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« Reply #700 on: June 24, 2005, 12:11:47 PM »

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I am curious why no one brings up the issue of Deepak's mother Nadira, not being able to visit him but able to visit Satish.

Through all the little pieces we get, I found that to really be interesting.


No visitor except for minors....Deepak is 21 so she can't see him. Mr. Green


Diva, Satish is 18, not a minor.


:SCRATCHES HEAD: OK, Sorry Its Joran thats 17, DUH too many ppl, too many #'s LMAO sorry
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« Reply #701 on: June 24, 2005, 12:11:49 PM »

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I havent read anywhere hes been charged but is being held under suspicion as the other suspects are. Also I think he appears nervous bc he has alot to lose, his family, job, reputation, freedom. He is a grown man with life exp and knows the implication of being convicted. The other boys are  younger with their lives ahead of them. Maybe not realizing the prison they are in might be their home for a long time if something doesnt happen soon. Makes sense to me why hes nervous.


I think in Joran's sick, demented mind, this gives him street cred amongst his wannabe gangsta friends.


What wannabe gangsta and street cred?

Do I have to sit here, yet again and explain over and over what a misconception that is?

Seriously, take a plane, come to Los Angeles. I will personally drive you around during your visit, through all of southern california because pehaps in "small" town USA (I now realize) you are not accustomed to what most kids these days are into.

::thinking maybe you missed my whole slang and hand sign class in here:::

That is why the forum sometimes breaks out into "homie" etc lol



HEY CALI!!  what up gangsta??? Laughing

FOM...not much homie! Jus tryin to earn some benjis!

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« Reply #702 on: June 24, 2005, 12:12:01 PM »

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I was not surprised by the arrest of PVDS yesterday, and feel it was long overdue. Here's what I am expecting to happen today. I expect Aruban authorities to confiscate the one or two vehicles of the VDS family. As far as I know, neither of them have been checked yet for trace evidence. Am I correct in that assumption?[/quote

In the interview with Anita, she told what was taken from their home. I am sure she said two cars.
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« Reply #703 on: June 24, 2005, 12:12:27 PM »

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just shut up!  {{{edit:  Rob.. others have a right to their opinion, please don't abuse your fellow posters. Thank you! The Zoo Keeper}}}


i m getting sick and tired of ppl saying crap they have no sense saying.. there has not been one shred of evidence that natalee was a"loose" person.. NOT ONE... natalee is the VICTIM.....with ppl like this its no wonder ppl like m. jackson., O.J, Kobe, and a hell of allotta of others walk....placing blame on natalee is reprehensible.....you ppl should know better....i ve had enough of it already....[/quote]

ROB i agree with you...it's hard to stay on track enough as it is without question that imply that this is the fault of NH.... I'm glad you are getting a vacation...in some ways I think you'd relax more on an island that you weren't so over-familiar with... You leave tomorrow rihjt??? I hope you have a good break. Exclamation[/quote]

Yes , Natalee is the victim but why would it matter if she was "loose" or not, sounds very sexist to me.
I believe Natalee went willingly, Joran was a cute kid. I would have done the same thing myself.
My goodness she was 18.
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« Reply #704 on: June 24, 2005, 12:12:30 PM »

I left for a few minutes and returned to find that Scared Monkeys is at capacity and it's hard to log on--is there some breaking news I need to be filled in on?
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« Reply #705 on: June 24, 2005, 12:12:45 PM »

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I am curious why no one brings up the issue of Deepak's mother Nadira, not being able to visit him but able to visit Satish.

Through all the little pieces we get, I found that to really be interesting.


No visitor except for minors....Deepak is 21 so she can't see him. Mr. Green


Diva, Satish is 18, not a minor.


:SCRATCHES HEAD: OK, Sorry Its Joran thats 17, DUH too many ppl, too many #'s LMAO sorry


ROFLMAO ::giving Diva a back rub::::
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« Reply #706 on: June 24, 2005, 12:14:07 PM »

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I havent read anywhere hes been charged but is being held under suspicion as the other suspects are. Also I think he appears nervous bc he has alot to lose, his family, job, reputation, freedom. He is a grown man with life exp and knows the implication of being convicted. The other boys are  younger with their lives ahead of them. Maybe not realizing the prison they are in might be their home for a long time if something doesnt happen soon. Makes sense to me why hes nervous.


I think in Joran's sick, demented mind, this gives him street cred amongst his wannabe gangsta friends.


What wannabe gangsta and street cred?

Do I have to sit here, yet again and explain over and over what a misconception that is?

Seriously, take a plane, come to Los Angeles. I will personally drive you around during your visit, through all of southern california because pehaps in "small" town USA (I now realize) you are not accustomed to what most kids these days are into.

::thinking maybe you missed my whole slang and hand sign class in here:::

That is why the forum sometimes breaks out into "homie" etc lol


I've never experienced 'small town' USA in 34 years.  I've lived in NY, DC and Miami my whole life, and I've travelled the Caribbean extensively.  

The key word to my comment was 'WANNABE'.  He's no more a gangsta than Da Ali G.  I don't think Joran, Deepak and Satish are literally driving in their low rider with their glocks, waiting to pop a cap in someone's ass.

I do, however, firmly believe that Joran is of the mindset that his softened image as the ex-pat kid of a Dutch judge gets hardened by his misogynistic ways.  His playa status most certainly earns him street cred within the Aruban community.
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« Reply #707 on: June 24, 2005, 12:14:11 PM »

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I was not surprised by the arrest of PVDS yesterday, and feel it was long overdue. Here's what I am expecting to happen today. I expect Aruban authorities to confiscate the one or two vehicles of the VDS family. As far as I know, neither of them have been checked yet for trace evidence. Am I correct in that assumption?


AVDS yesterday said they took 2 of their cars a few days ago when they searched the home, and the LE still have them.


Well, then maybe one of these vehicles contained trace evidence that indicated that Natalee was IN one of those vehicles. How long does it take for DNA testing?
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« Reply #708 on: June 24, 2005, 12:14:17 PM »

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well Peeps, here is my two cents for the day and then I have to be good and work, and leave this sad story until Greta at 10:00 pm tonight

I was watching re runs of the Fox coverage late last night and something the editor of Diario said is making me think this story is running in a more heinous direction, I had a "ah ha" moment

Josee said to Alan Colmes that the reason they hauled in Paul is that there are large contradictions between Joran's and Paul's story, he put it, there is something very wrong going on between the father and the son

now add to this the statement by Ms. Croes, our favourite spokesperson that Mr. VDS is a suspect in the disappearance not the cover up

add to this it's been verified that Joran now admits he was alone with Natalee on that beach

which is what the Kalpoe brothers have been saying for quite some time now, add to this you have Joran saying Deepak picked him up then Satish picked him up, come on, surely you can remember which brother picked you up, and if the father is involved it explains why Joran keeps changing his story

add to this some curious things spoken by Beth and Jug - Beth has been reported to have said she suspected Paul even before she met him, now I am assuming she means that night of May 31st and I believe that what happened was that Beth and Jug were at the Holiday Inn Casino getting information, and I believe they viewed or certainly have since viewed the casino videotape and I think Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino the same time as Joran AND Natalee

I think Mrs. VDS's story that her husband was sound asleep after he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00 pm are all lies - she's been told lies by her husband and son

I think Mr. VDS was the one Joran called for help

I think Mr. VDS made up the alibi and either he and/or Joran were somehow able to get the boys on side

don't forget, the Kalpoe boys may have not been told exactly what happened and you tend to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, and given who Joran's dad is, they also may have figured he knows what he is talking about, because I hear they admit they gave Joran cover, they are young, you make stupid judgments at that age

the only thing is I don't know where to fit in Croes per se, I find it interesting that even Jug and Beth are confused as where he fits in and they clearly have more information than we do and they've been on the mark on other areas

I also have to wonder if they have forensic results back that they are not disclosing

now I may just be proven wrong on the brothers, they will be in enough trouble for providing the false alibi
 VERY INTERESTING CANCON


Soory but catching up........

This post from way back has a possible place in this theory.

mehill10 Location: Gardendale,AL    Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:45 pm        
 
i saw this on riehl world view Posted on "The Troubling Puzzle" blog:

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I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared. I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant. Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious....... Posted by: samthebam | June 19, 2005 03:35 PM
interesting might explain why dad is being questioned

My question is: Could it have been Steve Croes who saw him (how would anyone from MB on the trip know him?) and provided this info to someone fromMG who was down ther searching?
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« Reply #709 on: June 24, 2005, 12:14:52 PM »

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ROB...being part decap is sure a sign to all...how "bout being left for dead in an old GOVERNMENT cemetary???


I find it interesting that the partially decapitated body was found on the Saturday that Paul Van der Sloot was first being questioned by LE.  I didn't know it was a government cemetery, but if that's the case then IMO that could make the coincidence of dates even more significant.

I'm still not sure what, if any, significance that body has to the NH case.  It will be interesting to get the scoop on PVDS once things in this case have been solidified one way or the other.  I imagine if PVDS is a corrupt official on the take, that point will come to light in all of this investigation.


 Question Maybe this guy was about to turn on Paulus?  To try to save Natalie??
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« Reply #710 on: June 24, 2005, 12:15:43 PM »

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Actually, it is impossible (at least in the US). The prosecution must first prove that a murder has been committed. If there is no body and no evidence that conclusivly indicates that someone is indeed dead, then there can be no mudrer charge.


I'm not an attorney, but watched coverage of the Scott Peterson case.  Before Laci's body was even found, many criminal attorneys stated that he could be found guilty without it.



   In the United States, at least, it is possible to prosecute for murder without a body. This happened a little over 20 years ago in Massachusetts. William Douglas was tried for the murder of Robin Benedict. Robin's corpse was never located, but physical evidence (brain tissue and blood) was located in Douglas's car and home. At the last minute, Douglas copped a plea. But the point is, the state was able to make a case against him. It is a pretty unusual circumstance, though, and I don't know how Dutch/Aruban law would apply here.
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« Reply #711 on: June 24, 2005, 12:15:57 PM »

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Actually, it is impossible (at least in the US). The prosecution must first prove that a murder has been committed. If there is no body and no evidence that conclusivly indicates that someone is indeed dead, then there can be no mudrer charge.


I'm not an attorney, but watched coverage of the Scott Peterson case.  Before Laci's body was even found, many criminal attorneys stated that he could be found guilty without it.


You are indeed correct. Modesto was already in the process of getting an arrest warrant for Snott. They had enogh evidence already. Then came the bodies washing up, this was confirmed in Catherine Criers book on the case, as well as the People mag interview w/ the prosecutors, detectives etc. They had enogh w/o the body...

I know Laci's case up, down, backwards & fowards
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« Reply #712 on: June 24, 2005, 12:16:11 PM »

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Gerben, i have a question for you - a bit muddled perhaps but here goes:

if there is no body or forensic evidence
if there is nothing really in the way of emails, SMS or other communication that implicates any of the suspects
is there any likelihood that there will be no one charged, the suspects will all be released and the investigation will fail?

could we possibly looking at a scenario where this does not get resolved?


Yes, that is possible. That's why the police are quite intense, AVS called it even extreme, in their interrogations. A confession is a good thing to start from if you are the prosecutor in this case. However a confession is not needed in court if there is enough evidence that ties the suspect to the crime. No evidence and no confession basically means that you are innocent.
That's why maybe, and I am speculating here, Jorans father advised Joran not to say anything because a 'confession', even if he is innocent is basically enough te get you in jail.
There are failsaves for this in the dutch justicesystem, so any judge in this case will demand more from the prosecution than a confession.


Are you saying, for all intents and purposes, that it is impossible to get a conviction based strictly on circumstantial evidence?


Well, almost. No evidence and no confession makes it very hard to prove that someone did the things he did.  That's why the investigation takes so much time. It's casebuilding before anyone is officially charged.

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« Reply #713 on: June 24, 2005, 12:16:32 PM »

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I was not surprised by the arrest of PVDS yesterday, and feel it was long overdue. Here's what I am expecting to happen today. I expect Aruban authorities to confiscate the one or two vehicles of the VDS family. As far as I know, neither of them have been checked yet for trace evidence. Am I correct in that assumption?


AVDS yesterday said they took 2 of their cars a few days ago when they searched the home, and the LE still have them.


Well, then maybe one of these vehicles contained trace evidence that indicated that Natalee was IN one of those vehicles. How long does it take for DNA testing?


dna testing, if the case is high profile, it could be only hours....
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« Reply #714 on: June 24, 2005, 12:17:05 PM »

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Can you tell us more about the reported "premeditated murder" charge?  What does this mean?  Does it rule out an accidental death or overdose?
So glad you decided to join us...we have sooooo many questions.

Thanks
~Nancy


If a drug was slipped into NH's drink, that alone could constitute premediation.


OR IS IT PREMEDICATION?


Speaking of medication.. did anyone ever find out what meds NH had in her bag???  This was asked yesterday sometime I think.. never did see an answer..!! Thanks!
 

ANGIE:  YOU JUST WONT LET GO OF THAT ONE!  it is a very relevant question and i have not seen an answer.  pls continue to keep asking as we have serious adhd on here with all that is coming at us.  not even a chance to read back!


Sorry..and thanks...didnt mean to bring that subject up again
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« Reply #715 on: June 24, 2005, 12:17:24 PM »

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Greta,
Can you please give us an idea of how far the beach area where Joran said he was with Natalee is to the Van der Sloot home? Is it a short walk, or would one most likely need a ride from the beach to the home? I'm not surprised that [Paul] van der Sloot was arrested. I just pray they get answers now.
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ANSWER: It is at least a few miles... I have driven it many times but we go a different route every time and often get lost!
 

locals tell us too far to walk, maybe two hours.  they don't walk there.    joran has an image to protect.  that's why he goes to mikkie dee for his dad to pick him up (unless he is hiding his casino activities) and doesn't want his classy friends that he still depends on dad for transportation  but somehow the mb kids saw him there. must have already known him huh.    
he probably did not walk home.  probably not enough time  NEWS IS ON FM TOP 95.1
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« Reply #716 on: June 24, 2005, 12:17:26 PM »

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I havent read anywhere hes been charged but is being held under suspicion as the other suspects are. Also I think he appears nervous bc he has alot to lose, his family, job, reputation, freedom. He is a grown man with life exp and knows the implication of being convicted. The other boys are  younger with their lives ahead of them. Maybe not realizing the prison they are in might be their home for a long time if something doesnt happen soon. Makes sense to me why hes nervous.


I think in Joran's sick, demented mind, this gives him street cred amongst his wannabe gangsta friends.


What wannabe gangsta and street cred?

Do I have to sit here, yet again and explain over and over what a misconception that is?

Seriously, take a plane, come to Los Angeles. I will personally drive you around during your visit, through all of southern california because pehaps in "small" town USA (I now realize) you are not accustomed to what most kids these days are into.

::thinking maybe you missed my whole slang and hand sign class in here:::

That is why the forum sometimes breaks out into "homie" etc lol


I've never experienced 'small town' USA in 34 years.  I've lived in NY, DC and Miami my whole life, and I've travelled the Caribbean extensively.  

The key word to my comment was 'WANNABE'.  He's no more a gangsta than Da Ali G.  I don't think Joran, Deepak and Satish are literally driving in their low rider with their glocks, waiting to pop a cap in someone's ass.

I do, however, firmly believe that Joran is of the mindset that his softened image as the ex-pat kid of a Dutch judge gets hardened by his misogynistic ways.  His playa status most certainly earns him street cred within the Aruban community.


I guess his honor roll status really goes along with a "bad" boy.

Sorry Scott, I don't buy it but I do respect your opinion.
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« Reply #717 on: June 24, 2005, 12:17:59 PM »

nancy_drew,

I think we are on the same page. I agree with you about Joran.

I just think the truth needs to come out all together. Drugs, Drinking, sex, kidnapping. Whatever it is. It doesn't matter if they were good kids or bad. Natalee is missing and Joran has information. THE TRUTH!
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« Reply #718 on: June 24, 2005, 12:18:37 PM »

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!
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« Reply #719 on: June 24, 2005, 12:19:27 PM »

RADIO GUY LIKES NAT'S DAD. IS POSITIVE.  DON'T LIKE BETH AND JUG.  THEY LIKED LARRY KING LAST NIGHT AND THAN LARRY FOR IT.
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