RBN #21 - 6/24/05 Wee Hours of The Morning

[sandy]

Something just popped into my mind - somewhere way back it was reported that when Joran went to scholl the next day he spent time in the woods (presumably on the school property or next door) - perhaps the Texas rangers should take their dogs in there.

[iquitos]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

 I THINK THEY WILL NOT CONFESS.

[wwizard]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

I say they clam up out of FEAR.

[heavyheart]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

 I THINK THEY WILL NOT CONFESS.

I think they will burn in HELL!  

[pinemeadows]

Something just popped into my mind - somewhere way back it was reported that when Joran went to scholl the next day he spent time in the woods (presumably on the school property or next door) - perhaps the Texas rangers should take their dogs in there.

Now this is interesting...any idea where you saw this?

[CaliGirl]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

Hmmm.. Diva I dunno.

I think it's something bigger than we can imagine. I am still stuck on what Beth said last or didn't say I guess would be more correct. She knows way more than she can tell us which makes me believe when she uses the word kidnap, she really means it.
If that's the case, I think all these people know who has her and where she is pehaps.

[momto5]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

Ive been thinking and wonder this myself. I hope whatever happens they tell the TRUTH of what they know or dont know. I certainly hope his father doesnt make up something and take the wrap so to speak so his son can go free.

[Rob]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

I say they clam up out of FEAR.

not sure.. with dead ppl turning up all over they may clam up, out of fear....

[roxyluv]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

 I THINK THEY WILL NOT CONFESS.

I think they will burn in HELL!  

I would like to see evidence before I send them there!!

[absolut]

Avatars and sig lines disabled for the afternoon looks like heavy traffic is building.

[PoorPaulaNNJ]

I havent read anywhere hes been charged but is being held under suspicion as the other suspects are. Also I think he appears nervous bc he has alot to lose, his family, job, reputation, freedom. He is a grown man with life exp and knows the implication of being convicted. The other boys are  younger with their lives ahead of them. Maybe not realizing the prison they are in might be their home for a long time if something doesnt happen soon. Makes sense to me why hes nervous.

I think in Joran's sick, demented mind, this gives him street cred amongst his wannabe gangsta friends.

What wannabe gangsta and street cred?




Do I have to sit here, yet again and explain over and over what a misconception that is?

Seriously, take a plane, come to Los Angeles. I will personally drive you around during your visit, through all of southern california because pehaps in "small" town USA (I now realize) you are not accustomed to what most kids these days are into.

::thinking maybe you missed my whole slang and hand sign class in here:::

That is why the forum sometimes breaks out into "homie" etc lol

HEY CALI!!  what up gangsta???

FOM...not much homie! Jus tryin to earn some benjis!

lmao

Cali, Peace, One, Blaze....hahaha

[sandy]

Something just popped into my mind - somewhere way back it was reported that when Joran went to scholl the next day he spent time in the woods (presumably on the school property or next door) - perhaps the Texas rangers should take their dogs in there.

Now this is interesting...any idea where you saw this?

Definitely saw it in here - could never retreive it - was in a passage talking about his behaviour and possibly the visit by the Twitty posse - sorry Holloway posse

[Professor]

well Peeps, here is my two cents for the day and then I have to be good and work, and leave this sad story until Greta at 10:00 pm tonight

I was watching re runs of the Fox coverage late last night and something the editor of Diario said is making me think this story is running in a more heinous direction, I had a "ah ha" moment

Josee said to Alan Colmes that the reason they hauled in Paul is that there are large contradictions between Joran's and Paul's story, he put it, there is something very wrong going on between the father and the son

now add to this the statement by Ms. Croes, our favourite spokesperson that Mr. VDS is a suspect in the disappearance not the cover up

add to this it's been verified that Joran now admits he was alone with Natalee on that beach

which is what the Kalpoe brothers have been saying for quite some time now, add to this you have Joran saying Deepak picked him up then Satish picked him up, come on, surely you can remember which brother picked you up, and if the father is involved it explains why Joran keeps changing his story

add to this some curious things spoken by Beth and Jug - Beth has been reported to have said she suspected Paul even before she met him, now I am assuming she means that night of May 31st and I believe that what happened was that Beth and Jug were at the Holiday Inn Casino getting information, and I believe they viewed or certainly have since viewed the casino videotape and I think Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino the same time as Joran AND Natalee

I think Mrs. VDS's story that her husband was sound asleep after he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00 pm are all lies - she's been told lies by her husband and son

I think Mr. VDS was the one Joran called for help

I think Mr. VDS made up the alibi and either he and/or Joran were somehow able to get the boys on side

don't forget, the Kalpoe boys may have not been told exactly what happened and you tend to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, and given who Joran's dad is, they also may have figured he knows what he is talking about, because I hear they admit they gave Joran cover, they are young, you make stupid judgments at that age

the only thing is I don't know where to fit in Croes per se, I find it interesting that even Jug and Beth are confused as where he fits in and they clearly have more information than we do and they've been on the mark on other areas

I also have to wonder if they have forensic results back that they are not disclosing

now I may just be proven wrong on the brothers, they will be in enough trouble for providing the false alibi

 VERY INTERESTING CANCON

Soory but catching up........

This post from way back has a possible place in this theory.

mehill10 Location: Gardendale,AL    Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:45 pm        
 
i saw this on riehl world view Posted on "The Troubling Puzzle" blog:

I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared. I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant. Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious....... Posted by: samthebam | June 19, 2005 03:35 PM

interesting might explain why dad is being questioned

My question is: Could it have been Steve Croes who saw him (how would anyone from MB on the trip know him?) and provided this info to someone fromMG who was down ther searching?

Interesting. I can't recall if anyone (maybe arubagirl) said that the McDonald's closed at 11pm. Can someone refresh my memory?

[HannieC]

Hi all..  

[DT]

just shut up!  {{{edit:  Rob.. others have a right to their opinion, please don't abuse your fellow posters. Thank you! The Zoo Keeper}}}

i m getting sick and tired of ppl saying crap they have no sense saying.. there has not been one shred of evidence that natalee was a"loose" person.. NOT ONE... natalee is the VICTIM.....with ppl like this its no wonder ppl like m. jackson., O.J, Kobe, and a hell of allotta of others walk....placing blame on natalee is reprehensible.....you ppl should know better....i ve had enough of it already....

ROB i agree with you...it's hard to stay on track enough as it is without question that imply that this is the fault of NH.... I'm glad you are getting a vacation...in some ways I think you'd relax more on an island that you weren't so over-familiar with... You leave tomorrow rihjt??? I hope you have a good break. [/quote]

Yes , Natalee is the victim but why would it matter if she was "loose" or not, sounds very sexist to me.
I believe Natalee went willingly, Joran was a cute kid. I would have done the same thing myself.
My goodness she was 18.[/quote]

It doesn't matter, but Rob, myself, and others feel like that it is an unfounded attack on the victim, since their is no evidence she acted like that.

[CaliGirl]

Avatars and sig lines disabled for the afternoon looks like heavy traffic is building.

Thanks absolut!

Is it gonna be "bumper to bumper"? hee hee

[golden]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

NEVER!

[Onnimus]

QUESTION TO ALL MY MONKEY SLEUTHS

Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!

They will both keep quiet, thinking that she will never be found and they will walk, no evidence (THEY think). I think something will come up that WILL bust them.

edited for typo!

[pinemeadows]

I think it's something bigger than we can imagine. I am still stuck on what Beth said last or didn't say I guess would be more correct. She knows way more than she can tell us which makes me believe when she uses the word kidnap, she really means it.
If that's the case, I think all these people know who has her and where she is pehaps.

Cali - This seems very likely...and would explain why pops just radiates fear...he fears for his life more than he fears being charged????  That also explains why lots of folks involved in this say there will be more arrests.

Ruben on Fox now - operating under assumption NH is still alive.

[SunnyinTX]

I also watched the interview with the brother's Mom last night and I got the impression she knows about as much of her sons' actions as Mrs. VDS knows about Joren's...next to nothing.  Young men do not (normally) confide their actions to their Moms.....mine sure didn't....not until they were MUCH older and only then did they CONFESS!   to sneaking girls in the house, sneaking outta the gouse, taking the car, ....... The statement that Nalalee didn't say ONE word to them, does not IMO sound like the Natalee we have heard about and come to love......something is just NOT ringing true here for me anyway.  

I just feel that they (the brothers) KNOW what happened......the story about just covering for Joren has, IMO, worn thin.....I asked my sons IF this happened to them....would they have held to this cover up story.....each said NO WAY, UNLESS they were more deeply involved and then they would be covering their own behinds as well as Joren's  These brothers are not sitting in prison because they finally told the truth...I  feel the LE have something on on them...more than just covering for a friend.

I admore Beth and her family...but her statement last night about 'knowing' that Natalee was kidnapped has gnawed at me...and her hope that they didn't rape or kill her....can't put my finger on why exactly this gnaws away...but it does....anyone else have a feeling about those statements?

Hopefully the truth will come out and Beth can take Natalee home...and those that harmed her and those that particiapted in any way will be punished to the fillest extent of the law.

Thanks