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« Reply #660 on: June 24, 2005, 11:49:25 AM »

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I am curious why no one brings up the issue of Deepak's mother Nadira, not being able to visit him but able to visit Satish.

Through all the little pieces we get, I found that to really be interesting.


Me too,I have been to busy lastnight and today to catch up but it doesn't make sense that the boys are not involved.
Why would Joran hurt her if she was willing, or if it was an accident why not confess it can be proven.


Just a possibility but maybe he gave her some drugs (willingly or not) that caused her to overdose.
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« Reply #661 on: June 24, 2005, 11:50:11 AM »

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It is the Gomez name.  He has been missing for several days.


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   It was reported in a post here he is/was a columbian reporter I think.
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« Reply #662 on: June 24, 2005, 11:50:15 AM »

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I am curious why no one brings up the issue of Deepak's mother Nadira, not being able to visit him but able to visit Satish.

Through all the little pieces we get, I found that to really be interesting.


Could it be the ages  there are different rules.
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« Reply #663 on: June 24, 2005, 11:50:52 AM »

<<<<Thanks Momto5!!!!!!!

Seriously though, and I mean this int he best way, by being on this board, I learned how different everywhere in the US is etc. How many people are oblivious to this being a huge "subculture" or "fasiontrend" in the US.

Generally speaking, at least from my own experience, real "ganstas" typically try to do a little more blending these days trying to not bring to much attention to themselves. Clothes, signs etc seem to just be a fab going on, just like during the early 90's Grunge (looking sloppy, wearing flannels, looking greasy and unshowered) was in the thing. lol[/quote]>>>

Well I lived in Souther CA for 26 yrs and actually remember getting lost in Long Beach, probably not somewhere anyone from palm springs wants to get lost but I did. So when my son whose 13 and his friends try to talk all bad and use hand gestures and act like general punks I have to laugh. If they got lost in Long Beach and saw some of the real "gangstas" that were staring me down as I went in drunk to buy me some lil donuts they might wet themselves HA!
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« Reply #664 on: June 24, 2005, 11:51:18 AM »

E-mail No. 2

Greta,
Can you please give us an idea of how far the beach area where Joran said he was with Natalee is to the Van der Sloot home? Is it a short walk, or would one most likely need a ride from the beach to the home? I'm not surprised that [Paul] van der Sloot was arrested. I just pray they get answers now.
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ANSWER: It is at least a few miles... I have driven it many times but we go a different route every time and often get lost!
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« Reply #665 on: June 24, 2005, 11:52:28 AM »

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Kevin, Bryan... close enough. The shoving match DID happen.

The way the article is written makes it sound like it was in conjunction with Joran talking to Natalee, but I don't think that is so. That is just a journalistic filler.


That's what it looks like to me, too. The MB kid didn't say it. The journalist did. Still, if I were an investigator, I wouldn't just toss this little tidbit away as insignificant. It could be related.
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« Reply #666 on: June 24, 2005, 11:53:14 AM »

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Are you saying, for all intents and purposes, that it is impossible to get a conviction based strictly on circumstantial evidence?


It is not impossible, it is just difficult.......

we have a case in Canada where the exboyfriend was found guilty of murder and no body has been found, to this day
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« Reply #667 on: June 24, 2005, 11:53:18 AM »

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Morning all.. Rob.. are you taking a laptop with you on your trip??


Are you going to the smelly pond?

going to the abandoned town near KIA. this the second time i posted this.. some stuff is not going through





ROB...being part decap is sure a sign to all...how "bout being left for dead in an old GOVERNMENT cemetary???
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« Reply #668 on: June 24, 2005, 11:53:34 AM »

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I am curious why no one brings up the issue of Deepak's mother Nadira, not being able to visit him but able to visit Satish.

Through all the little pieces we get, I found that to really be interesting.


Me too,I have been to busy lastnight and today to catch up but it doesn't make sense that the boys are not involved.
Why would Joran hurt her if she was willing, or if it was an accident why not confess it can be proven.


Just a possibility but maybe he gave her some drugs (willingly or not) that caused her to overdose.


Still it doesn't make sense, my goodness he knows what he is facing now, why not confess , he would in a lot less trouble.
I don't trust the other boys because if it was a gang bang then I can see the cover -up and even the fathers invovment.
I hope Joran is not going to get this whole thing pinned on him because it seems that there would have to more involved.
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« Reply #669 on: June 24, 2005, 11:56:00 AM »

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I havent read anywhere hes been charged but is being held under suspicion as the other suspects are. Also I think he appears nervous bc he has alot to lose, his family, job, reputation, freedom. He is a grown man with life exp and knows the implication of being convicted. The other boys are  younger with their lives ahead of them. Maybe not realizing the prison they are in might be their home for a long time if something doesnt happen soon. Makes sense to me why hes nervous.


I think in Joran's sick, demented mind, this gives him street cred amongst his wannabe gangsta friends.


What wannabe gangsta and street cred?

Do I have to sit here, yet again and explain over and over what a misconception that is?

Seriously, take a plane, come to Los Angeles. I will personally drive you around during your visit, through all of southern california because pehaps in "small" town USA (I now realize) you are not accustomed to what most kids these days are into.

::thinking maybe you missed my whole slang and hand sign class in here:::

That is why the forum sometimes breaks out into "homie" etc lol



HEY CALI!!  what up gangsta??? Laughing
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« Reply #670 on: June 24, 2005, 11:56:31 AM »

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DT- I agree with your statements. But on the other hand her parents need to remember to do that. Throwing stones at a boy who had snuck out and obviously got himself into trouble, also.  I think the point is no one is perfect. Not the teenage girl who "got lost in paradise" and not the teenage boy who "lost" her. And not the parents for believing they raised smart, responsible, young adults.

Just my opinion. Just my point of view.


I'll tell you one thing.  If my kid were missing and the last known person to be with her lied, allowed others to be held for a crime he knew they had no knowledge of, and changed his story for almost a month!!!!  I'D NOT ONLY THROW STONES I'D BE THROWING BOULDERS!!!!

Give me a break!  Damn right they should throw stones!  They should scream, hollar, search, question, accuse...whatever it takes they have every right to know where their kid is...NO MATTER WHAT!!!

You're way off base here.  This is not a group therapy deal...it's a human life that's missing.
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« Reply #671 on: June 24, 2005, 11:56:34 AM »

Everyone is saying Confessing is less trouble. But what are the laws if they don't find a body?
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« Reply #672 on: June 24, 2005, 11:57:07 AM »

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Can you tell us more about the reported "premeditated murder" charge?  What does this mean?  Does it rule out an accidental death or overdose?
So glad you decided to join us...we have sooooo many questions.

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If a drug was slipped into NH's drink, that alone could constitute premediation.


OR IS IT PREMEDICATION?
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« Reply #673 on: June 24, 2005, 11:57:30 AM »

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It is the Gomez name.  He has been missing for several days.


 Arrow
   It was reported in a post here he is/was a columbian reporter I think.


WOW!  A reporter?  I wonder if he stumbled onto something...
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« Reply #674 on: June 24, 2005, 11:58:07 AM »

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I am curious why no one brings up the issue of Deepak's mother Nadira, not being able to visit him but able to visit Satish.

Through all the little pieces we get, I found that to really be interesting.


Could it be the ages  there are different rules.


My guess would be they don't want the brothers to communicate to each other through their mother.
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« Reply #675 on: June 24, 2005, 11:58:24 AM »

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I think the dad is how Joran got home from the beach that night.


I think so too.


If he was at the beach...
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« Reply #676 on: June 24, 2005, 11:59:27 AM »

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Can you tell us more about the reported "premeditated murder" charge?  What does this mean?  Does it rule out an accidental death or overdose?
So glad you decided to join us...we have sooooo many questions.

Thanks
~Nancy


If a drug was slipped into NH's drink, that alone could constitute premediation.


OR IS IT PREMEDICATION?


Speaking of medication.. did anyone ever find out what meds NH had in her bag???  This was asked yesterday sometime I think.. never did see an answer..!! Thanks!
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« Reply #677 on: June 24, 2005, 11:59:41 AM »

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Don't want to rattle any cages, but I really take exception to BHT saying that NH would never go with these fellows willingly, that she was kidnapped.  BHT needs to wake up and smell the roses.  She cannot bring herself to admit that "her" daughter would ever drink, smoke, do drugs, have sex or act in any manner consistent with most teenage behavior.  Why do you think the other kids aren't talking.  They all went down there to get blasted and get laid!  BHT is a typical southern "lady", whose personal reputation with regard to her family and home are really more important than her concern for her missing daughter.  At one point she made the comment, "I am through protecting myself."  What is that suppose to mean?....protect her reputation, that is what.  She is VERY concerned about what her neighbors and others in her community think of HER.  Take note of her reaction when one of the interviewing reporters tries to broach the subject of Natalee going with the boys, being drunk, having sex; she always brushes that aside and says something to the effect that she doesn't want to dwell on the past, she just wants to find Natalee.  I suspect Natalee did get drunk and did have sex and did, possibly, do some drugs (knowingly or not).  My theory is that she did all this with JVDS and possibly the K brothers and maybe even the D.J. also and then she decided to take a swim in the ocean and just kept on swimming, knowing that her classmates were aware of her behavior and her personal shame and knowing the shame her mother would experience as a result of her doing all these things.  I expect that BTH put so much pressure on her while she was in school and in her community that she just didn't care anymore.  They keep saying that she was so perfect, i.e., 4.0 average, gonna be a doctor, full academic scholarship, never did anything wrong, etc., etc., etc.  Come on people, we have all known parents who push their kids to the end of their rope and then that rope snaps.  In the photos of NH, her eyes are sad.  And, I am now sad for her.

And, just for the record, before anyone goes off on me.  I am a southern woman, a mother of three grown children (2 boys, 1 girl)--none of whom are perfect by a long shot.  Mine would look me in the eye and lie to me and I know that most mothers will admit the same thing.  We don't really know our kids--just as our kids never really know us.

I suspect that JVDS, the K brothers, the DJ and PVDS are all aware of what happened.... and the problem is that they did nothing to help her, they just took advantage of her condition and then let her swim away......... Sad


just shut up!  {{{edit:  Rob.. others have a right to their opinion, please don't abuse your fellow posters. Thank you! The Zoo Keeper}}}


i m getting sick and tired of ppl saying crap they have no sense saying.. there has not been one shred of evidence that natalee was a"loose" person.. NOT ONE... natalee is the VICTIM.....with ppl like this its no wonder ppl like m. jackson., O.J, Kobe, and a hell of allotta of others walk....placing blame on natalee is reprehensible.....you ppl should know better....i ve had enough of it already....
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« Reply #678 on: June 24, 2005, 12:01:23 PM »

I'll tell you one thing.  If my kid were missing and the last known person to be with her lied, allowed others to be held for a crime he knew they had no knowledge of, and changed his story for almost a month!!!!  I'D NOT ONLY THROW STONES I'D BE THROWING BOULDERS!!!!

Give me a break!  Damn right they should throw stones!  They should scream, hollar, search, question, accuse...whatever it takes they have every right to know where their kid is...NO MATTER WHAT!!!

You're way off base here.  This is not a group therapy deal...it's a human life that's missing.[/quote]

I agree with you 100%. But don't you think if everyone stopped the "he was out til 3 am, at a casino, had his own place" screaming. It may work out a lot better.  I have two kids and let me tell you, I would be searching and looking, but I wouldn't be playing the holier than now crap.

And it is about a missing person, not an attack on personal opions.
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« Reply #679 on: June 24, 2005, 12:01:34 PM »

I have been to Aruba several times and have been in CnC's myself. The bartenders are real partiers too. I watched as they walked through the crowd, tipping girls heads back and literally pouring drinks down their throats. My question is does anyone know if the bartenders have been interviewed and to what extent if they have been? Seems to me that given the fact Joran, Deepak and Satish frequented the place they would know these bartenders. Now wouldn't it be possible to have your friend the bartender put something in a drink or pour it down your throat and no one would be the wiser?
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