RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning

[Another K in Texas]

The arubans said that Lorenzo's dad had a VW business so that would be the right one.

[Sobelle]

It was just weird to me how all 3 of those companies tied in with one another.

[wbvious]

Nice work Sobelle...

key words here might be import/export business...

import/export businesses are sometimes just that, but sometimes a lot more is involved ....

the below link was posted a long time ago on the theory & speculation page but it may be of value to all the newcomers and especially with its context here...

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."
                        -Elio Nicolaas, former minister & police officer

[maritzka]

I am a behavioural profiler who has and is tracing five missing persons, and in the past with language codes found the keys in television interviews of persons. These relayed to authorities may have, and were found to be accurate in the persons having these set patterns in conflict to the words stated.

In the case of Joran Van Der Sloot and what has been written. The following is revealed.

Joran Van Der Sloot at an age before 17, made a tape of a 14 year old girl being gang raped on the island with other members of this 'club on the island - that island was Aruba. The circulation is unknown, and not known if free circulation via his internet site, or the site of the internet cafe. Investigative agencies have a copy of those and that edition one would suppose, and the name of the victim.

Joran Van Der Sloot is credited with having anger management therapy. He is quoted by mothers as being a bully. He shows little respect for those lesser than him in size, parental wealth/status and more academic progress. He is not an 'arts' person, but a game player. His adrenalin high is on winning, and competative sports. He has to win, and having the parentage he has he is set to win at any cost. His money for gambling in casino's therefore is from 'where'?

His 'friends' on weblogs say he had sold the film of the gang rape, not given it. This if true is a crime, and one that if the parents knew is a crime he can be charged with as the hardcopy is on the drive of his computer, but more likely the internet cafe computer as parents can 'look down' at email messages on their computer as can police. Erased messages also can be taken by internet security consultants and also photographs.

Joran Van Der Sloot, his age is nearer to 18 as he says he is a LEO. So he will be 18 soon.Most of his male friends seem older than him, and not a racial bias. He has older friends with the same assets and lifestyle. His webpage shows many spelling errors as in ARNHEM, and wonder of his lucidity in making this page. Common words in neurological function of language can be affected by Wernicke-Korsakoffe confabulation, that is half truth/half fiction. Something that is prevalent in most deviants and sadists found who have personality disorders. It is also a condition in severe alcohol ingestion over time, and of course stroke, brain injury persons in the non alcoholic kind.

Joran Van Der Sloot's home page is his identity. The pages of the photos selected as his own cognitive state show how he wants to be seen. The devils horns and bar behind are scenes above his own age of 17 and status those he wishes to impress. These are girls, and he has to impress those older than him, not younger. Therefore in behavioural traits he is being narcissistic, egotistical, AOD and other drugs dependant in some form, and has to be central to all images of him as the 'sensation seeker' in his own mind. I wonder then of the phenomena of 'folie a deux' as in more than one as Master and apprentice, and if one is ellevated past this?

In the homepages in Holland it is said they think he is being framed. Rubbish, serial killers who have been sent the image of Joran with the neckstrap round the puny boys neck will comment if allowed on the mind of the person doing this. But without that reply I am saying that the photograph shows in body language his full frame as covering the photo and his shirt chosen for its association and his neural firing of AOD pupil reaction. The boy in this is acutely victimised shown by the eyes screwed up, palour and side view as sadism is shown, not playful sex bondage. He exhibits strangulation signs. Of all else, Joran shows no gay attributes, this shown is a victim, not a play act. The facial expression and loss of shirt expose the punyness and lack of identity in contrast to Joran's.

This person will and can be a witness, and I would speculate is from a none skilled, low socio economic family where he takes his bullying tendancies and anger pool from.

I would say abandonment rage is a symptom he displays and he has a rage in the home that is known as outbursts. He engages with his dad, and tests him to the limits. His mother is the least aggressive and passive of the whole lot. She is the calmer of the unit. Joran's own statements as to Natalee have been dissociative. He has sought to distance as has his father from the outside media. Natalee's parents on speaking to the father in the early days may as reported have found him to be condescending, arrogant - as stated and above the law. He is however a trainee judge on the island. The judge in the case is an impartial highly qualified judge who is from another island. He is above Joran's father and most people on the island. He will use behavioral assessments, medical records, and all past behaviour to form an opinion on what Joran and the family have as issues on deviant behaviour already exhibited.

Locals are invaluable in message boards as both devils advocate and as insights into the island and of the person in both supporting and non supporting roles to a behavioural profiler.

The issue of the lighthouse as distancing, there is one other near the International School at the extreme south of the Island.

I do not think this was an impromtu event, due to the fight with the lads of Natalees school and the planning element of cognitive minds in three predators shown to be so by locals on the island and his mode of humiliating girls in groups. He is most likely to have taken her in equal matches of power between the two brothers using the safety key of his fathers position. This is a tool for his authority and credibility.

I have to assume to implicate the guards at her hotel he had to have passed in the car and seen this walkie talkie at some time, or that evening to be able to finger these as suspects to allow his release and those of the other two. Hence he, or the two brothers passed that hotel around that time. I would therefore say for the plan to work, if she is dead, she will have been there in some construction area site to make this stick.

In later retractions and distancing she is now said to be in a lighthouse, which one? Why this lead to the extreme North, she is then said to be on a beach, all of which is past her hotel. She is said to be left on that or a beach with Joran. No it does not cognitively fit. They were all together for some period of time, what time we do not know. It is therefore imperative that the findings are in secret from media in order for the search of what looks like her remains to happen, or cloths/DNA. If she is alive, the reward will allow that person to post on messages that will lead to her finding, for she is still on the land on the island. Not in my view off the island, in the sea, and would look inland as behavioural environmental psychology at the familiarity of the suspects and easy access in a car. My professional insights follow this process.

Posted by: Dutchlady | June 21, 2005 05:35 AM

[mojo]

many of the statements upon which Dutch lady bases her profile have not been verified...btw, Arnhem is the correct spelling. the town he lists as his home town is clearly shown in the background of one of his family photos (the one with his little brother, mother and valentijn)

we also know that his mother studied there.

[wbvious]

"Dutchlady" continues to impress!...


has there been any searches of the Allegro Hotel site...specifically areas down low or covered over? basements ? beneath a slag pile? waste holes?

obviously there would have been at least a cursory search following the initial rest of Mickey John and the other guy...but anything more thorough since?

[Sobelle]

Nice work Sobelle...

key words here might be import/export business...

import/export businesses are sometimes just that, but sometimes a lot more is involved ....

the below link was posted a long time ago on the theory & speculation page but it may be of value to all the newcomers and especially with its context here...

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by former ministers, members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets, cosmetics manufacturers and importers of cars and batteries. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another."
                        -Elio Nicolaas, former minister & police officer

Thanks for the interesting link.  Yep, it's kind of scary what is put in those large containers when they are shipped.  That's why I wondered about the import/export company when I saw it listed with the Rijn name.

[air23ac]

call me crazy but don't you think this would be what should have gone through jorans mind?

something bad happens to natalee..........why not just call the cops,ambulance,etc right away.......say we were partying, we just met,etc. at least now you look like someone who did the right thing and maybe his fathers influence helps out there.

but covering up and lying and having many people involved, suggests to me that what he and others did was more than the case of an accident or something that could be excused as an accident.

with this tangled web it seems that what they did must have been so bad and evil that they felt hiding was the only option.....this wasn't a case of experimental drugs/alcohol and stupid teens........it seems more like a case of rape,torture,kidnapping......

all i know is that if i was out partying and i was with some girl on the beach, we were drinking, etc and we went swimming or something and she wound up drowning, i would be calling cops and rescue in 5 minutes..........but if i had raped and drugged her and then she died, i might think i have no escape but a cover up.

[georgiablues]

I am a behavioural profiler .....  

Posted by: Dutchlady | June 21, 2005 05:35 AM

Thanks for that, maritzka.  I've not seen this before.  Quite interesting!

[LemonDrop]

maritzka, VERY interesting insights and I appreciate you taking the time to share all that with us!  I've always had an interest in behavioral science so this case intriques me.  Your analysis is great!

[mojo]

call me crazy but don't you think this would be what should have gone through jorans mind?

something bad happens to natalee..........why not just call the cops,ambulance,etc right away.......say we were partying, we just met,etc. at least now you look like someone who did the right thing and maybe his fathers influence helps out there.

but covering up and lying and having many people involved, suggests to me that what he and others did was more than the case of an accident or something that could be excused as an accident.

with this tangled web it seems that what they did must have been so bad and evil that they felt hiding was the only option.....this wasn't a case of experimental drugs/alcohol and stupid teens........it seems more like a case of rape,torture,kidnapping......

all i know is that if i was out partying and i was with some girl on the beach, we were drinking, etc and we went swimming or something and she wound up drowning, i would be calling cops and rescue in 5
minutes..........but if i had raped and drugged her and then she died, i might think i have no escape but a cover up.

exactly air - but to what degree and who exactly is involved. i still don't buy the kalpoes - we just gave them a lift. friendship is one thing, but that's absurd.

[momto5]

Morning everyone. Just checking in this morning to see if there were any new developments since last night? Does anyone know if they will be bringing JVDS from prison to interrogate more while his father is also being interrogating? Just wondering. Or if the brothers will be, and/or all of them? Since not much can be released I think it would be somewhat telling if they interrogate them together(not same room but same time), or just the father and son.
Thanks in advance for any updates.

[cancon]

well Peeps, here is my two cents for the day and then I have to be good and work, and leave this sad story until Greta at 10:00 pm tonight

I was watching re runs of the Fox coverage late last night and something the editor of Diario said is making me think this story is running in a more heinous direction, I had a "ah ha" moment

Josee said to Alan Colmes that the reason they hauled in Paul is that there are large contradictions between Joran's and Paul's story, he put it, there is something very wrong going on between the father and the son

now add to this the statement by Ms. Croes, our favourite spokesperson that Mr. VDS is a suspect in the disappearance not the cover up

add to this it's been verified that Joran now admits he was alone with Natalee on that beach

which is what the Kalpoe brothers have been saying for quite some time now, add to this you have Joran saying Deepak picked him up then Satish picked him up, come on, surely you can remember which brother picked you up, and if the father is involved it explains why Joran keeps changing his story

add to this some curious things spoken by Beth and Jug - Beth has been reported to have said she suspected Paul even before she met him, now I am assuming she means that night of May 31st and I believe that what happened was that Beth and Jug were at the Holiday Inn Casino getting information, and I believe they viewed or certainly have since viewed the casino videotape and I think Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino the same time as Joran AND Natalee

I think Mrs. VDS's story that her husband was sound asleep after he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00 pm are all lies - she's been told lies by her husband and son

I think Mr. VDS was the one Joran called for help

I think Mr. VDS made up the alibi and either he and/or Joran were somehow able to get the boys on side

don't forget, the Kalpoe boys may have not been told exactly what happened and you tend to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, and given who Joran's dad is, they also may have figured he knows what he is talking about, because I hear they admit they gave Joran cover, they are young, you make stupid judgments at that age

the only thing is I don't know where to fit in Croes per se, I find it interesting that even Jug and Beth are confused as where he fits in and they clearly have more information than we do and they've been on the mark on other areas

I also have to wonder if they have forensic results back that they are not disclosing

now I may just be proven wrong on the brothers, they will be in enough trouble for providing the false alibi

[absolut]

Morning all, just thought I would pop in and say hi, heading to work.

Sounds like it was a semi productive late night in here last night. Great work on the 3 companies info.

[cancon]

just a question for our profiler, very interesting post by the way, did Joran misspell "Arnhem" because Arnhem is the correct spellling of the Dutch city they apparently hail from......I wouldn't put much stock on misspelling on the internet though, that is a matter of typing skill versus spelling, I won awards in spelling as as a child,  I went to law school but my spelling and grammar on the internet is far from stellar

[Gerben aka Pays Bas]

could someone tell me what this website is about?  I wonder if this is the Rene van Heyningen that they found with his throat slit. There is a photograph.   
                http://www.groenetechnieken.nl/pages_agt/proficiat2003.html

Foremen are congratulated for passing a course.

[lookingood]

A question for people who know law - does this ring any bells?

I believe that I have read that, in some places, it could be considered "premeditated" murder if you have a reasonable expectation that your neglect could cause someone to die and, yet, you do nothing.

For example, if you leave the scene of an accident where an injured person is without reporting it and the person dies of an injury as a result of this.

So in our case, Natalee is in a drug-induced coma, both Joran and his father are aware of this, and yet neither get her medical help and she dies.

Could this then be considered "premeditated" murder?

[cancon]

my last note is what would make our profiler think the Kalpoe brothers are predators

if one was watching Fox last night and esp the interviews with the mothers, first of all, the Kalpoe brothers have not been in Aruba that long apparently, according to their mother, if I picked that up right and secondly, Mrs. VDS said that the Kalpoe brothers are not Joran's best friends but mates, which I translate as partying buddies, but then Mrs. VDS may be wrong on a lot of things.......

one thing I left out of my post - one has to wonder what if anything the neighbours of the Van Der Sloots saw or heard that night......

[cancon]

okay, one last amendment to my theory

sounds like Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino on the night of May 29th

of course we know Joran left the Holiday Inn Casino and ended up at C & Cs -

now let's assume the Kalpoe brothers dropped off Joran and Natalee at the beach near the Marriott which now seems to be the story they are all singing now

assume something bad happens and Joran panics

Joran has a cell phone, he knows Dad is gambling just up the road, for all we know Dad moved to the Marriott casino and was even closer by

now if Dad was in either of those casinos he'd been on their videotape wouldn't he

hmmmmmmm

[sandy]

well Peeps, here is my two cents for the day and then I have to be good and work, and leave this sad story until Greta at 10:00 pm tonight

I was watching re runs of the Fox coverage late last night and something the editor of Diario said is making me think this story is running in a more heinous direction, I had a "ah ha" moment

Josee said to Alan Colmes that the reason they hauled in Paul is that there are large contradictions between Joran's and Paul's story, he put it, there is something very wrong going on between the father and the son

now add to this the statement by Ms. Croes, our favourite spokesperson that Mr. VDS is a suspect in the disappearance not the cover up

Could Steve have come before PVDS in a legal case at some time and thus be known to PVDS as a potential aid in disposing of the body.

add to this it's been verified that Joran now admits he was alone with Natalee on that beach

which is what the Kalpoe brothers have been saying for quite some time now, add to this you have Joran saying Deepak picked him up then Satish picked him up, come on, surely you can remember which brother picked you up, and if the father is involved it explains why Joran keeps changing his story

add to this some curious things spoken by Beth and Jug - Beth has been reported to have said she suspected Paul even before she met him, now I am assuming she means that night of May 31st and I believe that what happened was that Beth and Jug were at the Holiday Inn Casino getting information, and I believe they viewed or certainly have since viewed the casino videotape and I think Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino the same time as Joran AND Natalee

I think Mrs. VDS's story that her husband was sound asleep after he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00 pm are all lies - she's been told lies by her husband and son

I think Mr. VDS was the one Joran called for help

I think Mr. VDS made up the alibi and either he and/or Joran were somehow able to get the boys on side

don't forget, the Kalpoe boys may have not been told exactly what happened and you tend to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, and given who Joran's dad is, they also may have figured he knows what he is talking about, because I hear they admit they gave Joran cover, they are young, you make stupid judgments at that age

the only thing is I don't know where to fit in Croes per se, I find it interesting that even Jug and Beth are confused as where he fits in and they clearly have more information than we do and they've been on the mark on other areas

I also have to wonder if they have forensic results back that they are not disclosing

now I may just be proven wrong on the brothers, they will be in enough trouble for providing the false alibi