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« Reply #500 on: June 24, 2005, 10:05:57 AM »

i took it to mean the drug underground culture... i could be wrong....[/quote]

I said from the beginning, I bet this has something to do with drugs!!!
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« Reply #501 on: June 24, 2005, 10:06:50 AM »

look like this has been a kiddnapping since the beginning...bht made those statements and i believe her....one of two things will happen.. papa starts singing or joran starts singing.. either way this is gonna be resolved.. there is the chance that some of these ppl only know certain aspects of the dissappearnce...hence more arrests...
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« Reply #502 on: June 24, 2005, 10:07:50 AM »

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Hello, I've been a lurker here for awhile, but this is my first post.  Thanks to all of you who have provided some pretty inciteful posts.  

Please forgive me if this has been addressed earlier, it's difficult to keep up with all the posts.  Regarding the supposed letter from Deepak.  Did anyone happen to catch Greta on Bill O'reilly's show yesterday.  If I recall correctly, O'reilly asked Greta how the Tattoo DJ (Croes) was connected to the investigation.  Greta speculated that Deepak may have sent an e-mail to Croes that may have discussed Deepak's version of events and that may have been the reason Croes was questioned in the first place.  If I'm not mistaken, Greta even confirmed that Deepak's computer was seized by LE.  I thought this was interesting since I seem to recall that someone from this forum forwarded the letter to Greta.  I'm just wondering if Greta did in fact receive that forwarded letter and is now trying to determine if it's credible.  If anyone else happen to see this on O'reilly last night, I'd love to hear your thoughts.   Thanks
 good thought.  from listening to his mother's account last night i beleive the deepak email is genuine.  who knows who he copied it to.
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« Reply #503 on: June 24, 2005, 10:07:53 AM »

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Gerben, i have a question for you - a bit muddled perhaps but here goes:

if there is no body or forensic evidence
if there is nothing really in the way of emails, SMS or other communication that implicates any of the suspects
is there any likelihood that there will be no one charged, the suspects will all be released and the investigation will fail?

could we possibly looking at a scenario where this does not get resolved?


Yes, that is possible. That's why the police are quite intense, AVS called it even extreme, in their interrogations. A confession is a good thing to start from if you are the prosecutor in this case. However a confession is not needed in court if there is enough evidence that ties the suspect to the crime. No evidence and no confession basically means that you are innocent.
That's why maybe, and I am speculating here, Jorans father advised Joran not to say anything because a 'confession', even if he is innocent is basically enough te get you in jail.
There are failsaves for this in the dutch justicesystem, so any judge in this case will demand more from the prosecution than a confession.
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« Reply #504 on: June 24, 2005, 10:07:58 AM »

Yeah, but will they find Natalee?
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« Reply #505 on: June 24, 2005, 10:08:00 AM »

Bonjour Gerben aka Pays Bas... ça va bien?

Is Natalee's disappearance a big story in the Netherlands?
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« Reply #506 on: June 24, 2005, 10:08:36 AM »

I havent read anywhere hes been charged but is being held under suspicion as the other suspects are. Also I think he appears nervous bc he has alot to lose, his family, job, reputation, freedom. He is a grown man with life exp and knows the implication of being convicted. The other boys are  younger with their lives ahead of them. Maybe not realizing the prison they are in might be their home for a long time if something doesnt happen soon. Makes sense to me why hes nervous.[/quote]

Iff you saw the lawyer on Larry King last night - PVDS's career is finito if there is any hint that he has had a hand in this - I am not talking enough to charge and try him - just the incarceration on suspicion seems to be a career limiting factor
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« Reply #507 on: June 24, 2005, 10:10:41 AM »

also i have been wondering about renee, the headless guy.. you have to understand that in aruba, the dutch community is very tight.. the vds are dutch and so is renee.. wondering if this was a hit job, and there could be other charges against some of the ppl in the original investigation...
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« Reply #508 on: June 24, 2005, 10:10:52 AM »

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I am impressed with the Holloways and Twitty's. They truly are remarkable people. I was also impressed with the gentleman who was in Cancun and flew over to help in the search. Notice how they are unselfish and loyal. No one wants any accolades. They are genuinely good people. People I want to be more like. I'm a yankee by birth but you couldn't dynamite me outta here now!



LOL, My hubby says the same, he WAS a yankee, from Baltimore, now he wouldn't go back....  Laughing  I love it when ppl say that.  Laughing
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« Reply #509 on: June 24, 2005, 10:10:53 AM »

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Bonjour Gerben aka Pays Bas... ça va bien?

Is Natalee's disappearance a big story in the Netherlands?


I have family that arrived yesterday from Holland, they had new clue what is going on in Aruba and any missing persons, much less Natalee
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« Reply #510 on: June 24, 2005, 10:11:31 AM »

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I havent read anywhere hes been charged but is being held under suspicion as the other suspects are. Also I think he appears nervous bc he has alot to lose, his family, job, reputation, freedom. He is a grown man with life exp and knows the implication of being convicted. The other boys are  younger with their lives ahead of them. Maybe not realizing the prison they are in might be their home for a long time if something doesnt happen soon. Makes sense to me why hes nervous.


Iff you saw the lawyer on Larry King last night - PVDS's career is finito if there is any hint that he has had a hand in this - I am not talking enough to charge and try him - just the incarceration on suspicion seems to be a career limiting factor[/quote]

Yes that is common sense though. His face, his sons face, his wifes face  has been splashed all over the media. It would be very hard to escape the fact the media has already found them guilty. I do feel there is some involvement dont get me wrong. But even at this point if it came out the father has nothing to do with it, his career is trashed.
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« Reply #511 on: June 24, 2005, 10:11:37 AM »

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Any chance this has some mistaken identity to it.  With the persistant but wrong rumor that her dad is a high ranking goverment official,  could they have thought she was someone else?


Marianne Croes said the he was being held on the same charges as the others,,


held on suspicion of the same charges as the others
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« Reply #512 on: June 24, 2005, 10:12:10 AM »

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Yeah, but will they find Natalee?


i believe so.. the pressure is incrediable.....something has to give,,
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« Reply #513 on: June 24, 2005, 10:12:10 AM »

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Iquitos, don 't know what your feeling on gambling is, but I am born and raised in Miss and have traveled extensively.  Yes, we gamble here in Miss.  Some here think it is an awful thing along with consuming alcohol, etc.  I love to gamble and only allow so much money to do this with, however I have witnessed people going there with their welfare checks and I wonder about the poor children left at home with nothing.  This is the root to some of the so called "southern hipocrasy" because the very religious believe gambling is addictive and therefore will destroy the family.  I fear addicts of any sort because they will stop at nothing to fulfill their desire.  I can feel the distaste in your posts for the southern people.  We are very fierce about our families and will defend to the death but on the other hand, we discipline our kids and teach them to do right by others.  I am speaking of the majority of southern people.  We do not want to raise a child everyone hates to see coming.  However, there are bad apples in every community, city, state , or country.  I believe if you come here, you will be treated with respect.  Nat's family are beside themselves and they are doing a great job.  If I was there, I probably would have been arrested by now because I would have not let up on Joran.  I believe as a mother myself, he would have talked to me.


You wouldn't only be treated with respect--you'd be WARMLY WELCOMED by almost everyone. People always think Kentucky is the most backwards place on the planet until they come for Derby and then they see how genteel, welcoming, and fun it is. Southerners are kind and hospitable--you should visit and see for yourself.
 

sorry for my sterotyping.  i know southerners are good people.  i come from old southern stock.  i think gambling is a scourge on the poor and do not think it shoud be used to fund state activities.  it is legalized theft.  but hey, it is a free country.  i don't like it used as part of a demonization campaign.  hey, he gambles, he must be a a slimeball.


I agree with you on that; lots of people gamble, and it seems to be what many of the teens do on the island (including the tourists, and the students from Mountain Brook).

I think Joran is a slimeball for many reasons.
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« Reply #514 on: June 24, 2005, 10:12:13 AM »

thanks, Gerben. that's what i'm afraid of

as always you are the answer man! Laughing
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« Reply #515 on: June 24, 2005, 10:12:33 AM »

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I am impressed with the Holloways and Twitty's. They truly are remarkable people. I was also impressed with the gentleman who was in Cancun and flew over to help in the search. Notice how they are unselfish and loyal. No one wants any accolades. They are genuinely good people. People I want to be more like. I'm a yankee by birth but you couldn't dynamite me outta here now!



LOL, My hubby says the same, he WAS a yankee, from Baltimore, now he wouldn't go back....  Laughing  I love it when ppl say that.  Laughing


I tell my Dad, I'm your smart daughter, the one who moved to the south!!!
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« Reply #516 on: June 24, 2005, 10:13:45 AM »

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<<<Anyway, my posting is on another girl that got missing ala bugeye runaway bride Wilkins.  I just wanna know the name so I can do some searching.>>>

Jennifer Wilbanks


Hey! Don't pin Jennifer Wilbanks on us, shes from Georgia! LOL
she looks like this------> Shocked
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« Reply #517 on: June 24, 2005, 10:14:00 AM »

Hi All....new here but I have been following you for a while and think y'all are great!  Just wanted to throw my theory out there....I think the connection between all those arrested and possibly more that will be...is in the computers that were confiscated.  I think these guys have some sort of sex ring going on......just take a look at  some of the My Space and Tickle websites they have.  Didn't I read somewhere that Juron's were removed?  Possibly by Dad?  This one is the "tell all" to me...especially if you click on his groups...

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=8576252&Mytoken=

Juron has too much freedom in the casinos for a 17 yr old boy and it seems like Dad is okay with it since he is there as well!  Something's going on!!!  Just can't figure out what happened to Natalie or why. I am hoping and praying so hard that she will be found alive.

Thanks so much for letting me put my two cents in and keep up the great work!
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« Reply #518 on: June 24, 2005, 10:14:27 AM »

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Bonjour Gerben aka Pays Bas... ça va bien?

Is Natalee's disappearance a big story in the Netherlands?


ca va. Merci!
No it's not. This is the first time after a frontpage article in De Telegraaf about Joran that a arrest in this case made (small) headlines here. It has mainly to do with Paul van der S. job as a justice offical. This is the first time I know of that a 'judge' , wich he is not, is arrested under suspicion of murder.
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« Reply #519 on: June 24, 2005, 10:14:36 AM »

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I havent read anywhere hes been charged but is being held under suspicion as the other suspects are. Also I think he appears nervous bc he has alot to lose, his family, job, reputation, freedom. He is a grown man with life exp and knows the implication of being convicted. The other boys are  younger with their lives ahead of them. Maybe not realizing the prison they are in might be their home for a long time if something doesnt happen soon. Makes sense to me why hes nervous.


Iff you saw the lawyer on Larry King last night - PVDS's career is finito if there is any hint that he has had a hand in this - I am not talking enough to charge and try him - just the incarceration on suspicion seems to be a career limiting factor


Yes that is common sense though. His face, his sons face, his wifes face  has been splashed all over the media. It would be very hard to escape the fact the media has already found them guilty. I do feel there is some involvement dont get me wrong. But even at this point if it came out the father has nothing to do with it, his career is trashed.[/quote]

I thought I heard Marianne Croes say last night that Paul Van Der Sloot,  was being faced with the same exact suspicions/charges as the other four suspects. She strongly implied that if there were charges filed they'd be the same for all five suspects. (At least, that's what I inferred).
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