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« Reply #280 on: June 24, 2005, 03:31:32 AM »

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Thanks for the clarification, Iquitos and GetaGrip

Gee, I pride myself on reading faces.  I've hitchhiked (successfully) and been in a variety of situations but I didn't see that darkness in the male Van Der Sloot's faces.

Not saying what happened, or what didn't happen, just different impressions.
as far as i am concered you din't see it becasue it is not there.  meester van der sloot is an oficious bureaucrat LE guy.  the kid seems like maybe too serious with a fertile imagination. he is not bad either as i read him  maybe awkward, dignified, distant, uncomfortable like his dad around strangers.  natalee is described by her dad as th opposite outgoing, gregarious, wants to meet new people,determined, intelligent and probably mature for her age she looks centered and laid back to me.


I look sweet and innocent and ummm....
no comment! lmao
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« Reply #281 on: June 24, 2005, 03:31:33 AM »

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Did the "C. Necktie" incident really not happen on the island???????????
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No, it really did happen on the island.  It was reported in the paper, and gave the man's name, although I can't remember what it was, only that it was dutch.

:::running through the door:::::

His name was Renee... I can't remember the last name but it was Dutch


RENEE VAN HANEGEM, his wife works nights at one of the hotels in Aruba.



Have we eliminated the possibility that the wife of this man was the one who reported seeing 2 men dragging a hysterical woman away at the north end of the beach that late Sunday night...

Or is this just another "Unrelated" incident... hmmmm
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« Reply #282 on: June 24, 2005, 03:32:46 AM »

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What I don't get, is it was said by Natalee's friend's she introduced herself to Joran. So it's not like he persued her, stalked her, plotted something etc.

I find that odd.


You're right Cali, it seems to me this was just an innocent meeting between the 2 of them. This is what I can't get my head around, as far as pre-meditated. If anything, from what I can see here, she was the one to come onto Joran with conversation. Wasn't like he was seeking her out or anything.


More that that, she insisted on buying him a drink at the bar. When he won some money for her.

I am starting to think the only that makes sense.. is a change machine  Laughing

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier!


With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.
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« Reply #283 on: June 24, 2005, 03:32:54 AM »

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Well Lorenzo supossedly owned a speed boat.. they searched boats

Here the news article (not in english but has pictures of them searching)

http://img75.echo.cx/img75/5898/200506141120335bi.jpg


Hey Cali, you sweet thang!  ANd jes who is Lorenzo?  Please!


I have been asking the same thing and no one will answer

"kintento kontesta mi pregunda"
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« Reply #284 on: June 24, 2005, 03:33:32 AM »

I have a question Mike:

Seems like we're getting conflicting reports on when Joran and Natalee actually met. Or when Joran might've met any of the kids on the trip.

If, as is being said most recently, J and N first met earlier on the day of her disappearance, when did the shoving match happen?

Mike, or anybody else who can clear this up?
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« Reply #285 on: June 24, 2005, 03:34:28 AM »

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What I don't get, is it was said by Natalee's friend's she introduced herself to Joran. So it's not like he persued her, stalked her, plotted something etc.

I find that odd.


You're right Cali, it seems to me this was just an innocent meeting between the 2 of them. This is what I can't get my head around, as far as pre-meditated. If anything, from what I can see here, she was the one to come onto Joran with conversation. Wasn't like he was seeking her out or anything.


More that that, she insisted on buying him a drink at the bar. When he won some money for her.

I am starting to think the only that makes sense.. is a change machine  Laughing

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier!


With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.


A MB student from the trip went on the record to confirm it.
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« Reply #286 on: June 24, 2005, 03:35:42 AM »

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What I don't get, is it was said by Natalee's friend's she introduced herself to Joran. So it's not like he persued her, stalked her, plotted something etc.

I find that odd.


You're right Cali, it seems to me this was just an innocent meeting between the 2 of them. This is what I can't get my head around, as far as pre-meditated. If anything, from what I can see here, she was the one to come onto Joran with conversation. Wasn't like he was seeking her out or anything.


More that that, she insisted on buying him a drink at the bar. When he won some money for her.

I am starting to think the only that makes sense.. is a change machine  Laughing

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier!


With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.


A MB student from the trip went on the record to confirm it.


When was it supposed to have happened, CaliGirl?

Can't believe you turned down a date tonight to come on here, by the way! Must've not been a very good prospect. Sad
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« Reply #287 on: June 24, 2005, 03:36:21 AM »

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Well Lorenzo supossedly owned a speed boat.. they searched boats

Here the news article (not in english but has pictures of them searching)

http://img75.echo.cx/img75/5898/200506141120335bi.jpg


Hey Cali, you sweet thang!  ANd jes who is Lorenzo?  Please!


I have been asking the same thing and no one will answer

"kintento kontesta mi pregunda"
Mike and slt..

Lorenzo is a boy questioned twice but not arrested (YET) he reported owns a speed boat and has a basement
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« Reply #288 on: June 24, 2005, 03:36:50 AM »

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I have a question Mike:

Seems like we're getting conflicting reports on when Joran and Natalee actually met. Or when Joran might've met any of the kids on the trip.

If, as is being said most recently, J and N first met earlier on the day of her disappearance, when did the shoving match happen?

Mike, or anybody else who can clear this up?


As far as I've read Juvenal, Joran and Natalee met at the casino in the HI that day, prior to hooking up at CnC that evening.

The shoving match hasn't been confirmed by any of her friends or classmates as far as i have read.
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« Reply #289 on: June 24, 2005, 03:39:39 AM »

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What I don't get, is it was said by Natalee's friend's she introduced herself to Joran. So it's not like he persued her, stalked her, plotted something etc.

I find that odd.


You're right Cali, it seems to me this was just an innocent meeting between the 2 of them. This is what I can't get my head around, as far as pre-meditated. If anything, from what I can see here, she was the one to come onto Joran with conversation. Wasn't like he was seeking her out or anything.


More that that, she insisted on buying him a drink at the bar. When he won some money for her.

I am starting to think the only that makes sense.. is a change machine  Laughing

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier!


With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.


A MB student from the trip went on the record to confirm it.


When was it supposed to have happened, CaliGirl?

Can't believe you turned down a date tonight to come on here, by the way! Must've not been a very good prospect. Sad


A scuffle with words exchanged no one went into great details over what.. probably who's hair looked better with gel! lol WHo knows with kids these days...
lol Yeah the date was a "friend" who I am not thinking of kindly.. posting is more important! lol
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« Reply #290 on: June 24, 2005, 03:40:06 AM »

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Okay.... must bring this up

Why the hell would police takes CD's and mp3 players in a search?

 Surprised  Surprised  Surprised  Rolling Eyes


the cds might be data.  Burned CDs.  Even the porno cd he made.
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« Reply #291 on: June 24, 2005, 03:41:00 AM »

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What I don't get, is it was said by Natalee's friend's she introduced herself to Joran. So it's not like he persued her, stalked her, plotted something etc.

I find that odd.


You're right Cali, it seems to me this was just an innocent meeting between the 2 of them. This is what I can't get my head around, as far as pre-meditated. If anything, from what I can see here, she was the one to come onto Joran with conversation. Wasn't like he was seeking her out or anything.


More that that, she insisted on buying him a drink at the bar. When he won some money for her.

I am starting to think the only that makes sense.. is a change machine  Laughing

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier!


With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.


A MB student from the trip went on the record to confirm it.


What confirmation did they have to say about it. This puzzles me, all this heresay of that, and perhaps it did happen yet nobody has given any account of it.

If there is a thread cali, can you provide it, and if so, was it from one of the students who, in fact witnessed it?
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« Reply #292 on: June 24, 2005, 03:41:52 AM »

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If Joran and Natalee had contact with each other before her arrival in Aruba could that be part of the "premeditated" charges?


No. The 'premeditated' only concerns the actual act of murder.

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« Reply #293 on: June 24, 2005, 03:42:12 AM »

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What can you tell me about this Lorenzo... so I can do some research on him. All I know is that he suppose to a son to Paulus Van Der Sloot.


He's allegedly 26-27 years old.  IF the vdSloot part of his story is true, which I still doubt highly, he would most likely have been born in Holland, possibly Arnehm, where Paulus lived when he was married to Anita and they had Joran.

(I don't know that Arnehm is Paulus's hometown, but it's a known place to start.)  We've heard that Paul was a school teacher before he got into government service in Aruba 10 years ago and did whatever legal training he is supposed to have, whether he has a law degree or not.  

Paulus's job in Aruba for the past few years has been as one of the department of Liaison between The Netherlands and Aruba--and I believe, others of the Dutch Antilles.  That is KABNAA and he was appointed to a 3-year term ending in Jan 2006, except that he evidently has been let go since all this started.

So, who is Lorenzo's mother?  Could it be the Deborah vRijn in Oranjestad, perhaps a widow, or is that just too easy?

Lorenzo's "father" on Aruba is said to have been the Volkswagen dealer on the island and he committed suicide three years ago.  The VW dealership that is there now is:

R & S Automotive N.V.
Address: Barcadera 4
Phone: (297) 585-3004 / (297) 585-3008
Fax: (297) 585-9115  

Note that it's on Barcadera, not sure exactly where that address is, but one of the very earliest searches for Natalee was in the Barcadera area.  I suppose someone could call them and ask questions about the former (late) owner.  He was said to be well known, obviously, since he was a car dealer who needed to have his company name out in the public.

Lorenzo is said to have two homes on far opposite sides of the island--one a mansion and one brightly painted (may be the same one).  Other vague details are that he has a basement in one of these houses, which is rare on Aruba (if not non-existent, IMO); that he gives "underground" parties, meaning *raves*, which are unruly and unsupervised;  that he is "crazy" himself, or perhaps "touched in the head" since his father's death; that he owns a speedboat; and that he was called in for questioning in Nat's disappearance, just before SG Croes was, but he was not detained.
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« Reply #294 on: June 24, 2005, 03:42:31 AM »

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Please someone tell me about this Lorenzo so that I can do some research on him. Do you have his last name - what infor do you have on him?

Sorrym stlnative, was distracted by other things - meant to answer earlier.

Lorenzo Van Rijn or Van Geijn or Van Gijn

Rumoured to be PVDS's illegitimate son

Father (I would assume the step father) was owner of a Volkswagen dealership, committed suicide a few years ago

Since then, Lorenzo is rumoured to be doing all sorts of crazy stuff, underground parties, sex videos, etc.

I'm trying to recall other details, but if you want additional rumours, do a forum search for Lorenzo to get a complete picture.

I don't think anything has been confirmed though, other than he being brought in for questioning a few days ago.
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« Reply #295 on: June 24, 2005, 03:42:35 AM »

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Okay.... must bring this up

Why the hell would police takes CD's and mp3 players in a search?

 Surprised  Surprised  Surprised  Rolling Eyes


the cds might be data.  Burned CDs.  Even the porno cd he made.

The moms stated they were music lol I just found it odd but everything is odd!!

Which leads me to my next weirdness outbreak...

::ducking:: I am curious about the report of Jug taking out insurance (not saying he is involved BTW). I am curious because there a several articles about kidnapping people and companies now offer kidnapping insurance... did anyone know that? I had never heard of such an insurance!
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« Reply #296 on: June 24, 2005, 03:43:19 AM »

I just found the strangest thing while searching....

There is a stephen lorenzo van Heyningen (same last name as the partial decapitated man, Rene Van Heyningen)

could it be??? Shocked
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« Reply #297 on: June 24, 2005, 03:44:18 AM »

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What I don't get, is it was said by Natalee's friend's she introduced herself to Joran. So it's not like he persued her, stalked her, plotted something etc.

I find that odd.


You're right Cali, it seems to me this was just an innocent meeting between the 2 of them. This is what I can't get my head around, as far as pre-meditated. If anything, from what I can see here, she was the one to come onto Joran with conversation. Wasn't like he was seeking her out or anything.


More that that, she insisted on buying him a drink at the bar. When he won some money for her.

I am starting to think the only that makes sense.. is a change machine  Laughing

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier!


With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.


A MB student from the trip went on the record to confirm it.


When was it supposed to have happened, CaliGirl?

Can't believe you turned down a date tonight to come on here, by the way! Must've not been a very good prospect. Sad


A scuffle with words exchanged no one went into great details over what.. probably who's hair looked better with gel! lol WHo knows with kids these days...
lol Yeah the date was a "friend" who I am not thinking of kindly.. posting is more important! lol


But when was it supposed to have happened?
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« Reply #298 on: June 24, 2005, 03:45:01 AM »

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Thanks for the clarification, Iquitos and GetaGrip

Gee, I pride myself on reading faces.  I've hitchhiked (successfully) and been in a variety of situations but I didn't see that darkness in the male Van Der Sloot's faces.

Not saying what happened, or what didn't happen, just different impressions.
as far as i am concered you din't see it becasue it is not there.  meester van der sloot is an oficious bureaucrat LE guy.  the kid seems like maybe too serious with a fertile imagination. he is not bad either as i read him  maybe awkward, dignified, distant, uncomfortable like his dad around strangers.  natalee is described by her dad as th opposite outgoing, gregarious, wants to meet new people,determined, intelligent and probably mature for her age she looks centered and laid back to me.
Well, while shes described sorta like that shes also been described as " alittle shy".  I do not buy any of this abput her approaching him, buying him A DRINK ETC,  UNLESS AS HAS BEEN STATED EARLIER, THEY MET PREVIOUS AND WERE NOT STRANGERS THAT NIGHT!  Sorry bout shoutin' it was axident!
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« Reply #299 on: June 24, 2005, 03:45:13 AM »

It wasn't a *shoving match* - not physical - it was just loud words - a *shouting match.*

At least, that's how it started out three weeks ago as being reported, but it kept growing over the course of the case, with each re-telling.
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