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« Reply #440 on: June 24, 2005, 09:23:14 AM »

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however I would find it hard to believe you could do this often and get away with it, once maybe, but several times

though if you use the date rape drug, supposedly the women cannot remember or there may be some kinky chicks who enjoy that sort of thing?

that is why I am curious if this tape story is true because if it is, it is amazing these kids didn't get hauled into the station for this, maybe they did, maybe they got their knuckles rapped,  

I'd find it hard to believe someone wouldn't have squealed to a parent about this tape esp if it were your friend who was the victim?  because this tape was supposedly of an Aruban girl not a tourist


   Arrow  What if you went to polis and they
 blew u off  totally/blaming victim
OR what if u knew u polis liked the vidoes too/or knew polis already
knew of this activity and  consistently looked the other way?


oh I understand but if Joran and friends were posting this stuff on the internet and/or selling this tape on the island, hard to believe someone somewhere on the island wouldn't have stumbled upon this and reported it to the police, depends on how long ago this was too I suppose if the story is true

I mean they catch child pornographers all the time, in fact I find it stunning that child pornographers still use the internet to spread their filth to other pedophiles knowing the cops got the internet wired to catch these guys, look at Pete Townsend, he got arrested for downloading one photo once, for research he claimed because he was a victim of sexual abuse as a child
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« Reply #441 on: June 24, 2005, 09:28:17 AM »

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oh I just remembered, some smart posters at this forum also noted there was a special concert or festival going on in the area of the Holiday Inn and all the security guards were dressed in black

now again, if Joran's father is out partying in this vicinity instead of at home he would have seen all the security guards dressed in black, and indeed even the boys would have noticed all the security guards in black, so why not implicate a security guard  or guards dressed in black when you know the vicinity was crawling with guards dressed in black or in fact Joran may have seen a few of these guys near the Marriott, when they were off duty

how convenient, you have hundreds of potential suspects, then, perhaps it was by sheer accident they picked up John and Jones or maybe that was because John has been seen at the Holiday Inn that night and they knew Jones was his best buddy and trolled for chicks together

perhaps the old man VDS presumed it would take days to question all these security guards.......


Paulus really does not look like the partying type...He's 53, studying for his judgeship, and most Dutch people are really reserved.  Like the Brittish if there was a comparison.  BH does seem to think her daughter has been kidnapped, and I m not sure if a ransom was asked for?  If we go with this line of thought, how and where would the would be captors have gotten the idea of Nat being a perfect target?


well looks can be deceiving-  everyone thought Ted Bundy was a nice preppy young man, the kind of guy most parents would love their daughter to bring home,

the biggest drinker and driver in our town is a judge and he gets away with it precisely because no cop would dare give him a ticket

he may not be a partyer/drinker but he may be addicted to gambling,  my own 67 year old aunt has become addicted to slots and she's got my mother going with her
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« Reply #442 on: June 24, 2005, 09:29:24 AM »

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exactly - i can't see natalie as a target either. and if anyone can bring up a documented story of an american being kidnapped and sold into slavery, i'd be very interested to read it.


Someone mentioned that months ago an American tourist went missing, the parents came to aruba and nothing was found till a week later she showed up, appearently spending time with some Arubian lover... I can't seem to find any info other the post.
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« Reply #443 on: June 24, 2005, 09:29:44 AM »

and i am sorry I know from my own very frequent observations, when the wives are away, the husbands will play........
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« Reply #444 on: June 24, 2005, 09:30:24 AM »

Gerben, i have a question for you - a bit muddled perhaps but here goes:

if there is no body or forensic evidence
if there is nothing really in the way of emails, SMS or other communication that implicates any of the suspects
is there any likelihood that there will be no one charged, the suspects will all be released and the investigation will fail?

could we possibly looking at a scenario where this does not get resolved?
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« Reply #445 on: June 24, 2005, 09:30:25 AM »

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I apologize for posting, promise not to post again, didn't mean to ruin your morning, just thought post had interesting points........They were right, newbies aren't welcome here.


Maritzka, don't mind these guys.  For days people have been saying "would like to hear what a profiler has to say" - it was nice of you to share Dutchlady's post with us here.  Some of us like to look at all points of view.



Please continue to post - I must be dense - I didn't even realize someone had been offensive to you!  I appreciated your post.  thanks
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« Reply #446 on: June 24, 2005, 09:31:14 AM »

heck I'm a former lawyer, law students and lawyers can drink as good as anyone else......
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« Reply #447 on: June 24, 2005, 09:32:17 AM »

now i really got to go, take care kids, let's hope this day brings this case closer to a resolution
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« Reply #448 on: June 24, 2005, 09:32:55 AM »

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exactly - i can't see natalie as a target either. and if anyone can bring up a documented story of an american being kidnapped and sold into slavery, i'd be very interested to read it.


Someone mentioned that months ago an American tourist went missing, the parents came to aruba and nothing was found till a week later she showed up, appearently spending time with some Arubian lover... I can't seem to find any info other the post.


thanks, Comananzi - that would be Amy Bradley i think. she worked on a cruise ship that docked in Aruba and she disappeared. the official explanation was that she fell over board, but to my knowledge there has been no trace of her.
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« Reply #449 on: June 24, 2005, 09:33:04 AM »

From http://www.hasibokos.com:

"The justice department suspects the Dutch judge, Paul van der S. (53), of accessory to murder, manslaughter or kidnapping with dead as consequence."




That sure doesn't leave much room for good news.
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« Reply #450 on: June 24, 2005, 09:34:27 AM »

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now i really got to go, take care kids, let's hope this day brings this case closer to a resolution


bye guys....
thank to everyone for insight and input
welcome newbies!!! keep posting!! Cool
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« Reply #451 on: June 24, 2005, 09:34:38 AM »

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Gerben, i have a question for you - a bit muddled perhaps but here goes:

if there is no body or forensic evidence
if there is nothing really in the way of emails, SMS or other communication that implicates any of the suspects
is there any likelihood that there will be no one charged, the suspects will all be released and the investigation will fail?

could we possibly looking at a scenario where this does not get resolved?


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Just a comment about evidence and forensics. The VDS house was searched for 4 hours and materials were removed as well as the 2 cars and sent to Holland (i think) for processing last week or so. Perhaps the Aruban LE has the forensics reports back and that coupled with all the stories falling apart is why we are beginning to see some movement on the case.

It's just a thought....
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« Reply #452 on: June 24, 2005, 09:34:47 AM »

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quote]I apologize for posting, promise not to post again, didn't mean to ruin your morning, just thought post had interesting points........They were right, newbies aren't welcome here.


Don't apologize...keep posting Very Happy
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« Reply #453 on: June 24, 2005, 09:34:54 AM »

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Iquitos...I'm sorry but I have to take exception for your comment about "Southern Hypocrisy". I have big news for you there is hypocrisy all over the country and all over the world for that matter. We Southerners DO NOT have the corner on the market.
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Don't be sorry...this isn't the first time Iquitos has posted comments like this.
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« Reply #454 on: June 24, 2005, 09:36:32 AM »

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Someone mentioned that months ago an American tourist went missing, the parents came to aruba and nothing was found till a week later she showed up, appearently spending time with some Arubian lover... I can't seem to find any info other the post.[/quote]

thanks, Comananzi - that would be Amy Bradley i think. she worked on a cruise ship that docked in Aruba and she disappeared. the official explanation was that she fell over board, but to my knowledge there has been no trace of her.[/quote]
Amy Bradley has never been found but I did read that story you are referring to as well.
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« Reply #455 on: June 24, 2005, 09:37:36 AM »

I do not think Joran's Mother is sincere. I think she is sad for her own problems. She's not concerned about Natalee. After seeing her on AP saying this is now the media's fault. She is either in denial or spinning this for her family. Seeing Joran's Mom's indigant response tells me she's not happy, I think she believed her family was exempt to the law.

Jug (Natalee's step dad) was right, who tells their son to remain silent about being with someone who is missing (Joran's father)...unless he fear  ed Joran may incriminate himself and father.

It also bothers me the Mother said Joran would kick her ass infront of her mother, if she is found.

I am still skeptical about the brothers. Why agree to help cover for someone? Why say Natalee was rude and didn't introduce herself? Why say things like get a room. Sounds like statements meant to deflect attention from them. It doesn't sound like innocent talk to me.

I have been happy to see Aruba appearing to do their job in investigating this case.  I pray they find Natalee, then maybe this will be settled. If Aruba shows they did their job I should think everyone would be very thankful and tourisim would return, possibly even increase.
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« Reply #456 on: June 24, 2005, 09:38:18 AM »

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Someone mentioned that months ago an American tourist went missing, the parents came to aruba and nothing was found till a week later she showed up, appearently spending time with some Arubian lover... I can't seem to find any info other the post.


thanks, Comananzi - that would be Amy Bradley i think. she worked on a cruise ship that docked in Aruba and she disappeared. the official explanation was that she fell over board, but to my knowledge there has been no trace of her.[/quote]
Amy Bradley has never been found but I did read that story you are referring to as well.[/quote]

and i totally blew that one, i apologize. two different stories.  Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #457 on: June 24, 2005, 09:38:42 AM »

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Iquitos...I'm sorry but I have to take exception for your comment about "Southern Hypocrisy". I have big news for you there is hypocrisy all over the country and all over the world for that matter. We Southerners DO NOT have the corner on the market.
::back to lurk mode::


Don't be sorry...this isn't the first time Iquitos has posted comments like this.


Thanks Pinemeadows...maybe I'm just sensitive to "Southern" comments. While I grew up in Birmingham and now live in Atlanta, I have spent the last 20 years traveling for business and I am continually amazed at the numbers people across the country who think we still have slaves.
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« Reply #458 on: June 24, 2005, 09:39:14 AM »

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I apologize for posting, promise not to post again, didn't mean to ruin your morning, just thought post had interesting points........They were right, newbies aren't welcome here.


Maritzka, don't mind these guys.  For days people have been saying "would like to hear what a profiler has to say" - it was nice of you to share Dutchlady's post with us here.  Some of us like to look at all points of view.



Please continue to post - I must be dense - I didn't even realize someone had been offensive to you!  I appreciated your post.  thanks
 

maritzka.  if you posted the dutch lady item it was  a great find.  if i commneted negatively on it it was because i do not thnk she is on track not because i don't appreciate the post.  keep posting.  all info is welcome and the curious monkeys will be all over it.
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« Reply #459 on: June 24, 2005, 09:40:17 AM »

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Someone mentioned that months ago an American tourist went missing, the parents came to aruba and nothing was found till a week later she showed up, appearently spending time with some Arubian lover... I can't seem to find any info other the post.


thanks, Comananzi - that would be Amy Bradley i think. she worked on a cruise ship that docked in Aruba and she disappeared. the official explanation was that she fell over board, but to my knowledge there has been no trace of her.[/quote]
Amy Bradley has never been found but I did read that story you are referring to as well.[/quote]

I think these are two different cases. Amy Bradley was on vacation with her family on a cruise ship in 1998; she disappeared, allegedly with someone who worked on the ship. The belief is that she was part of the sex trade because she eventually ended up in a brothel and told an American soldier her name and that she needed help. Unfortunately they went back to get her and the brothel was closed down. (This is what's been discussed on the message boards; I haven't seen a news report to confirm the story about the soldier).

As for the girl who went missing a few months ago, only to turn up a few days later, I've seen discussion on the message boards about that, too. I don't know many details, though.
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