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« Reply #760 on: June 24, 2005, 12:31:24 PM »

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Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1am.


Well, if Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1 am, then why should we even BELIEVE that PVDS was seen there at 3 am?
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« Reply #761 on: June 24, 2005, 12:31:42 PM »

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Actually, it is impossible (at least in the US). The prosecution must first prove that a murder has been committed. If there is no body and no evidence that conclusivly indicates that someone is indeed dead, then there can be no mudrer charge.


I'm not an attorney, but watched coverage of the Scott Peterson case.  Before Laci's body was even found, many criminal attorneys stated that he could be found guilty without it.


You are indeed correct. Modesto was already in the process of getting an arrest warrant for Snott. They had enogh evidence already. Then came the bodies washing up, this was confirmed in Catherine Criers book on the case, as well as the People mag interview w/ the prosecutors, detectives etc. They had enogh w/o the body...

I know Laci's case up, down, backwards & fowards


You can also look up the case of Carrie Culberson.  No body was ever found and no physical evidence that she was dead.  There were even people who testified at trial that they had seen the missing woman.  But the jury believed from circumstancial evidence that her boyfriend had murdered her and he is sitting in prison as we speak.  He still claims that Carrie ran away.
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« Reply #762 on: June 24, 2005, 12:31:49 PM »

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Something just popped into my mind - somewhere way back it was reported that when Joran went to scholl the next day he spent time in the woods (presumably on the school property or next door) - perhaps the Texas rangers should take their dogs in there.


Yeah, he went to school and then during recess he went into the woods, pulled Natalee out of his pocket and buried her.


No, I'm thinking he left Natalee home in his sock drawer {rolling my eyes} but had something of hers with him that he conveniently discarded
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« Reply #763 on: June 24, 2005, 12:32:16 PM »

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well Peeps, here is my two cents for the day and then I have to be good and work, and leave this sad story until Greta at 10:00 pm tonight

I was watching re runs of the Fox coverage late last night and something the editor of Diario said is making me think this story is running in a more heinous direction, I had a "ah ha" moment

Josee said to Alan Colmes that the reason they hauled in Paul is that there are large contradictions between Joran's and Paul's story, he put it, there is something very wrong going on between the father and the son

now add to this the statement by Ms. Croes, our favourite spokesperson that Mr. VDS is a suspect in the disappearance not the cover up

add to this it's been verified that Joran now admits he was alone with Natalee on that beach

which is what the Kalpoe brothers have been saying for quite some time now, add to this you have Joran saying Deepak picked him up then Satish picked him up, come on, surely you can remember which brother picked you up, and if the father is involved it explains why Joran keeps changing his story

add to this some curious things spoken by Beth and Jug - Beth has been reported to have said she suspected Paul even before she met him, now I am assuming she means that night of May 31st and I believe that what happened was that Beth and Jug were at the Holiday Inn Casino getting information, and I believe they viewed or certainly have since viewed the casino videotape and I think Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino the same time as Joran AND Natalee

I think Mrs. VDS's story that her husband was sound asleep after he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00 pm are all lies - she's been told lies by her husband and son

I think Mr. VDS was the one Joran called for help

I think Mr. VDS made up the alibi and either he and/or Joran were somehow able to get the boys on side

don't forget, the Kalpoe boys may have not been told exactly what happened and you tend to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, and given who Joran's dad is, they also may have figured he knows what he is talking about, because I hear they admit they gave Joran cover, they are young, you make stupid judgments at that age

the only thing is I don't know where to fit in Croes per se, I find it interesting that even Jug and Beth are confused as where he fits in and they clearly have more information than we do and they've been on the mark on other areas

I also have to wonder if they have forensic results back that they are not disclosing

now I may just be proven wrong on the brothers, they will be in enough trouble for providing the false alibi
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Soory but catching up........

This post from way back has a possible place in this theory.

mehill10 Location: Gardendale,AL    Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:45 pm        
 
i saw this on riehl world view Posted on "The Troubling Puzzle" blog:

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I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared. I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant. Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious....... Posted by: samthebam | June 19, 2005 03:35 PM
interesting might explain why dad is being questioned

My question is: Could it have been Steve Croes who saw him (how would anyone from MB on the trip know him?) and provided this info to someone fromMG who was down ther searching?



as i recall Steve Croes went to the police the day before he was taken into custody- whether he had been contacted by police or of his volition, i don't remember. i'll see if i can find a link for it.


Is there a chance this might fit in the building theory? What about report on Riehl that a fisherman's hut broken into, taken was ropes, tape, and an anchor????
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« Reply #764 on: June 24, 2005, 12:32:52 PM »

maybe natalee didn't say anything to the 2 brothers(as mother kalpoe stated) because she was drugged up or under a non-alcohol influence..........perhaps joren was having a good time and natalee thought he was nice, she had a drink w/him.......then he slipped her some kinda drug.........he then calls the kalpoe brothers and says he needs a lift ASAP because he knows the drug effects will soon set in, so while she is coherent he wants to get her out of c&c's...........by the time she is in the car she waves goodbye to her friends and also seems fine...then shortly after she starts to fade from the drugs, hence the lack of conversation
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« Reply #765 on: June 24, 2005, 12:34:01 PM »

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Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1am.


Well, if Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1 am, then why should we even BELIEVE that PVDS was seen there at 3 am?


Maybe he was out in the parking lot??
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« Reply #766 on: June 24, 2005, 12:34:02 PM »

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Sorry  meant to write Arubagirl did say McDOnalds closed at 1 and not 11.. slip of the keyboard..Couldnt edit it fast enough


what were MB students who saw Paulus
doing by mc D's @ 3:30 am if it is closed...
also there are 3 mcdonalds on island i think aruba girl said.

sorry..i am probably confused.  per usual.
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« Reply #767 on: June 24, 2005, 12:34:09 PM »

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Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1am.


Well, if Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1 am, then why should we even BELIEVE that PVDS was seen there at 3 am?

I believe the implication would be that he was up to no good having no reason to be at mcdonalds at 3am. I also dont think this story has been verified at all. You know if you play telephone long enough times tend to change. We know he already admitted to being at mcdonalds at 11, maybe with the rumor mill floating around it somehow changed to 3am. Who knows, maybe its true and their drive thru is 24/7 like ours and he wanted a cheeseburger.
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« Reply #768 on: June 24, 2005, 12:34:54 PM »

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I think it's something bigger than we can imagine. I am still stuck on what Beth said last or didn't say I guess would be more correct. She knows way more than she can tell us which makes me believe when she uses the word kidnap, she really means it.
If that's the case, I think all these people know who has her and where she is pehaps.


Cali - This seems very likely...and would explain why pops just radiates fear...he fears for his life more than he fears being charged????  That also explains why lots of folks involved in this say there will be more arrests.

Ruben on Fox now - operating under assumption NH is still alive.


See, I don't know if it's just that because of where I live, no thought or idea of that is so "out there". Bodies here, disappear more than reported and they actually go unreported for a very good reason.

I don't know how jail time works there, but I do one thing, you get killed for being a rat. They threaten your you with your family, etc etc.

All I know is Natalee's missing. I do not believe her dead because even if the whole entire Molly Maid Corporation came to clean up the scene, they can still find trace amounts of blood etc etc.

I just really think, as Beth has stated, they are the key to finding her daughter. I tend to read into her words since she can not comment but I have said before, Beth chooses her words VERY CAREFULLY. Almost, like speaking in code.

They all know something but a matter of why they won't talk. At any time, ONE person could pin this on anyone and sing to save their butt, since that hasn't been the case..there seem to be some really good higher force to make them shut up.
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« Reply #769 on: June 24, 2005, 12:35:13 PM »

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well Peeps, here is my two cents for the day and then I have to be good and work, and leave this sad story until Greta at 10:00 pm tonight

I was watching re runs of the Fox coverage late last night and something the editor of Diario said is making me think this story is running in a more heinous direction, I had a "ah ha" moment

Josee said to Alan Colmes that the reason they hauled in Paul is that there are large contradictions between Joran's and Paul's story, he put it, there is something very wrong going on between the father and the son

now add to this the statement by Ms. Croes, our favourite spokesperson that Mr. VDS is a suspect in the disappearance not the cover up

add to this it's been verified that Joran now admits he was alone with Natalee on that beach

which is what the Kalpoe brothers have been saying for quite some time now, add to this you have Joran saying Deepak picked him up then Satish picked him up, come on, surely you can remember which brother picked you up, and if the father is involved it explains why Joran keeps changing his story

add to this some curious things spoken by Beth and Jug - Beth has been reported to have said she suspected Paul even before she met him, now I am assuming she means that night of May 31st and I believe that what happened was that Beth and Jug were at the Holiday Inn Casino getting information, and I believe they viewed or certainly have since viewed the casino videotape and I think Mr. VDS was at the Holiday Inn Casino the same time as Joran AND Natalee

I think Mrs. VDS's story that her husband was sound asleep after he picked up Joran at McDonalds at 11:00 pm are all lies - she's been told lies by her husband and son

I think Mr. VDS was the one Joran called for help

I think Mr. VDS made up the alibi and either he and/or Joran were somehow able to get the boys on side

don't forget, the Kalpoe boys may have not been told exactly what happened and you tend to give your friend the benefit of the doubt, and given who Joran's dad is, they also may have figured he knows what he is talking about, because I hear they admit they gave Joran cover, they are young, you make stupid judgments at that age

the only thing is I don't know where to fit in Croes per se, I find it interesting that even Jug and Beth are confused as where he fits in and they clearly have more information than we do and they've been on the mark on other areas

I also have to wonder if they have forensic results back that they are not disclosing

now I may just be proven wrong on the brothers, they will be in enough trouble for providing the false alibi
 VERY INTERESTING CANCON


Soory but catching up........

This post from way back has a possible place in this theory.

mehill10 Location: Gardendale,AL    Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:45 pm        
 
i saw this on riehl world view Posted on "The Troubling Puzzle" blog:

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I'm in Mountain Brook and from the people who have recently returned from Aruba is that Van der Sloot's dad was seen at a McDonald's at 3 a.m. the night Natalee disappeared. I don't think this has been reported in the mainstream media so hopefully this will help those of of you who are following this closely. This is my first post here and I'm posting something I think all of you might find significant. Natalee goes missing at about 1 to 1:30 a.m. and the Van der Sloot's dad is seen at a McDonalds at 3a.m. I assume the dad has a job and would have to be at work the next day. There to me it is very suspicious....... Posted by: samthebam | June 19, 2005 03:35 PM
interesting might explain why dad is being questioned

My question is: Could it have been Steve Croes who saw him (how would anyone from MB on the trip know him?) and provided this info to someone fromMG who was down ther searching?



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,159862,00.html

Croes, who works as a party boat disk jockey, said he was contacted by police Thursday night and went to the station voluntarily to give a statement, said his employer, Marcus Wiggins.
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« Reply #770 on: June 24, 2005, 12:35:20 PM »

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Did I hear that right??? A "spokesman for the Aruban government" thinks Natalee is still alive??? on Fox News, just now???   Question


yes, several from the government have had that story.  They keep saying she ran away and swam to Venezulua.   (scarcasm, of course)

I have heard to many report by Arubans that they have such a fabulous island that so many just run away so they can stay there.
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« Reply #771 on: June 24, 2005, 12:36:17 PM »

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Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1am.


Well, if Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1 am, then why should we even BELIEVE that PVDS was seen there at 3 am?

I believe the implication would be that he was up to no good having no reason to be at mcdonalds at 3am. I also dont think this story has been verified at all. You know if you play telephone long enough times tend to change. We know he already admitted to being at mcdonalds at 11, maybe with the rumor mill floating around it somehow changed to 3am. Who knows, maybe its true and their drive thru is 24/7 like ours and he wanted a cheeseburger.


I AGREE>>>MC"D"S not official/hersay
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« Reply #772 on: June 24, 2005, 12:36:30 PM »

I've also noticed on Riehl, in font that has progressively gotten larger and bolder and now today changed to red......New Content Posts Below.....which is immediately followed by a reward amount that has also gotten progressively larger. Is that a not so subliminal subliminal that people like us wouldn't see, but is seen daily by whom it is actually targeting.  ??????   Anyone else notice that? Or is my conspiracy radar adjusted too finely?
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« Reply #773 on: June 24, 2005, 12:36:33 PM »

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Hello May.  Glad you finally decided to cross over to the "other side".  Post away!!   Very Happy


thanks, dragonfly! with all i have been reading (and reading and reading) and seeing on tv for the last 3 weeks, it has been hard at times not to be able to post!

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« Reply #774 on: June 24, 2005, 12:37:37 PM »

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Will Papa save Joran and confess or will Joran save Papa & confess or will they both keep quiet hoping no body is found...

confess meaning WHATEVER they know, and they KNOW SOMETHING!!


My fear is they will all remain silent and unless Natalee is found they will all walk....I feel so much time passed between the time Natalee went missiang and the time that they finally got around to the forensic aspect of the case...too much was lost.

BTW...some  are referring to Tx Equusearch as cowboys....and they are anything BUT...they are highly trained professionals and take their service seriously....and I pray THEY will find Natalee.

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« Reply #775 on: June 24, 2005, 12:37:43 PM »

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Actually, it is impossible (at least in the US). The prosecution must first prove that a murder has been committed. If there is no body and no evidence that conclusivly indicates that someone is indeed dead, then there can be no mudrer charge.


I'm not an attorney, but watched coverage of the Scott Peterson case.  Before Laci's body was even found, many criminal attorneys stated that he could be found guilty without it.


You are indeed correct. Modesto was already in the process of getting an arrest warrant for Snott. They had enogh evidence already. Then came the bodies washing up, this was confirmed in Catherine Criers book on the case, as well as the People mag interview w/ the prosecutors, detectives etc. They had enogh w/o the body...

I know Laci's case up, down, backwards & fowards


You can also look up the case of Carrie Culberson.  No body was ever found and no physical evidence that she was dead.  There were even people who testified at trial that they had seen the missing woman.  But the jury believed from circumstancial evidence that her boyfriend had murdered her and he is sitting in prison as we speak.  He still claims that Carrie ran away.

Amazing and we can't bring justice for Jessica Lunsford.

::::thinking of moving::: Anyone know the real estate in Iceland? I would think it too cold to commit crime there? lol
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« Reply #776 on: June 24, 2005, 12:37:47 PM »

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Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1am.


Well, if Arubagirl stated that McDonald's closes at 1 am, then why should we even BELIEVE that PVDS was seen there at 3 am?


we shouldn't except there is involvement of mikkie dee. the mb romor does not even have a date.  we think we know joren called his dad to pick him up at mikie dee at 11 on sunday nite  (11 is house rule too).  he had been hanging out at the hotels and may have gone to the concert.   maybe he ate there (mom was not home to cook)
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« Reply #777 on: June 24, 2005, 12:38:19 PM »

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McDonalds wouldn't have to have been open for J's dad to pick him up there.


I would assume that his dad could have picked him up there whether it was closed or not.  May have just been a "meeting" place" as they are saying it was at 11.  If his dad picked him up there at 11 for a ride home, he could have easily done it at 1:00, he just couldn't have picked himself up a Big Mac at the same time.
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« Reply #778 on: June 24, 2005, 12:38:37 PM »

fm top 95.1 aruba
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« Reply #779 on: June 24, 2005, 12:39:03 PM »

I usually just lurk, but something needs to be said. If the main objective here is concern for finding Natalee, then I don't care how they go about it. FOX just reported from the official in Aruba that daddy VDS could be questioned because of contradictory statements made to the media and the police. Well, HELLO, who in the media got an interview with him? So, I say GO GRETA, if that is what tripped him up.
Just my opinion, go ahead, feel free to attack me!
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