RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning

[sb]

Okay.... must bring this up

Why would police takes CD's and mp3 players in a search?

       

Someone else noticed that too, I see. They took all their tapes as well (I assume that would could be both audio and video). Both mothers mentioned that clearly.

That points directly to the possible teenage XXX rated picture/video angle.

On a related note, it was stated that one of the Dutch "experts" that was sent in was a specialist in so-called "children's crimes" (which would mean anyone under 18). They would know the ins and outs of the blog/Tickle/Myspace cyberworld, and know about the XXX angle as well.

I told someone yesterday that the key to understanding this crime is the Internet.

Natalee has fallen into some unspeakable evil that is connected with this scummy low-life cyberworld, or has been taken by drug thugs, or by the Mafia-style underworld.

[CaliGirl]

What I don't get, is it was said by Natalee's friend's she introduced herself to Joran. So it's not like he persued her, stalked her, plotted something etc.

I find that odd.

You're right Cali, it seems to me this was just an innocent meeting between the 2 of them. This is what I can't get my head around, as far as pre-meditated. If anything, from what I can see here, she was the one to come onto Joran with conversation. Wasn't like he was seeking her out or anything.

More that that, she insisted on buying him a drink at the bar. When he won some money for her.

I am starting to think the only that makes sense.. is a change machine  

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier!

With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.

A MB student from the trip went on the record to confirm it.

What confirmation did they have to say about it. This puzzles me, all this heresay of that, and perhaps it did happen yet nobody has given any account of it.

If there is a thread cali, can you provide it, and if so, was it from one of the students who, in fact witnessed it?

Here's one i found really quick http://www.postherald.com/me061005.shtml

[inthepacific]

Okay.... must bring this up

Why the hell would police takes CD's and mp3 players in a search?

       

the cds might be data.  Burned CDs.  Even the porno cd he made.

The moms stated they were music lol I just found it odd but everything is odd!!

Which leads me to my next weirdness outbreak...

::ducking:: I am curious about the report of Jug taking out insurance (not saying he is involved BTW). I am curious because there a several articles about kidnapping people and companies now offer kidnapping insurance... did anyone know that? I had never heard of such an insurance!

In all common sense, I would think that once a person has been missing a certain length of time, the insurance would cover as if the missing person was deceased. But hell, I am just speculating. Who know's what the hell these insurance companys cover anymore, or should i say DON'T COVER?
Edit to add...
I think there has to be a body to for any insurance claim
Not sure if this type of insurance is ligit cali

[lexie]

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good post  aunt twitty said today natalee has been in the family since 7 years.  holloway has a 7 year old by his new wife.  when did they jug/beth divorce?  did natalee stay with mom or dad?  can you imagine laid back patient and considerate holloway married to beth?[/quote]


Do not know how to link, but a good article on early years and both Holloways & Twittys...

www.clintonnews.com
Thursday, June 16, 2005 edition

[CaliGirl]

Okay.... must bring this up

Why the hell would police takes CD's and mp3 players in a search?

       

the cds might be data.  Burned CDs.  Even the porno cd he made.

The moms stated they were music lol I just found it odd but everything is odd!!

Which leads me to my next weirdness outbreak...

::ducking:: I am curious about the report of Jug taking out insurance (not saying he is involved BTW). I am curious because there a several articles about kidnapping people and companies now offer kidnapping insurance... did anyone know that? I had never heard of such an insurance!

In all common sense, I would think that once a person has been missing a certain length of time, the insurance would cover as if the missing person was deceased. But hell, I am just speculating. Who know's what the hell these insurance companys cover anymore, or should i say DON'T COVER?

Yeah but they pay ransoms.. up to 1 million

[Itawamba]

I am curious about the report of Jug taking out insurance (not saying he is involved BTW). I am curious because there a several articles about kidnapping people and companies now offer kidnapping insurance... did anyone know that? I had never heard of such an insurance!

I know a lot about it, more than I can write tonight (er, this morning) - but I will expound about it later.  It's part of what I'm writing in sections, but I'm not there yet.

[TTownMike]

Cali, surely you dont think Nat just met Urine that night and SHE was persuing him?  SHe might have been friendly w'him but only cause she knew him from before!

[CaliGirl]

I am curious about the report of Jug taking out insurance (not saying he is involved BTW). I am curious because there a several articles about kidnapping people and companies now offer kidnapping insurance... did anyone know that? I had never heard of such an insurance!

I know a lot about it, more than I can write tonight (er, this morning) - but I will expound about it later.  It's part of what I'm writing in sections, but I'm not there yet.

Thank you Ida!!

I am really curious about this since I learned they pay ransoms.

[TTownMike]

Thanks for the clarification, Iquitos and GetaGrip

Gee, I pride myself on reading faces.  I've hitchhiked (successfully) and been in a variety of situations but I didn't see that darkness in the male Van Der Sloot's faces.

Not saying what happened, or what didn't happen, just different impressions.

as far as i am concered you din't see it becasue it is not there.  meester van der sloot is an oficious bureaucrat LE guy.  the kid seems like maybe too serious with a fertile imagination. he is not bad either as i read him  maybe awkward, dignified, distant, uncomfortable like his dad around strangers.  natalee is described by her dad as th opposite outgoing, gregarious, wants to meet new people,determined, intelligent and probably mature for her age she looks centered and laid back to me.

I look sweet and innocent and ummm....
no comment! lmao

Well, Cali,  I see your point!

[CaliGirl]

Cali, surely you dont think Nat just met Urine that night and SHE was persuing him?  SHe might have been friendly w'him but only cause she knew him from before!

I believe she met him before that night.

[CaliGirl]

Thanks for the clarification, Iquitos and GetaGrip

Gee, I pride myself on reading faces.  I've hitchhiked (successfully) and been in a variety of situations but I didn't see that darkness in the male Van Der Sloot's faces.

Not saying what happened, or what didn't happen, just different impressions.

as far as i am concered you din't see it becasue it is not there.  meester van der sloot is an oficious bureaucrat LE guy.  the kid seems like maybe too serious with a fertile imagination. he is not bad either as i read him  maybe awkward, dignified, distant, uncomfortable like his dad around strangers.  natalee is described by her dad as th opposite outgoing, gregarious, wants to meet new people,determined, intelligent and probably mature for her age she looks centered and laid back to me.

I look sweet and innocent and ummm....
no comment! lmao

Well, Cali,  I see your point!

ROFLMAO I am living proof that looks are deceiving  

[inthepacific]

Okay.... must bring this up

Why the hell would police takes CD's and mp3 players in a search?

       

the cds might be data.  Burned CDs.  Even the porno cd he made.

The moms stated they were music lol I just found it odd but everything is odd!!

Which leads me to my next weirdness outbreak...

::ducking:: I am curious about the report of Jug taking out insurance (not saying he is involved BTW). I am curious because there a several articles about kidnapping people and companies now offer kidnapping insurance... did anyone know that? I had never heard of such an insurance!

In all common sense, I would think that once a person has been missing a certain length of time, the insurance would cover as if the missing person was deceased. But hell, I am just speculating. Who know's what the hell these insurance companys cover anymore, or should i say DON'T COVER?

Yeah but they pay ransoms.. up to 1 million

so what is your point?
are you getting at a ransom to the parents or a ransom to the kidnapper? lol, where are you going with that cali?

[CaliGirl]

Okay.... must bring this up

Why the hell would police takes CD's and mp3 players in a search?

       

the cds might be data.  Burned CDs.  Even the porno cd he made.

The moms stated they were music lol I just found it odd but everything is odd!!

Which leads me to my next weirdness outbreak...

::ducking:: I am curious about the report of Jug taking out insurance (not saying he is involved BTW). I am curious because there a several articles about kidnapping people and companies now offer kidnapping insurance... did anyone know that? I had never heard of such an insurance!

In all common sense, I would think that once a person has been missing a certain length of time, the insurance would cover as if the missing person was deceased. But hell, I am just speculating. Who know's what the hell these insurance companys cover anymore, or should i say DON'T COVER?

Yeah but they pay ransoms.. up to 1 million

so what is your point?
are you getting at a ransom to the parents or a ransom to the kidnapper? lol, where are you going with that cali?

Ranson to kidnapper! lol Beth has stated tonite she knows her daughter was kidnapped.

[TTownMike]

What I don't get, is it was said by Natalee's friend's she introduced herself to Joran. So it's not like he persued her, stalked her, plotted something etc.

I find that odd.

You're right Cali, it seems to me this was just an innocent meeting between the 2 of them. This is what I can't get my head around, as far as pre-meditated. If anything, from what I can see here, she was the one to come onto Joran with conversation. Wasn't like he was seeking her out or anything.

More that that, she insisted on buying him a drink at the bar. When he won some money for her.

I am starting to think the only that makes sense.. is a change machine  

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier!

With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.

Nope! That would be confirmed!  I saw Nat hs friend who broke it up.  He was interviewed on local tv.  He stated that that was when he got a good look at Urine!  There was shoving match!  A FACT!

[inthepacific]

Yes true Cali,

But I have to say, and ask you this, would you ever take out insurance on your child, teenager ...RANSOM INSURANCE???

It just doesn't make sense.

[inthepacific]

I dont think any of that makes sense!  Have you forgotten about the shovin match?  That was much earlier![/quote][/quote]

With all do respect, that shoving match hasn't been confirmed by anyone...not natalees freinds, nor her parents. That is speculation as far as I am concerned. I haven't read anything solid on that line as of yet. All heresay, as far as I have read.[/quote]Nope! That would be confirmed!  I saw Nat hs friend who broke it up.  He was interviewed on local tv.  He stated that that was when he got a good look at Urine!  There was shoving match!  A FACT![/quote]

well, please do find us a link or subjective testimony to that fact. I haven't read any confirmation on that at all.
Can you provide details of this match? What happened, why it started, etc.

[CaliGirl]

Yes true Cali,

But I have to say, and ask you this, would you ever take out insurance on your child, teenager ...RANSOM INSURANCE???

It just doesn't make sense.

Actually, from what I read it's included. I tried to do some rearch on it because I was sent some additional info when I posted about it.. a lot of big companies offer it. Jug works for a subsidery of a huge company.

It was an article about how "low risk people" overseas are being kidnapped for ransoms and taken to Latin America...

[TTownMike]

I have a question Mike:

Seems like we're getting conflicting reports on when Joran and Natalee actually met. Or when Joran might've met any of the kids on the trip.

If, as is being said most recently, J and N first met earlier on the day of her disappearance, when did the shoving match happen?

Mike, or anybody else who can clear this up?

THER'VE BEEN SEVERAL REPORTS OF HIM BEING AROUND FOR ONE OR TWO DAYS PRIOR AND at the holiday inn.  (SORRY Caps are backards, my bad).  Thers only been one mention of her meeting him 30-40 mins(or whatever) before she disappeared, that being the recent classmate interview.  I just think she's mistaken.  To many say otherwise.  The fight ?  I cant say fer sure.  Dont member!

[Juvenal]

I have a question Mike:

Seems like we're getting conflicting reports on when Joran and Natalee actually met. Or when Joran might've met any of the kids on the trip.

If, as is being said most recently, J and N first met earlier on the day of her disappearance, when did the shoving match happen?

Mike, or anybody else who can clear this up?

THER'VE BEEN SEVERAL REPORTS OF HIM BEING AROUND FOR ONE OR TWO DAYS PRIOR AND at the holiday inn.  (SORRY Caps are backards, my bad).  Thers only been one mention of her meeting him 30-40 mins(or whatever) before she disappeared, that being the recent classmate interview.  I just think she's mistaken.  To many say otherwise.  The fight ?  I cant say fer sure.  Dont member!

Thanks Mike.

[CaliGirl]

Yes true Cali,

But I have to say, and ask you this, would you ever take out insurance on your child, teenager ...RANSOM INSURANCE???

It just doesn't make sense.

But me personally I would never take insurance out on my child because not one penny could replace her nor pay for one damn thing to unbreak my heart.