction in life and may have serious problems with controlling his own behavior crosses paths with easy prey, and who knows what happened.

Throw in an incompetent Aruban beauracy and a legal system straight out of the dark ages, not to mention a predatory US press pressuring for quick results, and you have this circus that we all watch, somewhat like the great Roman circuses, complete with Christians and lions.  

And this is our entertainment, we voyuers of violence and depravity. What will be the next big mess that fixates us?
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« Reply #148 on: June 24, 2005, 01:50:31 AM »

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Renee Van Hannikan


Also listed as RENEE VAN HANEGEM
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« Reply #149 on: June 24, 2005, 01:50:37 AM »

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Hi 6 prs....(sorry, I am more of a football fan) Smile

Waiting, yes I did get your PM but I have been on the road all day. Give me awhile (or maybe Cali has something?)
Thanks Kerin.

Cali, do you happen to have a link to Max Arends?
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« Reply #150 on: June 24, 2005, 01:50:48 AM »

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Sooo out of no where..mainly because I was looking on the ISA site for names...

Sad, Joran was honor roll as well his brother. How could they be avid partiers and keep those grades?

Random thought.. sorry, just makes me wonder how this all got to this point.

Mom's a teach at ISA?  Sorry, couldn't resist a low blow  Razz
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« Reply #151 on: June 24, 2005, 01:50:59 AM »

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I've been researching the mystery Lorenzo, but there doesn't even seem to be consensus on the correct last name.


What other last name besides "van Rijn" has there been mentioned?  Sheesh, that's the one I've been operating with--not that I'm having much more luck, but I wrote all that many, many posts ago.


It was corrected by one of the posters from Aruba to be "van gijn."  But nobody confirmed.
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« Reply #152 on: June 24, 2005, 01:51:09 AM »

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Well, the only way it could be pre-meditated is what??????  What would be the scenario that would make it pre-meditated??????


I have been wondering the same thing since Red posted this info.
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« Reply #153 on: June 24, 2005, 01:51:11 AM »

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Sooo out of no where..mainly because I was looking on the ISA site for names...

Sad, Joran was honor roll as well his brother. How could they be avid partiers and keep those grades?

Random thought.. sorry, just makes me wonder how this all got to this point.


His mom said that he didn't want to get out of bed in the morning. I guess if you're out in the casinos till 3:00am, yeah it might be hard to wake-up! Laughing
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« Reply #154 on: June 24, 2005, 01:51:21 AM »

no van rijn in aruba phone book
only van gijn is auto rental agency,  no vw dealer by that name, no residence
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« Reply #155 on: June 24, 2005, 01:51:25 AM »

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Ocicat -- thanks, that was the one show I had not tried for the video.

I did watch it. I am baffled.

I think Beth Twitty looks abosolutely exhausted and at her wit's end. I did not hear her say that she had any facts to back up her claim that Natalee was kidnapped -- I heard her say often that she 'felt', 'knew', had 'intuition' but nothing that makes me believe she has real information.

Just my take on things - I hope I am misinterpreting, but to me she just looked like a desperate mother grasping at straws. (I really, really hope I'm wrong.)


Now, I don't want to piss anyone off, but I haven't seen that woman break since the get go...how can she be strong??? This is what I can't believe! Is it her religious faith that has kept her strong???

I am not a religious person so I can't understand her strength in all of this. She has held up tremendously ever since she arrived on Aruba. Someone help me understand this behaviour by Mrs. Hollaway/Twitty.

I watched her on CNN tonight, with a cameraman in the back of her car...she is driving around the island!!! She dropped a person off/or picked someone up at the airport there. Answered her cell phone, told her TUG, I love you...and all the while she seemed just too much together.

I'm not running her down, but I guess I don't understand the strength and courage she is showing in all of this....

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It's the first time she has looked exhausted..and she even said it was the first morning she wasn't sure if she could get out of bed. BUT, she's usually so articulate and and reliable in her comments...that's what made the kidnapping comments so shocking.  She very clearly states the "others" who she suspects will be arrested are also the same people who are keeping her on the island.

One thing I thought of is she's so firm on her belief Natalee's alive, she may have been trapped after she used the word kidnapping...meaning the three took Natalee...so where do you go from there?  If she thinks she's alive and also been taken by several, you gotta go the extra step of saying these people have her on the island alive.

Really don't know...it was a very different Beth Twitty interview IMO.


I didn't watch that interview Nancy, was looking for it and somebody provided a link to it on Fox but I still couldn't find it. I would have liked to watch that. Perhaps this is why she is holding up so well, she knows something we do not. If she thinks Natalee is alive, she may have good reason to believe, that from her sources within this investigation, they have told her they believe she is alive and being held captive somewhere.


I think I posted the link for you, or someone.

Go to the link and look at the top right...there's a heading that says something like "FREE FOX VIDEOS"  below it is a picture of Beth and a link to the video.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160486,00.html

You won't see the box unless your screen is open all the way. I just noticed my bookmarks are open now and I had to scroll to the right to see the box.


Sorry Nancy, still not finding it on that page. At the top right of that page is offered "videos" I clicked on that but not interview with beth there. Who was interviewing her?
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« Reply #156 on: June 24, 2005, 01:52:10 AM »

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Hi 6 prs....(sorry, I am more of a football fan) Smile

Waiting, yes I did get your PM but I have been on the road all day. Give me awhile (or maybe Cali has something?)
Thanks Kerin.

Cali, do you happen to have a link to Max Arends?


http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=PZBg5CRvFQPGDGKF
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« Reply #157 on: June 24, 2005, 01:53:06 AM »

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Sooo out of no where..mainly because I was looking on the ISA site for names...

Sad, Joran was honor roll as well his brother. How could they be avid partiers and keep those grades?

Random thought.. sorry, just makes me wonder how this all got to this point.


His mom said that he didn't want to get out of bed in the morning. I guess if you're out in the casinos till 3:00am, yeah it might be hard to wake-up! Laughing

Yeah but honor roll??? lol
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« Reply #158 on: June 24, 2005, 01:53:08 AM »

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Wake me up when it is over.

I find the whole picture ugly and getting uglier.

First American teens are sent to an island where the prime reason for going is gambling, booze and the ready availability of drugs and prostitutes, oh yes and a nice beach and reasonable rooms are thrown in to cover the primary motive.

Then Natalee, who is not prepared to be on her own, having been under the thumb of a domineering mother for 18 years, is suddenly set free and makes some really bad decisions.

Then Joran who has had too little direction in life and may have serious problems with controlling his own behavior crosses paths with easy prey, and who knows what happened.

Throw in an incompetent Aruban beauracy and a legal system straight out of the dark ages, not to mention a predatory US press pressuring for quick results, and you have this circus that we all watch, somewhat like the great Roman circuses, complete with Christians and lions.  

And this is our entertainment, we voyuers of violence and depravity. What will be the next big mess that fixates us?


prostitutes?

domineering mother?

voyeurs of violence and depravity?

Ok, Neil. We'll wake you up when it's over. Bye!
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« Reply #159 on: June 24, 2005, 01:53:37 AM »

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With the interview with Larry King Live, the spokes person for attourney general in aruba, it seems the word for PVDS arrest is....REASONABLE SUSPICION OF PRE-MEDITATED MURDER,(the same as the other 4 arrested)...like Red has noted on the main page.

Interesting, very interesting.


Makes no sense at all. Where are the witnesses? Where is the physical evidence. The Aruban system is completely ridiculous.
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