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« Reply #740 on: June 24, 2005, 12:25:50 PM »

thanx DT.. i know of atleast two mcdonalds.. maybe three...
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« Reply #741 on: June 24, 2005, 12:25:56 PM »

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« Reply #742 on: June 24, 2005, 12:26:31 PM »

Did I hear that right??? A "spokesman for the Aruban government" thinks Natalee is still alive??? on Fox News, just now???   Question
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« Reply #743 on: June 24, 2005, 12:26:34 PM »

Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1am.
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« Reply #744 on: June 24, 2005, 12:26:44 PM »

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Interesting. I can't recall if anyone (maybe arubagirl) said that the McDonald's closed at 11pm. Can someone refresh my memory?

Arubagirl said that McDonalds closes at 1:00am.
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« Reply #745 on: June 24, 2005, 12:26:46 PM »

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Speaking of medication.. did anyone ever find out what meds NH had in her bag???  This was asked yesterday sometime I think.. never did see an answer..!! Thanks!
 

ANGIE:  YOU JUST WONT LET GO OF THAT ONE!  it is a very relevant question and i have not seen an answer.  pls continue to keep asking as we have serious adhd on here with all that is coming at us.  not even a chance to read back!


I have seen this question asked five times on here and it has probably been asked a few times that I missed. I have never seen anyone answer. This makes me curious...Where did the original idea that she had medication came from? It also makes me curious if she did indeed have medication, why is nobody answering the question or discussing it?
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« Reply #746 on: June 24, 2005, 12:26:46 PM »

If the police discover contradiction in a person's story then they probably assume they are lying.  If they tell one of the suspects that another suspect has said something different and then he changes his story, then obviously the first story was a lie.  If they have caught all 5 people arrested telling lies, they may think they were accomplices to the crime, because why else would they lie and continue to sit in jail?  If they lied about several stories, then perhaps they never took her to the beach.  Or perhaps they really did take her to the lighthouse and pushed her off.  Or perhaps they took her to Croes for drugs.  In any case, I'm sure Joran's dad told him to deny, deny, deny because of his age he will not receive much punishment especially without a body.  I think they are trying to break someone into telling what happened.  I do not think Joran will ever admit what he did on his own.  And I do not think the others will tell on him unless they are given immunity.  Of course how can anyone believe any of them?  Perhaps Joran will tell the truth if he thinks his dad has been arrested and will be prosecuted for Joran's crime.  Maybe the police are using the dad to force Joran to confess.  But if Joran does confess will he tell the truth or will he let his friends off even if they assisted.  I doubt they left her on the beach.  They would not tell where they left her because that would be where everyone would search, so I think they took her somewhere else.  Maybe to the Tattoo with Croes.  The security guard for Tattoo may be a friend with Croes and involved also.  Was the Tattoo for sale before Natalee was missing?
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« Reply #747 on: June 24, 2005, 12:26:54 PM »

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Something just popped into my mind - somewhere way back it was reported that when Joran went to scholl the next day he spent time in the woods (presumably on the school property or next door) - perhaps the Texas rangers should take their dogs in there.


Yeah, he went to school and then during recess he went into the woods, pulled Natalee out of his pocket and buried her.
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« Reply #748 on: June 24, 2005, 12:27:19 PM »

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Can you tell us more about the reported "premeditated murder" charge?  What does this mean?  Does it rule out an accidental death or overdose?
So glad you decided to join us...we have sooooo many questions.

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If a drug was slipped into NH's drink, that alone could constitute premediation.


OR IS IT PREMEDICATION?


That should read premeditation.  Unfortunately, it seems Joran didn't leave any room for mediation.
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« Reply #749 on: June 24, 2005, 12:27:24 PM »

McDonalds wouldn't have to have been open for J's dad to pick him up there.
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« Reply #750 on: June 24, 2005, 12:27:34 PM »

Remember all the early speculation about a Skakelesque cover-up by the "well-connected, influential" van der Sloops and Kalpoes (both families relative newcomers to Aruba, and from all appearances only upper-middle class)?

They may be no more than incidental witnesses, but it looks to me like the Croes and Arends families (and wasn't Solognier the name of the uncle by marriage who spoke briefly with Greta VS last night?) have deeper roots in the community, and may well belong to the island's upper crust. Or not. But FYI:

http://www.arubalions.org/Member%20Area/member_roster_2004-2005.htm
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« Reply #751 on: June 24, 2005, 12:27:40 PM »

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well Peeps, here is my two cents for the day and then I have to be good and work, and leave this sad story until Greta at 10:00 pm tonight

I was watching re runs of the Fox coverage late last night and something the editor of Diario said is making me think this story is running in a more heinous direction, I had a "ah ha" moment

Josee said to Alan Colmes that the reason they hauled in Paul is that there are large contradictions between Joran's and Paul's story, he put it, there is something very wrong going on between the father and the son

now add to this the statement by Ms. Croes, our favourite spokesperson that Mr. VDS is a suspect in the disappearance not the cover up

add to this it's been verified that Joran now admits he was alone with Natalee on that beach

which is what the Kalpoe brothers have been saying for quite some time now, add to this you have Joran saying Deepak picked him up then Satish picked him up, come on, surely you can remember which brother picked you up, and if the father is involved it explains why Joran keeps changing his story

add to this some curious things spoken by Beth and Jug - Beth has been reported to have said she suspected Paul even before she met him, now I am assuming she means that night of May 31st and I believe that what happened was that Beth and Jug were at the Holiday Inn Casino getting information, and I believe they viewed or certainly have since viewed the casino videotape and I think Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino the same time as Joran AND Natalee

I think Mrs. VDS's story that her husband was sound asleep after he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00 pm are all lies - she's been told lies by her husband and son

I think Mr. VDS was the one Joran called for help

I think Mr. VDS made up the alibi and either he and/or Joran were somehow able to get the boys on side

don't forget, the Kalpoe boys may have not been told exactly what happened and you tend to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, and given who Joran's dad is, they also may have figured he knows what he is talking about, because I hear they admit they gave Joran cover, they are young, you make stupid judgments at that age

the only thing is I don't know where to fit in Croes per se, I find it interesting that even Jug and Beth are confused as where he fits in and they clearly have more information than we do and they've been on the mark on other areas

I also have to wonder if they have forensic results back that they are not disclosing

now I may just be proven wrong on the brothers, they will be in enough trouble for providing the false alibi
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This post from way back has a possible place in this theory.

mehill10 Location: Gardendale,AL    Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:45 pm        
 
i saw this on riehl world view Posted on "The Troubling Puzzle" blog:

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I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared. I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant. Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious....... Posted by: samthebam | June 19, 2005 03:35 PM
interesting might explain why dad is being questioned

My question is: Could it have been Steve Croes who saw him (how would anyone from MB on the trip know him?) and provided this info to someone fromMG who was down ther searching?


Interesting. I can't recall if anyone (maybe arubagirl) said that the McDonald's closed at 11pm. Can someone refresh my memory?


I recall her saying the samething professor.. that McDonalds closes at 11...!!  Also IF he was at McDonalds was it ever proven he was inside?? Maybe he was out in the parking lot at 3 am??  Just a thought
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« Reply #752 on: June 24, 2005, 12:27:49 PM »

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well Peeps, here is my two cents for the day and then I have to be good and work, and leave this sad story until Greta at 10:00 pm tonight

I was watching re runs of the Fox coverage late last night and something the editor of Diario said is making me think this story is running in a more heinous direction, I had a "ah ha" moment

Josee said to Alan Colmes that the reason they hauled in Paul is that there are large contradictions between Joran's and Paul's story, he put it, there is something very wrong going on between the father and the son

now add to this the statement by Ms. Croes, our favourite spokesperson that Mr. VDS is a suspect in the disappearance not the cover up

add to this it's been verified that Joran now admits he was alone with Natalee on that beach

which is what the Kalpoe brothers have been saying for quite some time now, add to this you have Joran saying Deepak picked him up then Satish picked him up, come on, surely you can remember which brother picked you up, and if the father is involved it explains why Joran keeps changing his story

add to this some curious things spoken by Beth and Jug - Beth has been reported to have said she suspected Paul even before she met him, now I am assuming she means that night of May 31st and I believe that what happened was that Beth and Jug were at the Holiday Inn Casino getting information, and I believe they viewed or certainly have since viewed the casino videotape and I think Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino the same time as Joran AND Natalee

I think Mrs. VDS's story that her husband was sound asleep after he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00 pm are all lies - she's been told lies by her husband and son

I think Mr. VDS was the one Joran called for help

I think Mr. VDS made up the alibi and either he and/or Joran were somehow able to get the boys on side

don't forget, the Kalpoe boys may have not been told exactly what happened and you tend to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, and given who Joran's dad is, they also may have figured he knows what he is talking about, because I hear they admit they gave Joran cover, they are young, you make stupid judgments at that age

the only thing is I don't know where to fit in Croes per se, I find it interesting that even Jug and Beth are confused as where he fits in and they clearly have more information than we do and they've been on the mark on other areas

I also have to wonder if they have forensic results back that they are not disclosing

now I may just be proven wrong on the brothers, they will be in enough trouble for providing the false alibi
 VERY INTERESTING CANCON


Soory but catching up........

This post from way back has a possible place in this theory.

mehill10 Location: Gardendale,AL    Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:45 pm        
 
i saw this on riehl world view Posted on "The Troubling Puzzle" blog:

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I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared. I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant. Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious....... Posted by: samthebam | June 19, 2005 03:35 PM
interesting might explain why dad is being questioned

My question is: Could it have been Steve Croes who saw him (how would anyone from MB on the trip know him?) and provided this info to someone fromMG who was down ther searching?



as i recall Steve Croes went to the police the day before he was taken into custody- whether he had been contacted by police or of his volition, i don't remember. i'll see if i can find a link for it.
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« Reply #753 on: June 24, 2005, 12:29:10 PM »

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Actually, it is impossible (at least in the US). The prosecution must first prove that a murder has been committed. If there is no body and no evidence that conclusivly indicates that someone is indeed dead, then there can be no mudrer charge.


I'm not an attorney, but watched coverage of the Scott Peterson case.  Before Laci's body was even found, many criminal attorneys stated that he could be found guilty without it.



   In the United States, at least, it is possible to prosecute for murder without a body. This happened a little over 20 years ago in Massachusetts. William Douglas was tried for the murder of Robin Benedict. Robin's corpse was never located, but physical evidence (brain tissue and blood) was located in Douglas's car and home. At the last minute, Douglas copped a plea. But the point is, the state was able to make a case against him. It is a pretty unusual circumstance, though, and I don't know how Dutch/Aruban law would apply here.


There's one case I know of  in The Netherlands were that also happend. A drugsdealer killed his friend, he was arrested but the body of the victim was never found. However, the judge found him guilty of murder because the dealer bragged about it in a letter he wrote to another pal.
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« Reply #754 on: June 24, 2005, 12:29:39 PM »

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Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!


I say they clam up out of FEAR.


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« Reply #755 on: June 24, 2005, 12:30:02 PM »

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Interesting. I can't recall if anyone (maybe arubagirl) said that the McDonald's closed at 11pm. Can someone refresh my memory?

Arubagirl said that McDonalds closes at 1:00am.


Does it have a drive thru open late?  Or perhaps if PVDS was meeting Joran at McD's, was he seen in the parking lot???
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« Reply #756 on: June 24, 2005, 12:30:06 PM »

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Speaking of medication.. did anyone ever find out what meds NH had in her bag???  This was asked yesterday sometime I think.. never did see an answer..!! Thanks!
 

ANGIE:  YOU JUST WONT LET GO OF THAT ONE!  it is a very relevant question and i have not seen an answer.  pls continue to keep asking as we have serious adhd on here with all that is coming at us.  not even a chance to read back!


I have seen this question asked five times on here and it has probably been asked a few times that I missed. I have never seen anyone answer. This makes me curious...Where did the original idea that she had medication came from? It also makes me curious if she did indeed have medication, why is nobody answering the question or discussing it?


I believe in the first Greta beth interveiw Beth said the medication was in her bag. No one has ever said what the medication is.
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« Reply #757 on: June 24, 2005, 12:30:21 PM »

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I also watched the interview with the brother's Mom last night and I got the impression she knows about as much of her sons' actions as Mrs. VDS knows about Joren's...next to nothing.  Young men do not (normally) confide their actions to their Moms.....mine sure didn't....not until they were MUCH older and only then did they CONFESS!   to sneaking girls in the house, sneaking outta the gouse, taking the car, ....... The statement that Nalalee didn't say ONE word to them, does not IMO sound like the Natalee we have heard about and come to love......something is just NOT ringing true here for me anyway.  

I just feel that they (the brothers) KNOW what happened......the story about just covering for Joren has, IMO, worn thin.....I asked my sons IF this happened to them....would they have held to this cover up story.....each said NO WAY, UNLESS they were more deeply involved and then they would be covering their own behinds as well as Joren's  These brothers are not sitting in prison because they finally told the truth...I  feel the LE have something on on them...more than just covering for a friend.

I admore Beth and her family...but her statement last night about 'knowing' that Natalee was kidnapped has gnawed at me...and her hope that they didn't rape or kill her....can't put my finger on why exactly this gnaws away...but it does....anyone else have a feeling about those statements?

Hopefully the truth will come out and Beth can take Natalee home...and those that harmed her and those that particiapted in any way will be punished to the fillest extent of the law.

Thanks

I can believe that, the two boys are covering their butt, their mother is no fool if she listens to the media , they know everybody wants to blame Joran.
If one is ivolved , they all are, IMO
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« Reply #758 on: June 24, 2005, 12:30:59 PM »

Sorry  meant to write Arubagirl did say McDOnalds closed at 1 and not 11.. slip of the keyboard..Couldnt edit it fast enough
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« Reply #759 on: June 24, 2005, 12:31:21 PM »

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