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« Reply #680 on: June 24, 2005, 12:01:47 PM »

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...well, i know I'M hooked.  Embarassed

just thought i would finally register and delurk, as i have been reading the message board for 10 days or so. not to mention being glued to the tv, hoping and praying that natalee will be found alive.

just thought i would say hi.

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« Reply #681 on: June 24, 2005, 12:02:24 PM »

http://www.planethuff.com/darkside/archives/cat_the_vanishing_of_natalee_holloway.html#000814

I came across this link from another site........if you scroll less than about halfway down there is a picture supposedly of Joran with a young "Asian" (i say Asian in quotes because I don't know, it's what the site says) girl of about 13 whose face is blurred out. Is this really Joran? I can't tell, it sort of looks like him but looks kind of snide or sinister or something. The sites speculates maybe there is some truth to what Geraldo said about a tape.....but my point is I have never seen this pic before or any of Joran with a girl who fits that description.

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« Reply #682 on: June 24, 2005, 12:02:31 PM »

It seems like PVDS is "sweating bullets"....I wonder if he's afraid of more than the police, for some reason, and the killing of the guy found in the cemetary and the missing reporter are warning signs:  If you talk, this will happen to you...that kind of thing.

For someone who was studying the law, he personifies fear in a big way...it seems like there's more going on.
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« Reply #683 on: June 24, 2005, 12:02:43 PM »

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I am curious why no one brings up the issue of Deepak's mother Nadira, not being able to visit him but able to visit Satish.

Through all the little pieces we get, I found that to really be interesting.
 

NADIRA RAMIREZ:  MAYBE YOU CAN VISIT ONE AND  NOT THE OTHER BECASUE YOU MIGHT SHUTTLE STORY ADJUSTMENT MESSAGES.  SHE HAS THE STORY SOWN PAT AND I FIND HER CREDIBLE.  SHE TOLD GRETA LAST NIGHT WHAT HER "INNOCENT" SONS TOLD HER   REMEMBER THEY ADMITTTED THEY LIED AT FIRST.  BUT OF COURSE SHE WATCHES TV TOO SO SHE KNOWS WHAT JOHN AND JONES SAID AFTER THEY GOT OUT.  IS SHE GUYANESE?  I MISSED WHERE THEY BOYS LIVED WITH THEIR GRANDMOTHER, SURINAME, GUYANA.  NEITHER OF THESE FAST LANE VENUES
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« Reply #684 on: June 24, 2005, 12:02:57 PM »

I'm sick of it too.  (the talk about loose people)

For the record, even "loose people" do NOT deserve to become victims.  No wonder rape victims hate to testify!   Evil or Very Mad

There has not been any evidence about Natalie.

Back to the reporter found killed, what's up with that???
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« Reply #685 on: June 24, 2005, 12:03:47 PM »

just shut up!  {{{edit:  Rob.. others have a right to their opinion, please don't abuse your fellow posters. Thank you! The Zoo Keeper}}}[/quote]

i m getting sick and tired of ppl saying crap they have no sense saying.. there has not been one shred of evidence that natalee was a"loose" person.. NOT ONE... natalee is the VICTIM.....with ppl like this its no wonder ppl like m. jackson., O.J, Kobe, and a hell of allotta of others walk....placing blame on natalee is reprehensible.....you ppl should know better....i ve had enough of it already....[/quote]

ROB i agree with you...it's hard to stay on track enough as it is without question that imply that this is the fault of NH.... I'm glad you are getting a vacation...in some ways I think you'd relax more on an island that you weren't so over-familiar with... You leave tomorrow rihjt??? I hope you have a good break. Exclamation
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« Reply #686 on: June 24, 2005, 12:06:09 PM »

Who said she was loose? All I was saying is she was a teenage girl on vacation and met a cute boy. I am from Fort Lauderdale, and have spent many vacations with boys from out of town. AND if something happened to me it wouldn't have been because I was loose.
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« Reply #687 on: June 24, 2005, 12:06:19 PM »

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Are you saying, for all intents and purposes, that it is impossible to get a conviction based strictly on circumstantial evidence?


It is not impossible, it is just difficult.......

we have a case in Canada where the exboyfriend was found guilty of murder and no body has been found, to this day


Actually, it is impossible (at least in the US). The prosecution must first prove that a murder has been committed. If there is no body and no evidence that conclusivly indicates that someone is indeed dead, then there can be no mudrer charge.
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« Reply #688 on: June 24, 2005, 12:07:10 PM »

I don't think "Just Wundering" is trying to imply that Natalee was a "loose girl" or anything like that.  I think he/she is only saying good girls break wild every now and then.  I did (and to this day my mother still wouldn't believe the story if she heard it) and so did my 19 year old (but I believed the story, because it was so much like my own).  Kids bust loose every once in a while - usually after 18 years of "goodness".  She worked hard in school and in her community - she deserved a break.  It's just unfortunate she happened to be around some pretty bad people when (and if) she did.
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« Reply #689 on: June 24, 2005, 12:07:23 PM »

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No matter where you are or what your occupation, all monkeys are hooked, and lovingly face the same challenges. Thank God for Scared Monkeys.


...well, i know I'M hooked.  Embarassed

just thought i would finally register and delurk, as i have been reading the message board for 10 days or so. not to mention being glued to the tv, hoping and praying that natalee will be found alive.

just thought i would say hi.

may


Hello May.  Glad you finally decided to cross over to the "other side".  Post away!!   Very Happy
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« Reply #690 on: June 24, 2005, 12:08:47 PM »

I was not surprised by the arrest of PVDS yesterday, and feel it was long overdue. Here's what I am expecting to happen today. I expect Aruban authorities to confiscate the one or two vehicles of the VDS family. As far as I know, neither of them have been checked yet for trace evidence. Am I correct in that assumption?
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« Reply #691 on: June 24, 2005, 12:09:00 PM »

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Actually, it is impossible (at least in the US). The prosecution must first prove that a murder has been committed. If there is no body and no evidence that conclusivly indicates that someone is indeed dead, then there can be no mudrer charge.


I'm not an attorney, but watched coverage of the Scott Peterson case.  Before Laci's body was even found, many criminal attorneys stated that he could be found guilty without it.
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« Reply #692 on: June 24, 2005, 12:10:06 PM »

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I was not surprised by the arrest of PVDS yesterday, and feel it was long overdue. Here's what I am expecting to happen today. I expect Aruban authorities to confiscate the one or two vehicles of the VDS family. As far as I know, neither of them have been checked yet for trace evidence. Am I correct in that assumption?


AVDS yesterday said they took 2 of their cars a few days ago when they searched the home, and the LE still have them.
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« Reply #693 on: June 24, 2005, 12:10:07 PM »

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just shut up!  {{{edit:  Rob.. others have a right to their opinion, please don't abuse your fellow posters. Thank you! The Zoo Keeper}}}


i m getting sick and tired of ppl saying crap they have no sense saying.. there has not been one shred of evidence that natalee was a"loose" person.. NOT ONE... natalee is the VICTIM.....with ppl like this its no wonder ppl like m. jackson., O.J, Kobe, and a hell of allotta of others walk....placing blame on natalee is reprehensible.....you ppl should know better....i ve had enough of it already....[/quote]

ROB i agree with you...it's hard to stay on track enough as it is without question that imply that this is the fault of NH.... I'm glad you are getting a vacation...in some ways I think you'd relax more on an island that you weren't so over-familiar with... You leave tomorrow rihjt??? I hope you have a good break. Exclamation[/quote]

thanx monkey..i worry about ppl, thats just the way i am..its part of the human condition....i dont even have to know em.. i just care about my fellow man....to see the heart break that has been cause, unnecessarily, is unbelievable.... yeah im leaving tommorrow, early,...i think your right but i always go to aruba and don t want to think about not ever going back.. so i ll stick it out and stand by the fabulous aruban ppl.. after all their victims also....
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« Reply #694 on: June 24, 2005, 12:10:19 PM »

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I was not surprised by the arrest of PVDS yesterday, and feel it was long overdue. Here's what I am expecting to happen today. I expect Aruban authorities to confiscate the one or two vehicles of the VDS family. As far as I know, neither of them have been checked yet for trace evidence. Am I correct in that assumption?


Actually, both vehicles were conficated last week and (assuming) inspected for evidence. No idea obivously of the results...
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« Reply #695 on: June 24, 2005, 12:10:27 PM »

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I'll tell you one thing.  If my kid were missing and the last known person to be with her lied, allowed others to be held for a crime he knew they had no knowledge of, and changed his story for almost a month!!!!  I'D NOT ONLY THROW STONES I'D BE THROWING BOULDERS!!!!

Give me a break!  Damn right they should throw stones!  They should scream, hollar, search, question, accuse...whatever it takes they have every right to know where their kid is...NO MATTER WHAT!!!

You're way off base here.  This is not a group therapy deal...it's a human life that's missing.


I agree with you 100%. But don't you think if everyone stopped the "he was out til 3 am, at a casino, had his own place" screaming. It may work out a lot better.  I have two kids and let me tell you, I would be searching and looking, but I wouldn't be playing the holier than now crap.

And it is about a missing person, not an attack on personal opions.[/quote]

NANCY DREW'S RESPONSE BEGINS HERE...

Joran injected himself in this case. With that comes natural public scrutiny.   He was the last known person to see her alive. In all this time he hasn't come clean with the truth. If he had we probably wouldn't have a missing person...dead or alive he does hold the key to where she is.  There would be no reason to wonder and we'd know about that night and Joran's role.

As time goes on, it is natural Joran's life and lifestyle will be questioned.  Since he has held the truth back, the scrutiny will get louder and tougher.   And it should.

It's far different with others who are randomly named, like the "L" referred to here. We need to be careful where we go with rumors of involvement in situations like that.

I've got kids, I'm well aware, even the best of students and kids are drinking and doing some kind of drugs...it's a sad fact in our society...part of our culture.  There are some who aren't...but, it's a tough road if you're totally clean in our world.

But, Joran deserves and will get all kinds of scrutiny, fair or not, until he tells the truth.
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« Reply #696 on: June 24, 2005, 12:10:30 PM »

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Actually, it is impossible (at least in the US). The prosecution must first prove that a murder has been committed. If there is no body and no evidence that conclusivly indicates that someone is indeed dead, then there can be no mudrer charge.


I'm not an attorney, but watched coverage of the Scott Peterson case.  Before Laci's body was even found, many criminal attorneys stated that he could be found guilty without it.


I would think that it would be possible, as long as the other evidence is strong enough to tell the story. But we don't know what that other evidence really is.
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« Reply #697 on: June 24, 2005, 12:10:50 PM »

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I was not surprised by the arrest of PVDS yesterday, and feel it was long overdue. Here's what I am expecting to happen today. I expect Aruban authorities to confiscate the one or two vehicles of the VDS family. As far as I know, neither of them have been checked yet for trace evidence. Am I correct in that assumption?

Anita VDS said they took both cars and they have not been given back. They have obviously been driving, whose car though who knows. I couldnt be too surprised if they chose to search that car now as well.
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« Reply #698 on: June 24, 2005, 12:11:21 PM »

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Can you tell us more about the reported "premeditated murder" charge?  What does this mean?  Does it rule out an accidental death or overdose?
So glad you decided to join us...we have sooooo many questions.

Thanks
~Nancy


If a drug was slipped into NH's drink, that alone could constitute premediation.


OR IS IT PREMEDICATION?


Speaking of medication.. did anyone ever find out what meds NH had in her bag???  This was asked yesterday sometime I think.. never did see an answer..!! Thanks!
 

ANGIE:  YOU JUST WONT LET GO OF THAT ONE!  it is a very relevant question and i have not seen an answer.  pls continue to keep asking as we have serious adhd on here with all that is coming at us.  not even a chance to read back!
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« Reply #699 on: June 24, 2005, 12:11:42 PM »

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ROB...being part decap is sure a sign to all...how "bout being left for dead in an old GOVERNMENT cemetary???


I find it interesting that the partially decapitated body was found on the Saturday that Paul Van der Sloot was first being questioned by LE.  I didn't know it was a government cemetery, but if that's the case then IMO that could make the coincidence of dates even more significant.

I'm still not sure what, if any, significance that body has to the NH case.  It will be interesting to get the scoop on PVDS once things in this case have been solidified one way or the other.  I imagine if PVDS is a corrupt official on the take, that point will come to light in all of this investigation.
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